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Ghengis John

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pspman45 said:
ew no
get 3 instead
if you have 3, replicate new vegas by changing all the colors to brown, and mod the game to make it boring
Or if you have new vegas you can replicate fallout 3 by turning everything green then hitting yourself in the head with a hammer repeatedly until everyone in the game speaks jabbering nonsense, though by the time you're done doing that you'd probably wind up enjoying fallout 3 more right out of the box anyway.

Champion360 said:
It's only 15$ on steam should i get it?
Yes. It's the perfect compromise between fallout 1 and 2 and fallout 3 in my opinion. Just be sure to patch it (I think patches are mandatory on steam anyhow).

P.S. Legal Disclaimer- I advise no one to actually hit themselves in the head with a hammer, no matter how much it might increase their enjoyment of fallout 3, fireworks or shiny things. Your brain is important. Yes, even yours. It's always there to lend you a hand, by helping you to learn and to think so you can understand.
 

Bassik

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Yes, get it, it is a great game! Hours upon hours of fun, like you haven't seen before the past couple of weeks!
Only downside is that the music in the game is massiveley inferiour to that of fallout 3, but no fear, you can mod it.
Go to the folder with all the mp3's and put them somewhere else, then replace them with mp3's from the Electric Light Orchestra, and suddenly the game becomes perfect.
 

pspman45

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Ghengis John said:
Or if you have new vegas you can replicate fallout 3 by turning everything green then hitting yourself in the head with a hammer repeatedly until everyone in the game speaks jabbering nonsense, though by the time you're done doing that you'd probably wind up enjoying fallout 3 more right out of the box anyway.
NV was too much bleh for me.
Too structured, too many rules, too much civilization. There was no "warzone" area plump full of loot, there was no memorable radio announcer with a cool voice, plus the story felt pretty stupid. I know 3 had BS in the story, but NV has so much of it that it was leaking from it's pores (plus there were no Road Warrior refernces D: )
 

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NV was too much bleh for me.
Too structured, too many rules, too much civilization. There was no "warzone" area plump full of loot, there was no memorable radio announcer with a cool voice, plus the story felt pretty stupid. I know 3 had BS in the story, but NV has so much of it that it was leaking from it's pores (plus there were no Road Warrior refernces D: )
There was a war zone full of fiends with shiny energy weapons outside of camp McCarren. Cool voice? Mr. New Vegas is none other than Wayne Newton, and he loves you, baby. I loved the story but to each their own. I have to give you the last one though. But Mel in fallout 3 was such a loser I saw that reference as a negative :/.

As for too civilized? The way I saw things the wasteland in fallout 3 was pretty unbelievable. It's 200 years after the bomb but everything is still massively irradiated? There are hardly any people. Everyone is still eating canned food? Nobody is farming? There is a town that's all kids? Why is Virgina a desert? Mad max is set in a desert because Australia is a desert. Fallout was set in a desert because southern California and Nevada are covered in desert. Where did these super mutants, with the brains of a jello pudding cup come up with the idea that they were the genetically superior master race and future of humanity? Those kind of ideas seem over their heads. Why are they so organized? Where did they get all these weapons? Then you find out where they're coming from, you can't say anything about it until after the broken steel expansion comes out and when you tell Lyons he's just like "oh. Okay." Ugh just so much of that game did not make sense.
 

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Afer 89 hours of playing it I'd buy it for $15, if only because fot $15 bucks you could get close to 90 hours of contenct, so thats a buck for 6 hours of play, not bad.
 

Dr_Horrible

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buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it!

so... yeah, I highly recommend it.

Also: $15? It's still marked as $37 here...
 

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Dr_Horrible said:
buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it!

so... yeah, I highly recommend it.

Also: $15? It's still marked as $37 here...
It was on sale yesterday at noon until noon today. The price is still off, but not as much.
 

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Yeah, go ahead. Might take you a while to get into it, it took me ages to really start enjoying it. If I'm honest, the main quest kinda sucks. If you find yourself getting bored with the main quest just ignore it. I have yet to complete it but I've played quite a lot of it.
 

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If you like Fallout 3, then you will like New Vegas

Honestly, I felt it was pretty much the same as 3 gameplay wise except that armor actually means something, the ironsights and better companions. Yes the world makes sense, with farming and governments and it's connected to the old Fallouts but I haven't played any of the old Fallouts (Don't kill me for it) so I really don't know the history of this world. And as for the making sense part, you can make a great game that doesn't make sense, completely illogical and impossible and it could still be a great game.

But yeah it's a fun game
 

pspman45

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this isnt my name said:
Thats becuase its 200 fucking years after the war. Fallout 3 was fucing stupud, the watershould be clean, why arent people growing food ? Why are they tramatise and livin g a life they never lived.

So much fail, and im not even one of those lore people wh will obsess over every detail (but the supermutants n 3 were terrible).

The story was much better, your seeing society still rebuilding, there are large factions, they all wat the same things (vegas and the mojave) they wont compramise. You have the chip, which isimportant for house and Yesman, he lets you into his tower, importnt for ncr and legion who see him as a threat. How was the story BS ?
think about what you just said
A man in a computer wants you to recover a poker chip that is really a key to an army of one-wheeled robots
and some genius had the Idea to set up the roman empire again
the story had so many options for completing it, that all of it was half-baked, you had to do the same quests for each faction.
the faction's motives were a bit generic too, there was a clear good and evil group. there was really no choice involved, if you were good you picked NCR,because they are good. if you're evil you pick Legion because they are evil, if you are neutral you pick Mr. House. If you have half a brain and actually want to control the story you pick Yes Man (who has the best dialoge in the game)

I also liked 3's emphasis on "before the bombs fell" giving players insight on the world they were exploring before all hell broke loose. the atmosphere was absorbing and the game was simple enough to transfer players from FPSs to RPGs.
I hold fallout 3 under one o the best games ever made, and I hold new vegas as one of the biggest dissapointments. was it worth the money? I only paid 20 bucks so I would say definitely, but it didn't have the same feeling as 3, it felt alien like I was playing a totally different game

TDNR: story was shit, factions were generic, Fallout 3's atmosphere was awesome
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
Fallout 3 had Little Lamplight, the single-worst piece of level design I've ever seen in a game - and I've played E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial. I think Fallout: New Vegas wins the battle on that front alone.
Little Lamplight was a Mad Max reference, so I am able to forgive it, although you are right, it was annoying to navigate.
And if you still remember ET, then you have good memory. the only thing i remember about it was that it was just BAD
 

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TheIronRuler said:
5t3v0 said:
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This. I am the same, but I was one who played fallout 3 first. However, one too many Fallout wiki freefalls made me realise that Fallout 3 was a major fuckup in the existing Story canon.
I've awaited the return of the intelligent deathclaws controlled by the Enclave, I've awaited some teen genius to invent a new drug out of brahmin shit, I've awaited an intelligent RADSCORPION that beats me at CHESS, with the only possibility of defeating him is by replanting an intelligent talking plant (With a nod to the movie "Little shop of horros") and asking him for a favor in return, in which case he teaches you 'the flying liver' move.
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You don't have intelligent super mutents in Fallout 3. You have no mention of 'dipping' in fallout 3. You may think that they emerged from the radiation but there's a process where you turn humans in super mutants. Some retain their high level of intelligence while other become brutes, but there are intelligent super mutants like you saw in Jacobtown situated in the Mojave wasteland.
Enclave - No mention of Navarro. A ROBOT president. We saw a human one on the oil rig, yet you use a damn Artificial intelligence there. For what? Shock value?
NCR aren't mentioned there at all.
The Brotherhood are giant dicks that take whatever they want to take with their burly power armor. You're LUCKY that the western branch suceeded from the original Brotherhood of steel and began helping the inhabitants. The Outcasts are actually the ones that are RIGHT with what they're supposed to do, which is the recovery of old world tech. There was a civil war between the western branch and the rest of the Brotherhood of steel, mentioned in New vegas by our lovely Veronica.
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I hate it with a burning passion, the way they butchered the story in Fallout 3.
But they really didnt butcher the story.

The Mutants are explained to be genetically different than normal ones from 1 and 2. They are even different colors.

Really? Your upset that there was a robot president after the last died and they had to travel across the US to find sanctuary? You dont think the Enclave wanted some kind of stability in that aspect? And we barely even really talk to the enclave much. You want them to right out a basic history of what they have done?

And Why would the NCR be mentioned? They are on the other side of the country. There are two major mountain ranges, and hundreds of miles worth of plains between the two.

Yes the brotherhood were giant dicks. (still kind of are) but you dont think that it was possible that one group saw how crappy the inhabitants had it, saw that they would die without help and decided to help? Yes they had a small civil war war about it, but I dont see how this upsets you.

I'm just saying, Personally I preferred New Vegas, (Fallout 3 had a waaaaay better radio station though. I miss three dog.) But Fallout 3 didnt butcher the story nearly as bad as you try to make it seem.
 

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Honestly, Fallout NV (from what I've played of it, I admit I have not made a full run through yet) is just not as engaging as Fallout 3 was. I don't seem to bump into quests as often and when I do they don't seem as interesting as the ones that appeared in Fallout 3. I spend a lot of time just wandering around confusing environments trying to figure out vague objectives. I also don't feel very tied to my character's motivation. While I'm curious about what Mr. House is up to with that platinum chip of his, I just can't see why I would go through all of this effort to ice Benny because he happened to shoot me. I mean, yeah it wasn't fun being left for dead underground, but come on! Raiders shoot me and try to rob me all the freaking time!

Even my pip boy doesn't feel special. I was just handed the supposedly ridiculously cool thing (with all of its V.A.T.S. glory randomly, not given it on the day I was embraced as part of the tiny society of a vault. What was cool about the interface in Fallout 3 was that it felt like something tying you to home, not just some random gadget.

And I'm sorry, but I just don't find Mr New Vegas anywhere near as interesting a DJ as Three Dog was. One of the cool things about Fallout 3 was that there was always a little ideological war going on in the background that you could tune into at any moment. Maybe if the NCR and Caesar's Legion had their own radio stations I would feel a heck of a lot more interested in their internal squabbles.

Sorry about the rant, but I just don't feel nearly as engaged by New Vegas. It's obviously had a lot of work put into it, but it just doesn't seem to have the same soul.
 

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Rex Fallout said:
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I'm just saying, Personally I preferred New Vegas, (Fallout 3 had a waaaaay better radio station though. I miss three dog.) But Fallout 3 didnt butcher the story nearly as bad as you try to make it seem.
3 did one thing right, and that's the radio broadcast.
Mr. New Vegas was just bland and VERY repetitive. Oh Oh Oh, I burned the Vigor Tester when I tested my charisma.... Oh Oh Oh... I am so funny!
 

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5t3v0 said:
yeah, The only One with any "intellegence" makes little sense. Fawkes and his undersized terminal? How the hell would he even use one, let alone have it keeping him sane?
The same way fat people use phones.
With skill?
 

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this isnt my name said:
think about what you just said
A man in a computer wants you to recover a poker chip that is really a key to an army of one-wheeled robots
Dont see a problem, it also had data to ugrade securirons.
and some genius had the Idea to set up the roman empire again
So ? His view wasit worked, and becuase ha has arizona, new mexico and colorado iirc, it worked out for him.
the story had so many options for completing it, that all of it was half-baked, you had to do the same quests for each faction.
Fallout 3 gave no choice at all, it was always *fllow giant robot and kill enclave*
the faction's motives were a bit generic too, there was a clear good and evil group. there was really no choice involved, if you were good you picked NCR,because they are good.
Christ no. NCR are grey. You dont see any siilarity between them and the Iraq/Afghan invasion, only in NV its actually for reources. They arent good, just lealise laws to justify what ey do. Bitter springs. They are stretched too thin and cant protect the roads, they created the powder gangers. Oh andnew reeno is controled by crime lords, but NCR dont do jack shit.
if you're evil you pick Legion because they are evil,
They are dark, but they bring me order, fiends erradicated, chems arent used = no addicts, the protect the roads, its safer nd better business for caravans in Arizona than caravans in NCR territory.
if you are neutral you pick Mr. House.
Not really, house is grey like others. There is no neutra here, that would imply there is a definate good option
If you have half a brain and actually want to control the story you pick Yes Man (who has the best dialoge in the game)
You mean the robot who conveniently tells you at the end his going to make himself mroe "assertive" congrats you just got outsmarted by a kiss ass robot.

I also liked 3's emphasis on "before the bombs fell" giving players insight on the world they were exploring before all hell broke loose.
TPretty sure they covered that in revious fallouts, it still dos make sense 200 years on for some cases.
the atmosphere was absorbing and the game was simple enough to transfer players from FPSs to RPGs.
Maybe if it was say 10 years after the bombs then yes goo atmosphere, but 200 it was terrible. Gameplay was like that in NV, only non combat skills played a bigger roll.
I hold fallout 3 under one o the best games ever made, and I hold new vegas as one of the biggest dissapointments.
I think fallout 3 had fun gameplay, but pretty bad everything else, if I ignore the time after the bombs then its good. but I still prefer new vegas.
was it worth the money? I only paid 20 bucks so I would say definitely, but it didn't have the same feeling as 3, it felt alien like I was playing a totally different game
Thats becuase 3 wa wrong and NV corrected that. In fallout 2 we see society rebuilding, fallout 3 is after that and they dont even have fams, all they have is megatn and rivet city, no building, just slavaged for 200 years. Really.
TDNR: story was shit, factions were generic, Fallout 3's atmosphere was awesome
TLDR Better than 3s, better than 3s, wrong atmosphere.
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I'm trying to explain why I liked 3 better, and you're just telling me that my opinion is wrong.
This does not help your case. This does not make NV seem like a better game, it actually makes it worse, as a game is to be judged not only by its merits, but its fans.
When you, the fan, say that someone's opinion is incorrect, rather than disagreeing, then you lose.
congratulations, you have just represented your game in a negative light.
I am trying to explain why I liked it, not why you should.
I no longer want anything to do with this little Flame-War anymore
 

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I'm a console gamer since my computer sucks but go on YouTube.com and look up The Tuninator. He posts videos about mods for New Vegas everything from weapons and armor to fixes and Total game changers that just make the game look gorgeous. And of course companions and quests. I cant really says since in not a modder but i would assume that there are bad mods out there he gets the best ones in his videos.
 

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I just got it for £9 yesterday on a Steam sale (first Fallout game for me) and my friend said it's shit. However, I'm choosing to ignore him in favour of the opinions I find from strangers on the internet, which all seem pretty positive.

kiri2tsubasa said:
Can you use mods if you buy the game off steam?
You can on Oblivion, which works almost exactly the same.
 

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pspman45 said:
think about what you just said
A man in a computer wants you to recover a poker chip that is really a key to an army of one-wheeled robots
Yes exactly, how else is he going to keep control of New Vegas? Mt House is the Fallout version of Howard Hughes, but instead of planes he was obsessed with robots and technology and relied on them for his life and eventually they took over his life and he became dependant on them.

and some genius had the Idea to set up the roman empire again
Caesar was a very smart man, he discovered the Roman Empire while working with the Followers. He saw them as a successful civilisation (which they were) and he thought to rebuild America in a positive way, he would rebuild it into one of the greatest ancient civilisations ever. However, he also learned from their mistakes, one of the reasons for Rome's downfall was the Senate and in-fighting, Caesar knew that so it got rid of the Senate and declared himself supreme dictator of the Legion. This way no one could challenge him and there would be no corruption or political incompetence.

You also have to remember that very few people are aware of the Roman Empire, only a handful in the Legion are aware and pretty much none of the Legionaries are aware. They blindly follow Caesar and do whatever he wants, they dare not go against him and no one would ever dare committing any criminal felonies under the Legion.


the story had so many options for completing it, that all of it was half-baked, you had to do the same quests for each faction.
No, they were different and were mainly from different perspectives. The reasoning for them was also different and it was interesting to see how the faction leaders thought of the various factions around Vegas. Those missions give good insight into the faction of the Mojave and how they have (or have not) been trying to rebuild society. The Boomers are a bunch of ignorant, xenophobic, isolationist, explosive loving people. The BoS have the means to protect people and do a greater service to people but they have become so pre-occupied with their own agendas that they have fallen behind the times and now they don't even know what is happening in the world around them. They can't even help themselves, they were beaten by a bunch of NCR soldiers who had less training, less armour and less advanced technology than the BoS and they still managed to win.

Fallout 3 just didn't have that kind of insight or turmoil into the post-apocalyptic world as New Vegas did. Plus, Fallout 3 had Little Lamplight.

the faction's motives were a bit generic too, there was a clear good and evil group. there was really no choice involved, if you were good you picked NCR,because they are good. if you're evil you pick Legion because they are evil, if you are neutral you pick Mr. House. If you have half a brain and actually want to control the story you pick Yes Man (who has the best dialoge in the game)
No you don't, you pick which one you think will benefit New Vegas the most.

The NCR may seem like the good guys, but they're really imperialistic, money grubbing, tax collecting, power hungry, war mongering, corrupt politicians who have outstretched their armies too far and wide. But they are usually fair, less strict than the Legion, more civilised and democratic.

The Legion may seem like evil guys but they provide protection, no crime, quick action to anything bad that may happen, an intelligent leader with a clear goal, massive armies and effective imperialist tactics (Caesar has taken almost more area than the NCR has in much less time). However, more than likely once Caesar dies the Legion will begin to fall apart with no apparent heir (except for maybe the Courier) and their laws are strict and harsh (but you also need to consider the fact that the NCR kill criminals too sometimes).

Mr House was the man who saved New Vegas, but since then his grip on humanity is dwindling and he has now found himself completely separate from the real world. He will eventually one day begin to lose his mind just like Howard Hughes.

Independent New Vegas? You think that's the best outcome? You do realise Vegas will become anarchist and eventually everyone will start fighting over power and the place will just fall apart without any law or order.

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So what was Fallout 3's story about again? Oh yeah a guy risking people lives to create a giant water purifier while being helped by the morally white knights in shining armour BoS.
But wait, couldn't they just build a well and find water much less radiated or even radiation free?
Couldn't they just set up a simple filtering system using, two buckets, some cloth and some rocks?
Hey wait why are the Enclave here, didn't they get defeated in Fallout 2, located on the other side of America, why did they fly all the way here?