Fallout show review; War... War never changes

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So the show based on the famous game franchise is finally here. I must admit, I was rather hyped with this show. Sure, Fallout 4 was divisive and Fo76 sucked major balls, but it’s still Fallout and I was really curious about how this will fair. With all episodes released on the same day, I took a few days to watch all episodes.

And you know what? It’s pretty damn good. It’s funny, it’s violent, sometimes sad, and it left me with a reflection on how we as a human species behave differently in a post-apocalyptic world based on our backgrounds.

The series follows three protagonists; Lucy, a Vault 33 dweller who steps out into the post-apocalyptic LA in search of her father, Maximus, a squire in Brotherhood of Steel who steals a power armor and pretends to be a Knight in the order, and The Ghoul, a ghoul bounty hunter looking for his next target. Turns out they all are connected with the same goal, and must journey through the dangerous landscape.

The first thing I’ve noticed is how much the show feels like an actual part of the Fallout universe. The showrunners clearly had major respect for the source material. I guess it’s not that hard since Todd Howard is one of the executive producers. I personally don’t really like him, but just like with Neil Drunkmann with The Last Of US show it pays to have one of the original creators be part of the showrunner. The show looks, feels, sounds, and tells like Fallout. There are tons of references, easter eggs, and elements from the games to make the show feel like it’s one of the new game entries to the series.

There are also some concepts that I don’t think I’ve seen in the games; for example, there are scenes where they re-attach missing limbs with synthetic parts or remains from other bodies. Of course this being a Fallout universe it’s certainly possible, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it in the games

But the characters, oh my god, they are so well written. The main characters feel like amalgamations of the player character types in the games; Lucy very much feels like how I was when I first played Fallout 3 all those years ago; Blissfully unaware of the changed world, and trying to adjust to how things are. Seeing her constantly shocked by the world state is really fun. It’s exactly how I must’ve looked all those years ago. Maximus feels like all you do-gooders, believing you are doing the right thing and being mission-driven. He isn’t completely lawful good per se, as he’s willing to lie and steal, but at the end of the day he is trying to do what’s morally right. As for The Ghoul, he’s definitely tough as nail and takes no bs type. He definitely leans towards bad karma scale, but he does seem to help good guys every now and then if it benefits him.

Outside of those three, all supporting characters are also well-written. Even in brief scenes, they truly act like wasteland survivors; It’s every man/woman for themselves, each with their own motives. They are all so quirky and none of their characters feel flat

Nothing is safe; Shit goes down constantly and everything is bloody and gory just as how you experienced it in the games. The comedy comes from how everyone is so nonchalant about all the violence; I guess it’s just a typical Tuesday for them. There were many funny dialogs, as well as tongue and cheek humor that only the Fallout fans would get it.

I also love there were flashbacks to pre-war days. It shows how the fusion-powered world looked like before everything went down. We only got glimpses of these days in the game, and now we get to see an extended view. It’s actually quite haunting to see how peaceful and normal everything was. And how terrifying these mega-corporations were plotting behind the curtain.

Some locations are hauntingly beautiful, barely recognizable from how they look like today. I suppose nothing really lasts forever.

Gotta give a special shout-out to vault-dwellers of 33 after Lucy leaves. They are blissfully ignorant of the outside world, and try to stupidly apply their logic to big problems. And just like with any vaults, turns out Vault 33 was all part of Vault-Tech’s agenda and fucked up social experiment. These vault experiments always fascinate me; I mean I knew the twist was coming, but didn’t know what kind.

By the end, the show proves just how far humans are willing to go, how much humanity they are willing to cast away, and how much they are willing to lie and hurt the ones they love to achieve their goals, whether good or bad. It left me with so many moral questions. I guess that's how it always has been with every FO games I've played, especially FNV. I honestly don't know if I was willing to make the same decision as the main characters did throughout the series.

But there are some nitpicks and complaints I have; I feel some characters, despite being well-written, didn't serve much purpose to the plot. Also I know there is BoS, but i feel like other factors could've gotten more spotlight. There's also some sort of attempt at retcon-ing the lore, where it was valut-tech who initiated the first bomb drop, not the US or Chinese government, all for the purpose of getting human guinea pigs into their vaults. I mean it's a neat idea, but I feel like that makes them void any form of class or logic. Ghouls don't have their iconic gargled voices either. Also, where are the energy weapons? Or a plethora of other weapons? Not enough mutated monsters either; We have radroaches, yao guais, and gulpers. But no deathclaws, bloatflies, or mole rats in action?

Overall, the show is pretty damn good, minus few flaws here and there. The season 2 tease look great.

9/10. Definitely worth watching
 
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I was really scared about this being on Prime. They engaged in cultural vandalism with the LOTR and Wheel of Time mythos and, who knows what to expect with this. Well, it's been terrific! I put about 120 hours into Fallout 3 GOTY on PS3 and, very pleased with what we got here. Agreed: gamers are encouraged to watch this show!
 

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Saw the first two episodes. Can't say I'm very impressed. The humor doesn't land for how many attempts at it there are and it overuses 50's pop needledrops to the point I was absolutely sick of them by the end of the first episode.
 

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Saw the first two episodes. Can't say I'm very impressed. The humor doesn't land for how many attempts at it there are and it overuses 50's pop needledrops to the point I was absolutely sick of them by the end of the first episode.
Yeah the start is a bit slow. But around epside 3-4 is when things start to get really good. The classic songs are still there, but they definitely cut down on how often they are played
 

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Lucy, Maximus, and the Ghoul. Epic characters. Best show ever. I only wished they didn't kill the NCR. But I understand why they did it. If civilization were ever brought to fallout, it would kill the premise of the story.

That said Maximus better be another Lyon.

The ending is Hank going to New Vegas... God Damn it
 
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I enjoyed it. I maybe preferred the humor of the fan-made Fallout: Nuka Break, but it broke down when it tried to get serious in the second season. Whereas Amazon Prime Fallout just kept getting better and better as it added more serious story elements. And it tells one of the best video game jokes I've ever seen on a series or movie based on a game.
The Goul's quip about getting sidetracked by bullshit.

Plus, while watching it I saw the preview for Outer Range: Season 2. I would never in a million years guessed Prime would have greenlit a second season for Outer Range.
 

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So I finished this last night, it kinda didn't end as strong as I would have liked, or at all, since it feels only half-done, definitely expecting at least a second season. The final battle and the whole resolution of the plot with the head kinda fizzled out instead of going with a bang and you had two factions that I didn't care about battling it out. Seeing Cooper's background and what secrets lie hidden was way more interesting than anything else. Also his wife must be some kinda major sociopath cause she seemed so normal but during that business meeting she might as well have been a different person. I can see her being some kinda final bad guy.
 
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I just finished up the season last night, really liked it and looking forward to the next season. The plot satisfyingly weaved itself in and out of all the main characters stories. Walton Goggins as the ghoul was the highlight of the show in many regards as he was basically the "cool" character as the ghoul as well as the his story tracing back to before the bombs and him also living so long and just seeing more stuff than a human would.

By the end, the show proves just how far humans are willing to go, how much humanity they are willing to cast away, and how much they are willing to lie and hurt the ones they love all to achieve their goals, whether good or bad. It left we with so many moral questions. I guess that's the goal with every FO games. I honestly don't know if I was willing to make the same decision as the main characters did throughout the series.
I really like how the politics of the show were basically that going too far extreme into any ideology is bad. There's even a part of the show that's very or really exactly Bioshock-y in messaging.

Also his wife must be some kinda major sociopath cause she seemed so normal but during that business meeting she might as well have been a different person. I can see her being some kinda final bad guy.
So many people get so wrapped into their ideology/politics (that they are convinced is right and better), that they are perfectly normal in 90+% of the situations, but when they get on their "soapbox", they are basically a different person. Something like how the community in Hot Fuzz could be the most normal people and then be so cult-like "for the greater good" in their meetings.
 
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Also his wife must be some kinda major sociopath cause she seemed so normal but during that business meeting she might as well have been a different person.
People can be complex and compartmentalised. There were people who loved their wives and children but ran concentration camps as a day job.

And Season 2 has been green-lit!
I think I read somewhere it's been Amazon Prime's third most successful product. Season 2 could barely not happen.
 

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And Season 2 has been green-lit!
Yeah this is the only logical thing to do with the way it ended. They prolly split it in half and released the first half to dip a toe in the water and see how it's performing before jumping in.

Here's hoping they will include more things like energy weapons and whatnot.



So many people get so wrapped into their ideology/politics (that they are convinced is right and better), that they are perfectly normal in 90+% of the situations, but when they get on their "soapbox", they are basically a different person. Something like how the community in Hot Fuzz could be the most normal people and then be so cult-like "for the greater good" in their meetings.

I dunno, to me she gave the air of someone who was "one of the good guys" in vault tec, someone idealistic trying to do the right thing who wasn't into all the creepy authoritarianism they were pulling off but saw them as the only way to salvation so kinda bit her tongue and went along with it. She didn't give the aura of a full-throated supporter. Like when explaining the thing about no dogs, she made it seem like the decision came from above and there was nothing she could do, but it seems like there's things she could do to me after seeing that business meeting, and that she was just being manipulative and deceptive towards Coop to get him off her back.
 
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I got really nostalgic when I was watching this last week, reminded me of the good old days playing fallout3 on the 360...The series was fantastic! Highly recommend it to anyone.
 
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I just finished the show today. I went in with very low expectations, and I thought it was fantastic.

The show runners very clearly have a love and respect for the source material. The show oozes with charm, and visually looks almost perfect. The cast were all great, and Lucy especially is immediately lovable.

Being from California and having lived in LA it was a lot of fun seeing familiar landmarks (even if it doesn't make any sense for the Santa Monica Pier to survive for 200 years after a nuclear apocalypse with no maintenance).

Some people have been talking about the show messing with certain canon. Unfortunately I'm not super well versed in the Fallout lore as I've only played Fallout 3 and New Vegas, so nothing jumped out at me as being horribly wrong and inaccurate, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were certain details and locations that were changed to fit a cinematic narrative better. Overall I thought the show paid a good amount of respect to the source material even if it may not be 100% consistent with it.
 
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I just finished the show today. I went in with very low expectations, and I thought it was fantastic.

The show runners very clearly have a love and respect for the source material. The show oozes with charm, and visually looks almost perfect. The cast were all great, and Lucy especially is immediately lovable.

Being from California and having lived in LA it was a lot of fun seeing familiar landmarks (even if it doesn't make any sense for the Santa Monica Pier to survive for 200 years after a nuclear apocalypse with no maintenance).

Some people have been talking about the show messing with certain canon. Unfortunately I'm not super well versed in the Fallout lore as I've only played Fallout 3 and New Vegas, so nothing jumped out at me as being horribly wrong and inaccurate, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were certain details and locations that were changed to fit a cinematic narrative better. Overall I thought the show paid a good amount of respect to the source material even if it may not be 100% consistent with it.
Todd Howard from Bethesda is credited as a producer for the show so they clearly had their hand in making it a faithful show to the games. Which is both surprising in this day and age with Amazon series, but also highly welcome.


As for the lore retcon stuff, it looks like they imply that vault tec nuked america (the nukes in ep 1 weren't falling from the skies, they were planted) when it is canon that China started the war and nuked the US first, which to me is not that big of a deal. The bigger issue I had was with that medicine Ghouls had to take to keep from going feral. That thing is made up from whole cloth. Ghouls just go feral because radiation eats at their brain too much, it's an inevitability and comes with age, which makes pre-war ghouls extremely rare and special, but if you make it possible for someone to just be badass enough and just survive from hoarding all the medicine that kinda robs them of their special nature, and prolly allows a few two many of em to survive.



But yeah overall those are very minor nitpicks, show's still great.
 

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Amazing post reply to one of the show's creators. I still love the show tho.
 

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The first thing I’ve noticed is how much the show feels like an actual part of the Fallout universe. The showrunners clearly had major respect for the source material. I guess it’s not that hard since Todd Howard is one of the executive producers. I personally don’t really like him, but just like with Neil Drunkmann with The Last Of US show it pays to have one of the original creators be part of the showrunner.
Todd Howard is definitely not one of the original creators of Fallout.
 
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Todd Howard from Bethesda is credited as a producer for the show so they clearly had their hand in making it a faithful show to the games. Which is both surprising in this day and age with Amazon series, but also highly welcome.


As for the lore retcon stuff, it looks like they imply that vault tec nuked america (the nukes in ep 1 weren't falling from the skies, they were planted) when it is canon that China started the war and nuked the US first, which to me is not that big of a deal. The bigger issue I had was with that medicine Ghouls had to take to keep from going feral. That thing is made up from whole cloth. Ghouls just go feral because radiation eats at their brain too much, it's an inevitability and comes with age, which makes pre-war ghouls extremely rare and special, but if you make it possible for someone to just be badass enough and just survive from hoarding all the medicine that kinda robs them of their special nature, and prolly allows a few two many of em to survive.



But yeah overall those are very minor nitpicks, show's still great.
Well, Tim Cain said in an interview (after he already left Interplay) that China started the great war. That never really made it canon. Canon explanation in-game was that nobody really knew who fired a nuke first. And at least one Interplay co-creator said that was very much by design. And that makes the new series mention, the actual first canon explanation of who started the Great War.

I agree about ghouls, although I imagine they did correctly figure they needed an explanation for why some went feral and some did not. And I'll add that the chicken-loving "doctor" having a miracle inhalant that turns someone into a ghoul instantly... that kind of bothers me too.

But yes, show's still great.