Fantastic Four Reboot Movie Won't Be Based on Any Comics

[Orga777]

I just don't understand. If there is absolutely nothing Fantastic Four related other than the name, then why even bother calling it the Fantastic Four to begin with? They should have just made a completely new story out of this instead of whatever garbage they are doing here. I understand why Marvel is so pissed at Fox when it comes to their IPs. Useless morons. It is hard to imagine something worse than the first two movies, but this sounds like it makes the first two as masterpieces. I am never going to get a legitimate Doctor Doom on the big screen.

 

[PunkRex]

Ho boy, this is gonna be bad, and i'm not talking about the film (although that's proberly gonna be bad). This is gonna cause such a back lash as to shake the very heavens.

 

[RJ Dalton]

Fantastic Four "grounded and realistic"? Somehow I believe this is a contradiction of terms. I mean, maybe a woman who turns invisible, a guy who stretches like rubber, a kid who bursts into flames without dying and a guy who's body is made of rock can totally be realistic, but . . .

No. No it can not. If you're going to try to lie to me, Hollywood, at least put some effort into making the lie believable.

You need to think metaphorically.
Invisible woman == symbol of the marginalization of women in society
Flaming teenager == symbol for youthful rebellion
Stretching man == symbol of male ego torn in different directions by traditional gender roles and new societal expectations
Ugly rock man == symbol of repressed rage and body shaming

Somehow, I believe you and I are operating on different definitions of the word "realistic." Or possibly you're being sarcastic. It's hard to tell on the internet.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I don't believe one word of anything that Mara just said.

 

[Diddy_Mao]

If ever there was a Marvel series that should avoid gritty realism, it's the Fantastic Four.

I want mole people and invaders from negative dimensions!
I want a man named Viktor Von Doom to menace the world by threatening to tear open a quantum-kepplar rift in the reality matrix using his inverse flux nano generator!

 

[Fairly Chaotic]

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Not to be offensive but way to miss the mark on this. Yes, there have been a lot of dark themes and serious/gritty issues among the Marvel comics. Look no further than the Captain America and Punisher for the most gritty of material. Each line of comics has a constant theme and style to it that is maintained even when they crossover. Someone has already posted that "The Fantastic Four" is known for being a science fiction fantasy. This director has no intentions of making a sci-fi fantasy.

I'm not a fantastic four expert or even a comic expert in the lease, but I have noticed that when story-lines combine for a dark plot, the Fancy 4 are rarely seen. The darkest I've ever seen their characters is during Civil War. Every time I thumb through a Fantastic comic, I always see them in space or an alternate dimension. Whenever Cap is fighting evil regimes, Iron Man is fighting competitors and screwing every woman he encounters and Webs is fighting nemesis# 15 for the 127th time, the Fantastic Four are in some other part of the universe helping mystical aliens and exploring new worlds/dimensions. The team is, in fact, a bunch of genius researchers and one pilot. However, counterpoint: the ultimate universe did lend the series a darker tone.

The only way to do the series justice is to make a fantasy set in space. Square-Enix Some other studio could easily handle something like that. Doesn't matter though because we all know how this is going to turn out: like Raimi's Spiderman 3. Fans and people who are fans of literary consistency will hate it while the "Y'know I thought it was alright" crowd will enjoy it.

 

[FPLOON]

Invisible woman == symbol of the marginalization of women in society
Flaming teenager == symbol for youthful rebellion
Stretching man == symbol of male ego torn in different directions by traditional gender roles and new societal expectations
Ugly rock man == symbol of repressed rage and body shaming

Either this movie's going to be smarter than it appears to be right now... or we would be giving this movie too much credit in the long run...

OT: Huh... No wonder I was accepting of Johnny Storm being black in this movie... It all makes perfect sense!

But seriously, I want to give this movie the benefit of the doubt... and, so far, I have more faith in this movie than the Dawn of Justice movie... Sure, that could change the more info we hear about it, but I digress... Besides, the most I know about the FF is through that <link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four:_World's_Greatest_Heroes>one animated series, anyway...

Also, I'm really hoping there's going to be some optimism hidden within this movie, at least... The thought of a "much more grounded, gritty, realistic" movie is clouding my thoughts of that happening in a more... uh... optimistic way, I guess...

 

[vid87]

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I'm not a fantastic four expert or even a comic expert in the lease, but I have noticed that when story-lines combine for a dark plot, the Fancy 4 are rarely seen. The darkest I've ever seen their characters is during Civil War.

I was originally talking about just the Marvel films, but there was a saga in the comics during which Susan drops Invisible "Girl" for "Woman" after she was freed from being Malice because of Psycho Man and subsequently (presumably) torturing him.

 

[keideki]

Every time I read about what they are doing with the Fantastic Four movie franchise I just get this sinking pit feeling in my stomach. It's like they looked at how successful Marvel is with their concepts and say to themselves, lets just do the exact opposite.

Actually...it's moe like Marvel Keeps reminding them : You don't make a movie..we get the IP back and make money with it.

So they'll happily put out crap FF movies just to keep that frpom happening. Saying your not going by any comic arc is basically a way to have a clean slate without having any expectations to meet and brutha does this ever lower expectations of the next FF movie. I mean seriously... I'd actually be surprised if thios movie came out as anything but a Direct to DVD or Cable release. I half expect it to premiere on the Syfy channel.

And yes there is a point where you diverge from the roots of a franchise so much that you might as well take the extra step to create a new IP. But that's not how Producers and Marketers think. So what if it has nothing to do with the brand name.. the brand name will sell it.

Just because they loose the license if they don't make movies does not mean that they have to make crappy movies or movies that are not based on the original comic. The only thing they are doing by releasing loads of terrible FF movies is damage their brand and loose oodles of money at box office.

 

[Drake Barrow]

Nolanization strikes again! Christopher Nolan is why we can't have nice things. Yes, the actual reasons are infinitely more complex, but I'm just going to take the cheap and easy way out and blame Nolan.

If they wanted a "grim 'n gritty" Fantastic Four film, why not work with the premise from the Marvel limited series Ruins? In that world, absolutely nothing went right at all, and the FF died when they came back to Earth. Reed was horribly distorted and his heart gave out, Johnny burned without being able to protect himself from it, and Sue couldn't see because light passed through her eyes...so she fell on top of still-burning Johnny. The only survivor was Ben Grimm, because he'd been unable to make the trip for reasons that escape me.

So, yeah, there's a grim 'n gritty film right there. A hideous tragedy befalls three great minds, and the Earth has to deal with it. With just a smidge more connection to the IP, you have a non-superhero superhero-related movie.

Or, alternately, license The Four from Planetary. That's got enough grimdark in it to make Quentin Tarantino let fly with a man squee of pure juvenile delight.

OT: hyperbole aside, the commentary being released here doesn't bode well at all. Now that we've had several superhero films under our collective belts that were respectful of the source material while still being watchable, I'm not sure how the total re-imagining is going to play out. It's a wait-and-see game, but this fills me with less confidence than Batman v Superman v the law firm of Howard, Fine, and Howard LLC.

 

[Dominic Crossman]

"Grounded, gritty, and realistic". Because everything needs to be Batman to be successful, right? Oh joy.

Yeah, pretty much what I thought when I read this.
They did it to Superman and people hated on it for doing so (along with the avoidable collateral damage that he causes)
I made a bet with a mate that batfleck will be the more cheerful/happy character outta him and supes...
I went off topic a bit :/

Anyway just saying I don't think gritty and f4 go togehter

 

[Holythirteen]

Funny, this is what hollywood does with most of it's comic adaptations anyway. To come right out and say this about the movie so early on just reeks of desperation.

What I'm hearing is: "We had an original story idea we wanted to make into a movie but we couldn't get anybody to invest in it, so we slapped the words FANTASTIC FOUR on it."

 

[SidheKnight]

This could work.

I didn't give a f*ck for the FF reboot until now. Now I want to see where this is going. If done well, it could be awesome.

I like serious and realistic takes on superheroes, when they're well done (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Ang Lee's Hulk).

We already had two "wacky", "family fun" FF movies. Let's give drama a chance.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I find it a bit annoying that Hollywood wants to make "comic book movie cash" but apparently doesn't want to make a "comic book movie". They know that these movies make money nowadays but instead of taking someones work and respectfully adapt it into a movie they just cherry-pick one or two aspects and dismiss the rest. To me this all reads as if they are embarrassed of the source material so they cut everything out except the parts that you need in order to market it as a "comic book movie, just like Avengers. And you liked Avengers, right? So come on in and see this one".

But then again, the movie isn't out and there is always the chance that it's actually really good. I doubt it though.

This among others will make almost any hate justified. Definitely not towards the actors, but Everyone else involved with the creation with this.

You wouldn't make Harry Potter into a Sassy Half Asian girl with purple hair just to try your take of the source Material.

You wouldn't make Aragorn a campy gay warrior who finds he can lead just as well as his straight counterparts (although now I have a sudden urge to see that)

You wouldn't reboot it's a Wonderful Life And have *DECADES OLD SPOILERS* George realize life is wonderful and then have him get shoot in the head and rolled because he was secretly involved with the Nazi movement and someone came to get revenge.

You wouldn't change the ending to Gone With The Wind and have Scarlet get so worked up Rhett rebuffed her that she changed her slave owning ways and became the first Conductor for the Underground Railroad.

What makes me upset and I suppose a lot of others is that they only do it to us. Because Geeks, right? No one reads this stuff. Only the billions of people on planet Earth who throw money at this yearly and without fail. It doesn't matter if they don't be as loyal to the source as any other part of media, because no one even knows comic lore so we can do whatever we want!

That's what gets my goat.