FBI brands internet privacy as terrorism.

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Biodeamon

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Terrorim causes pyshical harm and death. Piracy only cuts a few dollars from the fat cats already humungous wallet.

Also i'm pretty sure that piracy is a religion in sweeden because all knowledge is holy to them. If the FBI brands them as terrorists we could be looking at another "holy war"
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Yes, I'm sure lifestyle mags frequently include the purchase of bomb-making chemicals and analysis of structural weak points of locations of interests. Your "lifestyle" column almost certainly has little to do with that list, and since these are not automatic indicators (though you pretended otherwise).
The magazine is called 'Super Interessante' (super interesting, roughly translated) it doesn't discuss one specific subject, but rather a number of subjects while providing commentaries on real events, you know, like minor crimes, bombings, terrorist cells in Europe (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA ) which have taken shelter here, the run of the mill police bust or even about videogames and their effect in society.


Which probably won't get you flagged in itself.
No, but you can't take one thing out of context and call me out on it.

Oh, well that changes everything. The FBI will be all over you.
Sarcasm... nice, well played...

You were raising awareness by being deceitful, and it worked. The cast majority of people in this thread believed you, and now you're trying to say you weren't being deceitful.

And by the way, "playing the obvious troll" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
I suppose that really is a matter of interpretation but okay, let's run with it.
And yes, maybe the subtleties of the english language still elude me, after all I'm not a native english speaker. What I know was mostly self taught, so the intricate workings of internet slang coming out of my mouth might not mean the same to you than they do to me.

No, you're not. I doubt you're anywhere near close, especially with the biggest ones.
Alright, let's break the list down:

- Are overly concerned about privacy, attempts to shield the screen from view of
others - Guilty

- Always pay cash or use credit card(s) in different name(s) - I pay cash 90% of times, because taxes here cause most shops to not take cards unless the bill is higher than ?5.

- Apparently use tradecraft: lookout, blocker or someone to distract employees - This one I don't do, mostly because I tend to go there alone. Although I will wait for the line to clear out before getting up and going up to the register.

- Act nervous or suspicious behavior inconsistent with activities - If I'm waiting on a specific review of one of my pieces, I'll be nervous as hell and no one else there will know why, unless they ask.

- Are observed switching SIM cards in cell phone or use of multiple cell phones - Like I said, 2 phones, 3 SIMs.

- Travel illogical distance to use Internet Café - Okay it's only like 4 miles, but illogical by what standart? It's not just subjective, it's just silly.

- Evidence of a residential based internet provider (signs on to Comcast, AOL,
etc.) - Like I said, my internet at home sucks, so if I have to leave the house to get a decent connection I will login to my ISP's page and send them yet another passive agressive e-mail.

- Use of anonymizers, portals, or other means to shield IP address - I use TOR when I'm researching especially "touchy" subjects.

- Suspicious or coded writings, use of code word sheets, cryptic ledgers, etc. - I've written 5 pieces on the Portuguese Freemasonry, their works were riddled with codes and cryptic decoding ledgers are the easiest way to translate their works to the general public.

- Encryption or use of software to hide encrypted data in digital photos, etc. - I use Linux as my main OS, everything in my home folder is encrypted, as is every .zip, .tar.gz or .pdf file I e-mail people.

- Suspicious communications using VOIP or communicating through a PC game - Once again, subjective. How does the average Joe discern suspicious talk from abbreviations commonly used in online game communities?

- Download content of extreme/radical nature with violent themes - Already mentioned above, sometimes I have to research such themes in order to provide an educated opinion.

- Gather information about vulnerable infrastructure or obtain photos, maps or diagrams of transportation, sporting venues, or populated locations - after the Madrid train bombings I had to look up various details regarding the events in hopes of raising some awareness in my own country, you know, in order to prevent it from happening here.

- Purchase chemicals, acids, hydrogen peroxide, acetone, fertilizer, etc. - Doesn't happen very often, I'll admit, but I've used the online pharmaceutical websites to purchase medication.

-Download or transfer files with ?how-to? content such as:
- Content of extreme/radical nature with violent themes - Guilty
- Anarchist Cookbook, explosives or weapons information - Partially guilty, I don't research these extensively
- Military tactics, equipment manuals, chemical or biological information - Guilty
- Terrorist/revolutionary literature - Guilty (Freemasonry, ETA, etc)
- Preoccupation with press coverage of terrorist attacks - Guilty (see above)
- Defensive tactics, police or government information - Guilty
- Information about timers, electronics, or remote transmitters / receivers - Guilty, after all I do have a Master's in Electronics and Telecommunications

Guilty of 17 out of 21 - 80.95%, missed by around 9%

We post deceptive claims and then complain that once in a while someone actually reads our source material and calls them on it?
More sarcasm?... fine, I just debunked that one on the flyer breakdown.

It is when you're the one calling it coincidental or linking them, and you're guilty of both. This is such a Fox News argument. "Well, I made the affirmative argument, but WHO'S TO SAY?"
Well, first of all, I'm flattered. I didn't think I was nowhere near good enough to actually be compared to a professional news network, even if their cred is next to null. Second, bad comparison!

Look, you're a journalist, right? I'm a journalist, too. I may only write freelance regional pieces, but that should be more than enough "cred" in this instance. I think we both understand that educated people should look into and verify this sort of thing. Of course, I wouldn't hold you to the same standards as what you're published, but you really should know better. And even cursory research should tell you the FBI had been making this case against Megaupload for at least half a year. There's no reason to claim that this is anything other than coincidence. To call it fishy, to say it even looks that way, is to say "I did not do the research."
They had been working on it for 5 months, yet none of the arrests were people of any significance within MegaUpload, the owner didn't even get charges pressed on him, but I won't get into that. Or the fact that those arrested received sentences higher than most murderers/rapists ever did.

Which appears to include you. But again, they've been saying this for ages. This is not something that happened "A week later." you may have found one article proclaiming it, but that's like accusing them of passing the NDAA in response to Megaupload or the death of SOPA simply because you first heard about it a week later.

That's poor understanding of the subject and utterly disingenuous, especially since you said things not about the source material.
Maybe I am a fan of a little conspiracy theory, makes the world less dull. Maybe I don't care enough about the Federal Bureau of Investigation branding people like me as terrorists, but that's only because I live in Europe, atm, and it causes me to get some news later than you do.


Too bad you can't unfire the cannon of false claims and make that valid.
Again with the sarcasm?...

Sarcasm is quite easy to determine in prose if one pays attention. It might be the sort of attention that would have been able to avert this sort of thread, so perhaps you don't do it. If it was that hard to determine sarcasm in the written form, satire would have been a dead art in print the day after writing was invented.

But for the record, that was less sarcastic than it was sardonic.
And as much as I'd like to be able to discuss semantics with you, I don't think I have the english know-how to make it interesting.

But please, do go on, I'm loving the back and forth... and no, that's not sarcasm.
 

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Yay i'm a terrorist because i have 1TB and 2*1.5TB hdd's encrypted with 512AES, do they ever think that maybe were just private people and don't want others stealing things like bank details, hell if you think about it just about every company with an oracle database is a terrorist as those are encrypted on default...

Thank god i live in the UK although saying that the UK would just hand me over anyway if the US wanted me...
 

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Biodeamon said:
Terrorim causes pyshical harm and death. Piracy only cuts a few dollars from the fat cats already humungous wallet.

Also i'm pretty sure that piracy is a religion in sweeden because all knowledge is holy to them. If the FBI brands them as terrorists we could be looking at another "holy war"
It's PRIVACY not PIRACY. Got a little mixed up there.
 

Biodeamon

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M4t3us said:
Biodeamon said:
Terrorim causes pyshical harm and death. Piracy only cuts a few dollars from the fat cats already humungous wallet.

Also i'm pretty sure that piracy is a religion in sweeden because all knowledge is holy to them. If the FBI brands them as terrorists we could be looking at another "holy war"
It's PRIVACY not PIRACY. Got a little mixed up there.
wait, wuh?

okay them declaring piracy terrorism but privacy? the one thing standing between a police state and noraml gouverment is privacy...seems a bit extreme even for them...however i do see that they could be thinking that people who keep themsleves too much might be hiding something...but at worse it's probably a really bad porn habit not plans to a bomb or anything...
 

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So, remind me of why the United States is "the best country in the world" like so many people insist, again?
M4t3us said:
It's PRIVACY not PIRACY. Got a little mixed up there.
What's sad, is that neither of these would be suprising to hear.
 

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I swear I am leaving this forsaken country to second I'm able to.
Maybe then I can just laugh at a distance while the county swallows itself into a super condensed block of stupid.
 

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You know the only reason that you should be freaked out about the FBI was going through your computer is if you're actually involved in illegal activity. Also, them announcing this to the world isn't going to change a damn thing. Don't board up the windows to your house too soon, at least wait for the end of 2012.
 

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OH NO! I used private browsing, it's a good thing there wasn't recently an act passed that lets the government arrest citizens accused of terrorism without reason or....oh wait!

Well, when I get executed by CIA operatives for putting a password on some zipped files so my brother couldn't screw with them, I'll at least be happy knowing we are in safe, certainly non-malicious hands!

I mean, I am obviously being overdramatic, but really, this scares me half to death. What next?
 

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The best part is that even though SOPA was shot down, the FBI seem to be going ahead with it. Torrent and Share sites are vanishing or being charged. I won't be surprised if sites like deviant art or the escapist are mysteriously shut down with out any explination.

This could simpley be paranoid speculation but i'm just calling it like i see it.
 

minimacker

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Next week : FBI declares two thirds of US internet users to be terrorists, mass-arrests are in progress.
 

CarlMin

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FBI seems to think that the only reason why people would value their Internet privacy is because they have something to hide. But just because people have something they'd rather not share with just anybody doesn't mean that it's something illegal.

To say that this kind of reasoning is indicative of the American government would be wrong, however. This anti-Piracy sentimentality is coming from many other directions, including Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook and also Google has many times shown an obvious disrespect for people's right to privacy. This concerns me way more. I don't think FBI knew what they were doing, but these people certainly do.
 

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This is acually nothing new. Instead of terrorist it used to be communist.

Also, do know that on the botton of the flyer it does say that these actions alone does not mean that someone is a terrorist, albiet it is in small print and hard to read if it was not zoom in.
 

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...They haven't considered the possibility that the person in question is looking at porn? Privacy is bad now? Should I shower in public?
 

TheTurtleMan

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Blablahb said:
TheTurtleMan said:
You know the only reason that you should be freaked out about the FBI was going through your computer is if you're actually involved in illegal activity.
Bullshit. The FBI has been employed to enforce Christian morals and the private interests of certain bribe-paying industries.

For instance your tax money is being used to let FBI agents surf looking for BDSM porn. If they find something their tender Christian ultra-conservative sensitivies can't stand, they'll accuse it of money laundering for Al Qaida and forbid credit companies doing business with it.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/09/5346.ars

For instance they destroyed a website called Insex was destroyed in that way for being a succesfull business. Well, destroyed... They moved their hosting to another country, transfered their activities to a new company outside the US, and they're still in business to this day.

So if you wonder where your tax dollars are going: it's to make sure that horrid criminals such as people who are kinky, or share music are punished, while child abusers, murderers and true spreaders of hatespeech go unpunished.
If by enforcing christian morals you mean taking down porn including "beastiality, defication, and urination" then yes, very strict christians. If this really had to do with Christianity then wouldn't they take down ALL porn? I'm saying I endorse what the FBI wastes money on, it's just that it's not the end of all freedom and liberty. Also, how is the FBI letting child abusers, murderers, and true "spreaders of hatespeech" go unpunished?
 

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The title and what was actually said in the article seem to be a little different from my perspective. What the FBI actually said was that anyone who kept a great deal of information about themselves COULD be a terrorist. It's not that they believe that it automatically makes you a terrorist, but that it's something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Obviously, if you tried to get someone (who you couldn't get too much information from) arrested for being a terrorist, it can get you into a load of trouble if you don't have enough evidence to make it conclusive. Then again, I keep a lot of information about me private to protect myself from potential predators from the Internet. Maybe the reason some people seem upset about it is that the FBI basically said that one way that people try to protect themselves from terrorists can incorrectly get those people marked as terrorists themselves, so there's a sense of irony in the whole situation.
 

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Guys, I think we're being invaded by bizarro world. Arm yourselves lest your evil twin burst in the door at any moment.
 

Vuliev

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I...words can't describe my reaction to this. Seriously, the US government does some stupid shit, but christ this is asinine. Like, I don't...I...

Sigh.


EDIT: Wow, that pic is a lot bigger than I thought it was. Shows the magnitude of my reaction, I suppose. XP