FBI Raids Texas Company in Hunt for Anonymous

[pokepuke]

I don't care about the rape charges, I care about the other laws he broke. Does it matter what was in the documents? No! Good Lord people need to shut up about what was in the papers he released. It could have been a picture of Obama saluting to a giant portrait of Stalin and that wouldn't change the fact that the documents were top secret and he should be punished for breaking the law.
If a man tortures another man that raped his daughter, some people might see that as justice (like me). But its still breaking the law so that man needs to be brought to justice by the government.

Except for the fact that he didn't break any laws. It was perfectly legal, and that is why the US is just looking like dicks in the wind by not being able to charge him for anything. Just like they aren't charging the newspapers for publishing the same exact stuff.

By the way, they weren't even top secret.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

So much for the anonymity of "Anonymous".

Three cheers for the FBI and their bureaucratic crusade against freedom.

would you rather anonymous grow out of control and get so sucked up in its own power that it will eventually take over our governments? (i really think that if one controls the internet, they can control the world)
well hell no, this should teach those little cunts a lesson.
don't
fuck
with the government.

Yeah, don't do anything while they slowly take away freedom. Learn your place like a good little citizen.

Remember, the government is a group of people that are chosen to help organize the people who live in the country. They're supposed to work for you, not the other way around.

Besides, Anonymous members are mostly decent people in real life. Sure they are little cunts, but all their actions are actually a relief to me. It means the internet still has a bit of freedom left.

Thats pretty much the way i see how the government should be there for you not taking away your rights and reinforcing laws to take away the essence of freedom itself by witholding information the people need to know instead of locking it away and creating a fabricated reality we see ourselves in today.

Every waking day i look at every government for what they are and never seem to want to trust them at any time because i know what they are capable of creating.

 

[duchaked]

go the FBI...

I mean why not, not like Anonymous really means anything to me

guess my rebellious nature is played more close to home (aha...face to face, personal)

 

[paragon1]

I pretty much called this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.249641-Anonymous-Declares-Infowar-on-Wikileaks-Opponents#9224074].

Anonymous has been pulling DOS attacks as pranks for a long time, but the point where they decided to dabble in attacking commerce sites in the name of political activism, they pretty much crossed the line into being full-fledged "cyber-terrorists" - literally, not just throwing around terrorism as a word to scare people into being right-wing.

Although the FBI isn't going to wipe out anonymous by taking down a few servers in Texas any easier than they could wipe out software piracy by taking down a few servers anywhere. Anonymous isn't just 3 guys having a good time. It's an offshoot of 4Chan, which is a significant part of today's online youth culture.

I agree. And I'm sure whoever is running the investigation will know that. They don't really have to wipe them out either. They just need to arrest specific individuals responsible for a specific crime, and show the rest of the shiftless little gits that there's lines you don't cross.

 

[paragon1]

Anonymous isn't one or two people, it's just anyone with significant networking knowledge anywhere around the world that takes a stand.

They'll be hunting for a long, long while.

They aren't really taking a stand though, are they? They're just attacking people from behind computers. Taking a stand requires you to stand up in public as an individual and state that you believe something is wrong.

 

[Ender910_v1legacy]

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To be honest Wikileaks goes into that massive pile of thins I don't give a fuck about. I've got better things in my life than to worry if they make another nation's Government look silly.

And this is exactly how the government can take advantage of every day citizens; citizens who don't bother to take the responsibility to take care of and help maintain their own nation's freedom and security, both from within and without. I dare say that Astrange and wikileaks have done what American citizens have failed to do. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so shameful.

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What I'm talking about are the mercenary little motherfuckers who can't even select an appropriate target for their actions. They want to help out Wikileaks in an actual way? Petition Moot to release a server for Wikileaks use. Maybe organise a moneymaking event or an online donation for them to buy whatever they need.

But noooo...no, they had to DDoS someone! Because let's face it, that's all they can really do, they can't do anything productive because they're attention seeking idiots and they've got a pretty nifty little way of causing chaos.

I think you have a pretty poor understanding of Anonymous. Now I don't claim to understand Anon much myself, and I am thoroughly aware of the kinds of childish attention whores that sometimes stem from that crowd, but at the same time it's a community of individual people, from varying backgrounds. Much like The Escapist's community, it would be pretty presumptuous to assume based on a handful of especially vocal loonies that everyone in the community as a whole must surely be of the same fold.

Within Anon I suspect there's an actual, semi-reasonable, and perhaps genuine movement going on, and like Helmutye pointed out, their use of DDoS is perhaps today's version of nonviolent resistance. Resistance against being unlawfully, unethically, and illegally blinded, silenced, falsely accused, imprisoned, and oppressed.

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They aren't really taking a stand though, are they? They're just attacking people from behind computers. Taking a stand requires you to stand up in public as an individual and state that you believe something is wrong.

In some ways I think you're right, but what alternatives are there? A rally could easily be overlooked or twisted by the media, especially considering how clearly irresponsible, lazy, and corrupt journalists are now. My state senator? Only if there's enough people upset and he has an election coming up. I mean I'd be all in favor of a more reasonable approach, but we're also talking about trying to deal with unreasonable people with a lot of power.

 

[Averant]

Sad thing is, once the FBI find the people who did it, they'll just turn around and hire them to work for them as well paid "consultants" to help stop other hackers.

Don't see what's so sad about it. Use a thief to catch a thief, plus it gives them a chance to use their talents for pay/good use.

 

[Crazy_Dude]

Good luck finding hundreds of hackers all over the world. It would take years to find them all.

 

[Rainforce]

Personal secrets and governmental secrets are a different matter tho. Whoever is right the government is pushing the envelope on whats accepted by the community by going after him this way, they have to prove that he has done wrong, as the people have the right to know unless it endangers members of the military/military operations/law enforcement etc (you get the drift).

not quite. most govermental secrets exist for personal reasons, and most of those reasons are synonymous to "fear of responsibility" or "fear to lose political power".

 

[Quaade]

Personal secrets and governmental secrets are a different matter tho. Whoever is right the government is pushing the envelope on whats accepted by the community by going after him this way, they have to prove that he has done wrong, as the people have the right to know unless it endangers members of the military/military operations/law enforcement etc (you get the drift).

In most cases no, the only difference is the scale of micro- and macrocosm they inhibit.

Your S.O. talk to his/her friends about other people they find attractive, whom they would like to do in their imaginary worlds, how they think someone else is a , but we still talk nice with them when we meet them or have to be around them in order not to create a shitstorm.

Everyone does it, everyone knows everyone else does it or they are very naive. However noone expresses it outside of their close social circle.

This sort of personal information when brought to light has destroyed social lives in the past, good relations shattered and families broken apart because of it. That's just microcosm but it still affects people who are living around the microcosm as they find their surroundings in turmoil as they have to readjust.

Replace the local microcosm with the global macrocosm, those small things that people say about each other, that everyone knows that the others are doing as well but noone says it out loud?
That friendliness between people who know each other but harbours deep personal opinions about the other is called diplomacy on that scale.
Sure one ambassador might think that an is a douche, but trust me, he will be nothing but smiles and politeness to his face. If he isn't whatever service that country provides to your country might be unexpectantly cut off or raised subtlely in price.

Ironically this is something that deeply affects the people who are calling our and supporting this "whistleblowing."

Thats pretty much the way i see how the government should be there for you not taking away your rights and reinforcing laws to take away the essence of freedom itself by witholding information the people need to know instead of locking it away and creating a fabricated reality we see ourselves in today.

Every waking day i look at every government for what they are and never seem to want to trust them at any time because i know what they are capable of creating.

I'm sorry to have to burst your bubbles here, but any law and the upholding of such is removing freedom.

- Laws against theft is taking away freedom from people who like to steal.

- Laws against harming and/or killing people is taking away freedom from people who like to do that.

- Reinforcing speedlimits is taking away freedom from people who like to go fast.

- Laws allowing people to speak their minds is taking away freedom from the people who don't want to listen to them.

The first 3 ones are basic glue that keeps our society together, yet they are "oppressive" and removing personal freedom, everyone, well most, accepts them however as it would be anarchy without it.

The last however is the most ironic of laws, it is the very foundation of democracy and freedom, yet it's still inhibitive and removes our freedom.
If I disagree with you, which I do, there is nothing I can do on this planet to stop you from saying it, or meaning it, that wouldn't result in me having broken a law and having my personal freedom removed as a result thereof.

Perhaps you should try and look at your government and appreciate them for the things are upholding, that is your privilige to exist. They aren't gonna knock on your door and drive you away to a labourcamp for having written what you just did, nor are they gonna imprison you or shoot you dead on the spot.

Some places in this thread "V for Vendetta" have been cited, however there are some things about it that needs to be told:

VfV was written at a time where things in Brittain was pretty bleak and were the outlook on how it's creators honestly thought Brittain would end up.
History later proved them wrong and Allan Moore has in interviews regarding the subject flat out said "yes, we were wrong, but at the time the political climate was turning really sour with the Tatcher administration seemingly destroying everything England was."

VfV is a political statement against a regime that never was and never became a reality, but it's created on what the authors thought would be the future.

 

[AceDiamond]

Yeah how dare the FBI do its job. I suppose we should just have them sit around and twiddle their thumbs. Or better yet let's just disband the US Government and replace it with a government by the /b/tard, for the /b/tard. And then when anybody speaks out against them they wind up on a site of confirmed sex offenders or whatever it is that Anonymous loves doing to people who disagree with them.

If Anonymous was really on the side of good they'd stop being Anonymous and be willing to go to jail for their crimes. Yes I said crimes. They've broken the law no matter how you slice it and to say so otherwise and especially to say "because it was the right thing to do" (which is subjective) is not only childish but stupid.

I think thousands of people willing to go to jail for hacking and DDOS'ing websites is a much more powerful statement than a bunch of people going "lol I hack u"

Thats pretty much the way i see how the government should be there for you not taking away your rights and reinforcing laws to take away the essence of freedom itself by witholding information the people need to know instead of locking it away and creating a fabricated reality we see ourselves in today.

Every waking day i look at every government for what they are and never seem to want to trust them at any time because i know what they are capable of creating.

This is a statement made by a child for children. So apparently the government makes up false realities and nobody else? How about all the people's lives that Anonymous likes ruining, or even severly inconveniencing, for laughs, and then they turn around and go "but we're totally the good guys!" Or are we just to assume that anybody who gets on their bad side totally deserved it?

Also what's the point of laws if they aren't enforced by anyone? And I really have to wonder why people think we deserve to know everything that happens (I for one can't wait to read through paper after paper of appropriations report and go "$2 million for PAPERCLIPS? MY TAXES AT WORK?"), and furthermore, I wonder why people think that if the US Government were to hypothetically stop all secrecy that the world would magically play along and stop being secretive as well. Get your head out of the clouds and take a real look at the world sometimes.

 

[DarkBlueDarZ]

"hosted an IRC chat"

Is that their formal charge I wonder heheh

 

[Josh123914]

Consequences will never be the same! Anonymous Dun Goofed!

Anonymous is like a hydra, each individual involved in a single head, cut one off and over 9000 will replace it. Amirite guys?

I will not lie, I LOL'd at this quote, and it was 2 in the morning on new years so it didn't go down to well with my family

 

[Kuala BangoDango]

Sad thing is, once the FBI find the people who did it, they'll just turn around and hire them to work for them as well paid "consultants" to help stop other hackers.

Don't see what's so sad about it. Use a thief to catch a thief, plus it gives them a chance to use their talents for pay/good use.

Because it's hypocritical and legitimizes, and rewards, criminal activity. It's saying "Hey, this is a crime...unless it's for our side", or "If you want to commit crimes then just make sure you get real good at it so that the government will hire you and you can commit crimes legally".

Either hacking is wrong or it's not. Either assassinating people is wrong or it's not. Same for spying, smoking pot, prostitution or whatever.

How is it that one man can get arrested and thrown in prison, ruining his life, for possessing and smoking marijuana and yet another man can openly admit that he did the same thing and we go ahead and make him President of the U.S.?

Why would you or I get fired from our job if we were caught getting a blowjob from another employee while at work yet when the President gets caught he keeps his job and is admired for his way with women?

Why is it o.k. for us to go to another country, blow up their buildings killing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children over the course of the last decade all in the name of "protecting ourselves" and yet when someone else comes into our country, blows up some buildings killing a few thousand innocent men & women all in the name of "protecting themselves" we condemn it as a crime?

I was taught growing up that things are either right or wrong. Now I'm an adult and I see that really things are only wrong when it's the other guy doing it and right if it's us doing it...and it pisses me off.