Feds bust 72 users of a child porn forum.

[Nikokvaj]

Exactly who did these people harm?

The children that were in the porn that?s who.

Did they have any involvement in making the porno?

If not, the only emotion I'm getting from this is that it must be terrible living life in a society so repressed that it won't even allow you to harmlessly satisfy your urges without getting thrown in jail.

Saying pedophilia is a something people should repress and not act out on is like saying the same thing about homosexuality, it's uneducated and it only leads to grave unhappiness in the people suffering from it.

If we allowed these people to act out their impulses in the least harmful way imaginable without judging them, not only would that make them lead a better life, it would also mean their urges would be satisfied and they wouldn't do something worse to actual children.

The idea of victimless crimes has never served society in any way, all it's ever lead to is a black market where the people involved are suffering far worse fates because it's out of the public's eye.

You couldn't be more wrong. Rejecting pedophilia as wrong and harmful to society isn't repression, its preservation of society.

You're comparing pedophilia to homosexuality?? really? Apples and oranges isn't even in it for that comparison. Also you seem to be saying that people "suffer" from homosexuality, and while I'm straight I bet many homosexuals would beg to differ that.

Heh, i'm pretty new around here...is this type of "reasoning" common on this forum? I didn't expect to see anyone defending pedophilia on a gaming website.

I'm comparing them in the way that you can't choose what turns you on, and just as homosexuals have acquired a taste for their own gender, as have paedophiles acquired a taste for small children. It's not pretty to think about but the pragmatic thing to do would be to find a way for them to live out their urges without harming anyone.

Instead people just straight out lynch them and call for lethal injections. The comparisson with homosexuality is even more valid for that reason, since homosexuals still receive the same treatment in many parts of the world.

Incorrect. Nobody "acquires" sexual "tastes". (you mean orientation) You're born with em hard wired. And while I'm glad that society is working to become more accepting of those who are attracted to adults of the same sex. I roundly reject that the same acceptance should be extended to those who are attracted to children. Its not acceptable.

People call for the injections because there's no fixing these defective people. Yea, that's not pragmatic, but its the hard truth. If you are unfortunate enough to be so defective that youre attracted to children, then your life should pretty much suck. You should be tormented by urges that you can NEVER EVER indulge. Because honestly I care less about protecting the quality of life of a defective pervert than protecting the innocence of a child.

How lonely it must be on that pedestal of yours, I doubt anyone could ever get up there to share your black and white tunnel vision view of the world.

It's our responsibility as a society to do anything we can to help these people, and there are plenty of ways I can think of right off the bat. Hentai for one, or maybe we should supply psychiatrist with floppy discs filled with child pornography that has in some way been deemed as no longer legitimizing an illegal industry. Medical CP if you will.

It sounds far out, but that's the problem with victimless crimes. There's no sane way around them because the laws behind them are insane to begin with.

Nope, I am very not special in my absolute rejection of pedophilia. I got plenty of company "on my pedestal" (lol)

Its our responsibility as a society to protect children. I would be all about helping pedophiles if I could believe that there is way to help them, but the truth is there isn't a way to help them, they are born with this defect and there is no fixing it.

The things you suggest to "help them" are actually just enabling them to indulge, not doing anything to correct the problem. And the idea that CP could be produced (think about what that entails) for doctors to hand out is so unbelievably bad that I begin to wonder if you're not just making this argument for laughs.

Well that's because you completely misunderstood the argument. I'm not talking about producing it, I'm talking about using what's already out there.

Besides, I shouldn't be the one giving people ideas, I'm sure there are people out there more suited than me, who know a hell of a lot more than me about these things, but nobody listens to them because of people like you, shouting "lethal injection!" at the mere notion of paedophilia.

And there is a way to help these people. We can let them have access to all the child porn we want, as long as we make sure that we aren't actually paying anyone to make it in the process. That way they satisfy their urges, and we avoid them having to look into black market sources, where children are harmed every day.

Still wrong.

1. Never said injections myself. So kindly refrain from saying that I did.
2. Oh, so as long as a child has previously suffered in its making as opposed to currently or recently then child porn is ok for therapeutic reasons?? No, just wrong. The stuff that exists currently is illegal to posses so who's going to be like here ya go government, give this to the doctors...


I don't understand the outpouring of pro child porn and pedophilia notions that have sprung up in this thread.

I mean ya, its a bit barbaric to call for drawing and quartering, but its just idiotic to think that allowing pedos unlimited access to child porn is any kind of solution to anything.

But it is a solution. If we allow these people to possess cp that we have ensured is not in any way still legitimizing the industry, then their urges are satisfied and not only will they not look into sites that offer contemporary materiel still in production, but they will also be under the monitoring of a psychiatrist who can give them constructive ways to deal with their problem.

And since the porn has already been produced, no children are harmed in the process.

Everyone wins, except for illegal immigrants, smokers, SUV-owners and the obese, who will instead become the targets of the misdirected anger of the Colosseum crowd.

 

[Julianking93]

I don't care if it violates the law, put these bastards on death row.

They deserve all the hate they get.

*EDITED INTENSE CURSING*

No. Death is way too good for them.

More on topic, this is sickening. I hope they catch every one of these bastards and they get sent to prison and suffer for the rest of their miserable lives.

Child pornography is bad enough in itself but... specifically asking to see them suffer... I'm gonna be sick.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I'm not hating them because of who they are. I hate them because of what they do. I'm saying we shouldn't allow people in who watch porn that involves children. You're saying we should.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I have never said we should allow them to watch child pornography. I said that we should not condemn them for doing so and instead try and rehabilitate them or at the very least help them cope with their illness.

How funny. I have a friend right across the room who is schizphrenic. He want's me to relay a nice "Eff you" to you for comparing what he has to go with to pedophiles in any way shape or form.

I have an uncle who is schizophrenic. He physically assaulted my mother whilst she was pregnant with me and physically assaulted me when I was 13.

I should also note that I detest this socital aditute that when people do stupid things, it's somehow not their fault. That this somehow absolves them of what they've done.

Yes because mental illnesses should totally be equated with doing stupid shit.

 

[Himmelgeher]

Some hippy liberal douches out there like to think that the only purpose of correctional facilities should be to rehabilitate or have a preventive effect, and that actual punishment accomplishes nothing.

But what do they know.

The fuck do I care what your political alignment is? I'm a Libertarian but I'm more liberal than I am conservative. This isn't about politics, this is about a very basic distinction between right and wrong, and viewing the abuse of a child for sexual gratification is very very wrong. What's worse is creating, abusing a child so that you can have a fucking orgasm. It's sickening and atrocious. There is no reason, no excuse for their actions. I don't give two halves of a fuck what their excuse is. What they did was evil, and they should be punished for such actions. Yes, correctional facilities should be used to rehabilitate criminals. They aren't criminals anymore. Being a criminal implies a basic level of humanity that these people don't posses. They deserve to die. It's not about preventing future crimes, it's about justice. These things deserve justice. They deserve to suffer for what they've done. I've said it before and I'll say it again, for them, there is no hope, no redemption, no reason, and no compassion. All they should be allowed to look forward to is when their suffering will finally end. They are monsters, and should be treated as such.

 

[DesiPrinceX09]

Wow...those rules and everything else about that site is just...disturbing (to put it mildly).

Calm down people, no need to get all barbaric; we are above that, right?

Good work feds, these are the guys you need to be hunting down instead of checking every Muslim for bombs.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I'm not hating them because of who they are. I hate them because of what they do. I'm saying we shouldn't allow people in who watch porn that involves children. You're saying we should.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I have never said we should allow them to watch child pornography. I said that we should not condemn them for doing so and instead try and rehabilitate them or at the very least help them cope with their illness.

How funny. I have a friend right across the room who is schizphrenic. He want's me to relay a nice "Eff you" to you for comparing what he has to go with to pedophiles in any way shape or form.

I have an uncle who is schizophrenic. He physically assaulted my mother whilst she was pregnant with me and physically assaulted me when I was 13.

I should also note that I detest this socital aditute that when people do stupid things, it's somehow not their fault. That this somehow absolves them of what they've done.

Yes because mental illnesses should totally be equated with doing stupid shit.

It's a cycle. Something goes from being illegal to being an illness only. Then it get its own advocay group. Then people who decry them are phobic. It never fails.

Then why are you sticking your neck out for the guy?

Show me where science says being a pedophile means you no longer have free will.

 

[KiqJaq]

As for helping them, pedophile can't come forward. In many cases they would face reporting under child protection laws, even if they haven't yet committed a crime. It's a little unfortunate really as a professional might find a way to help them deal with their urges safely instead of acting out.

Yes it's a shame that they have to hide that even if they've done nothing wrong, but professional help? Maybe it's just me, but I get the idea that most people are able to control their sexual urges reasonably well, even if the urges are strange, and that it's a small minority that actually creates the illegal material.

Maybe I'm just defensive though since one of my better friends is an admitted pedophile who has no difficulty controlling himself the way everyone else does.

Anyways, I say jail/rehabilitate the ones who made the child porn and abused children, and let anyone who's done nothing but jack off go about their lives with a slap on the wrist.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I understand that real kids are being abused in those videos but you cannot condemn pedophiles for watching those videos ince they are mentally ill. At the very least you should attempt to stop the distribution of such material but condemning someone for looking at it by throwing them in jail for fuck know's how many years is not something I can condone.

Dude. They where also {B]making it.[/B] Even in the cases where they where not, they where advocating the torture of children. I have a lolita complex myself. I don't think pedophiles should be thrown to the lions just for having thoughts. But these guys crossed the line.

There is no evidence that they were producing child pornography. What the article said was that they were distributing it which is an entirely different thing altogether. Still, this isn't just about them. This is about how pedophiles are treated in a court of law and are denied any sort of treatment in favor of being sent to a correctional facility where they will most likely die or suffer grevious injury for having a mental illnes.

I am not saying that those who produce child pornography should not be punished. They clearly suffer from more than just pedophilia and whilst counceling is something they should go through I do not believe they will be capable of reintegrating into society. Still, sending them into a prison where they will most likely be killed is not something I can condone even if their actions were absolutely disgusting.

 

[AstylahAthrys]

They are disgusting people. How could anyone ever want to see a child suffer? Horrible people. Just horrible.

Is it wrong that I hope that the ones who produced it get some prison buttsex? Not the ones who just looked, I just want them locked up, but the ones who actually hurt children. I hope they become some thug's ***** to know how it feels.

Disgusting.

 

[Nikokvaj]

Some hippy liberal douches out there like to think that the only purpose of correctional facilities should be to rehabilitate or have a preventive effect, and that actual punishment accomplishes nothing.

But what do they know.

The fuck do I care what your political alignment is? I'm a Libertarian but I'm more liberal than I am conservative. This isn't about politics, this is about a very basic distinction between right and wrong, and viewing the abuse of a child for sexual gratification is very very wrong. What's worse is creating, abusing a child so that you can have a fucking orgasm. It's sickening and atrocious. There is no reason, no excuse for their actions. I don't give two halves of a fuck what their excuse is. What they did was evil, and they should be punished for such actions. Yes, correctional facilities should be used to rehabilitate criminals. They aren't criminals anymore. Being a criminal implies a basic level of humanity that these people don't posses. They deserve to die. It's not about preventing future crimes, it's about justice. These things deserve justice. They deserve to suffer for what they've done. I've said it before and I'll say it again, for them, there is no hope, no redemption, no reason, and no compassion. All they should be allowed to look forward to is when their suffering will finally end. They are monsters, and should be treated as such.[/quote]

And that's your opinion.

But those of us with a sane view on morality and correction would rather try to help them before seeing them burn, and sure hope that the tax dollars we give to correctional facilities are being spent on personnel with a level of ambition going a little bit higher than simply "no hope"

 

[Dogstile]

Kill them. Just fucking kill them. They have actively and gleefully caused suffering to children for their own twisted sense of pleasure, I don't care if they're men, women, or anything in between! I don't care if they're 18 or 80, I don't care how it's done. Just, do it.

For what they've done, these -things- hold no right to life, every allowed instant of their putrid existance is a vile insult to every child, to every boy and girl, that has had their innocence, and undoubtedly, tragically for some, their desire to live completely and utterly annihilated.

Call me an extremist, I don't care. For their crimes, they are no longer human beings, but dangerous beasts, and you don't 'help' beasts, you put them down for the good of the innocent, to protect what those beasts would destroy, to shield those they would harm for reasons no human being could, nor would want to comprehend.

For the tragedies that have befallen those they have harmed, for those they would seek to harm, for those that would protect the innocent lives they would destroy...

Make. Them. Pay.

Unless they were on the forums "SuperVIP" register, I doubt they deserve to be put down. Only the SuperVIP people were the ones that actively harmed children.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

It's a cycle. Something goes from being illegal to being an illness only. Then it get its own advocay group. Then people who decry them are phobic. It never fails.

Then why are you sticking your neck out for the guy?

Show me where science says being a pedophile means you no longer have free will.

I never said they don't have free will, I said that their actions were influenced by their mental illness and that you cannot blame them for not being able to resist the urge. Look, I've already provided an example of this but you obviously ignored it so here it is again.

Can you honestly say that you can go for an entire year without being sexually aroused or attracted to a person that fits your criteria of attractiveness and that you will never fantasize about them in a sexual manner or entertain the idea of watching pornographic material which involves said person?

 

[triggrhappy94]

that's so fucked up

The only bright side (other than that they got caught) is that pedophiles are at the bottom of the prison rape chain

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Yes it's a shame that they have to hide that even if they've done nothing wrong, but professional help? Maybe it's just me, but I get the idea that most people are able to control their sexual urges reasonably well, even if the urges are strange, and that it's a small minority that actually creates the illegal material.

Maybe I'm just defensive though since one of my better friends is an admitted pedophile who has no difficulty controlling himself the way everyone else does.

Anyways, I say jail/rehabilitate the ones who made the child porn and abused children, and let anyone who's done nothing but jack off go about their lives with a slap on the wrist.

I agree that we should jail those people who produce child pornographic material and those who molest children. Still, pedophiles who watch child pornography should, if caught, not be sent to prison but helped through therapy or any other means necessary. If we can remove the stygma associated with pedophilia then maybe more pedophiles will admit their illness and get help.

If your friend can control his urges then that's a good thing. Still, it would be in his best interests to seek professional help. I cannot recommend doing so currently and the reasons should be obvious.

 

[ShakyFt Slasher]

Ugh it would have been nice for Anon to attack these evil people instead of the PSN.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

It's a cycle. Something goes from being illegal to being an illness only. Then it get its own advocay group. Then people who decry them are phobic. It never fails.

Then why are you sticking your neck out for the guy?

Show me where science says being a pedophile means you no longer have free will.

I never said they don't have free will, I said that their actions were influenced by their mental illness and that you cannot blame them for not being able to resist the urge. Look, I've already provided an example of this but you obviously ignored it so here it is again.

Can you honestly say that you can go for an entire year without being sexually aroused or attracted to a person that fits your criteria of attractiveness and that you will never fantasize about them in a sexual manner or entertain the idea of watching pornographic material which involves said person?

Could I? Likely no. Hardly the same though.

Fantasy is one thing. We aren't talking about people who entertained the idea of watching children in porn. We're talking about people who did. THEREIN LIES THE DISTINCTION!

"No. Some choices... they are simply wrong. Love [or in this case, desire] may make them more dificult to resist, but they are still wrong."

People don't change unless you tell them that what they are doing is wrong. And that's my problem. This whole "It's a mental illness" seeks to absolve them of responsibility.

 

[Himmelgeher]

And that's your opinion.

But those of us with a sane view on morality and correction would rather try to help them before seeing them burn, and sure hope that the tax dollars we give to correctional facilities are being spent on personnel with a level of ambition going a little bit higher than simply "no hope"

So because I disagree with you (albeit, on a fundamental level) I'm insane? You actually managed to contradict yourself inside of two sentences. I'm impressed. And who said anything about correctional services. Just kill them. I have a question for you. Were you ever raped by a pedophile? Do you know anyone who was? They can't be fixed. They can't be treated or saved. And even if they could, they wouldn't deserve it. They are evil. Period. I wouldn't try to rehabilitate any of them any more than I'd try to rehabilitate a serial killer. They are beyond repair. They deserve to die. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[FalloutJack]

Were any of them priests?