Feminist Kickstarter Project gets Harassed/Threatened

[Zer_]

In the end, the idea that characters in games affects a man's perspective on women is as bullshit as the hypothesis that violent video games can cause violence. Games are an escape/outlet and a form of entertainment. It's all about fantasy, and yes men have power fantasies, just like women have their own versions of these fantasies. Violent people will be attracted by violent games. Misogynist, horny men will be attracted by sex sims, or games with "sexy" characters.

The best and only solution is properly educating the young. In doing so you teach these kids to be more critical about the media they consume.

 

[Moromillas]

No... No, no no no. The whole thing, is ridiculous. First of all, it's fantasy land. The women being objectified are, NOT REAL! They, DO NOT constitute REAL PEOPLE. Why the fuck would anyone give two shits. I read in an article the other day (on the escapist) about a man that was charged for drawing pictures of cartoon children in a sexual way, and that he was able to appeal until the high court said that the pictures are "not real" and dropped the charges. And everyone in the discussion thread was like "Fuck yeah! Sanity prevails!" "Of course they're not fucking real, finally some sanity." Yet video games are the exception to this? No, they, are, not! No they don't have human rights or feelings, they're not role models or accurate representations of women, they're entirely fictional. They are a pile of pixels formed by applying a texture to a 3d model in a 3d application. Jesus fucking Christ.

Yes the threats are immature and stupid, but what the fuck did people think was going to happen? There are actual real life problems out there that people can spend money on. Like in some countries there's still legalized stoning, in some countries there are still punishments for women that cheat on their husbands, still cases of women being forced to marry their rapist, still places where women don't have control over their own reproductive organs due to some bullshit dinosaur theocracy, still places where women are criminalized and put in danger for doing whatever they want with their own body, still places where women get scraps or just don't have paid fucking maternity fucking leave... And people want to pay money to have someone ***** about how female characters don't have enough clothing, in video games? WHAT!!? WHAT THE FUCK!!

What really pisses me off is that the mouth breathers that are actually donating to this crap aren't doing this for women's rights. No, no they're not. They're doing it for purely selfish reasons, they're paying money, to make themselves feel good about something. Instead of actually trying to make everything fair and square in the world, they pay some functional psycho to get in front of a camera and spout generous nuggets of shit about things she doesn't like in video games, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. What a fucking waste. Incredibly stupid douchebags that just pay some money, sit back, and feel good about themselves. No, that doesn't make you an "enlightened" person. No, it doesn't make you a supporter of women's rights. No, it isn't a contribution towards a better-and-brighter society. No, it won't let you take control of other peoples intellectual property in order to meddle with the characters. No, you aren't a decent person if you donate money to this shit. Ok, that's enough for today. More and more of this shit seems to surface everywhere and I'm tired of it, I'm fucking tired of it.

 

[Schadrach]

Ugh, it's not just gamers, it's everywhere. Feminists are looked upon as something extreme in all sectors of society. It's such a shame that humanity is still so uncivilized that they can't listen to a woman like Sarkeesian without all the immature reactions. I hope the government gets involved and fines some of these people. There is no excuse for threatening others; the Internet is not an excuse to lower standards of behavior.

Two things, one feminists get vilified because many of them have said things deserving it, and it gets applied across the group. Rather like how one can bait a group of 4chan trolls and declare them proof of the horrors of the gaming community.

I could manage posting theats on YouTube without being tracked down without all that much effort, tools for browsing and thus posting anonymously exist. There are quite literally apps for that, for example TOR (The Onion Router).

Bullshit this is the gaming community, this was spammed on 4chan (presumably by the woman herself) who then probably raided the comments. Not that Youtube is a gaming site anyway.

So 4chan is not a big part of the gaming community? I mean, they are used as an excuse by many, the behaviour online is like from people on 4chan and every situation even close related to treating women like actual humans was met with same hostility as this project. I linked you two stories that were prominent, there are sure more than those. In both cases the forum community here and in many other defended this behaviour or tried to excuse that.

Yeah, 4chan is pretty much like the gaming community... because they are part of it.

To continue from my position above:

...and I can post quotes by MacKinnon, Daly, Solanas, Dworkin, or just about anyone on RadicalHub that say terrible, terrible things. Therefore feminists are are evil. I'm going to use the standard feminist response with a single word swapped out as a defense here: Gaming Is Not A Monolith.

She is on the right side, equalism, but she doesn't do her job very well. She also believes in the patriarchy.

Is she really? Any demonstration of this? What I see is someone very internet and media savy who basically tricked 4chan and YouTube trolls in to making her ~130k dollars she wouldn't have otherwise made, by letting her play the victim card.

No comment on her reasearch fails, there are quite a few mistakes like that if you are actually familiar with the works she's discussed.

How exactly are these insults not gender-based:
- Threat of rape

Anyone can be raped, not only women. Thanks for being so sensitive to any male survivors out there as to claim that they don't exist.

- Calling her a '****'
- Telling her to stay in the kitchen
- Telling her she should shut up and make sandvich
- Accusing her of being a lesbian

Have you not met internet trolls before? They will attack any feature of you that is recognizeable, especially if there are convenient slurs and common attack patterns for that trait. I'm a fat, white, long haired, bearded guy, they'd use different choices of insult if they were trolling me, but you can bet that some or all of the things I mentioned would come up. The ones you named there are the "standard" attacks to use on a feminist woman.

- Saying women shouldn't have any opinion or any say

You disregard the fact that many of the insults slung at her were for her BEING A WOMAN. That's what makes it sexist.[/quote]

There's actually a feminist pejorative having an opinion that disagrees with them while male, "mansplaining", as well.

No Glenn Beck here.

Are you able to address the facts and reasoning I stated - that charges would surely be filed were it so but this has not come to pass, and that feminists have been playing the victim card while committing violence and threats of their own - or have you nothing but insults and strawman?

It can be difficult to file charges against YouTube trolls, if said trolls know what they are doing, see bit about anonymous internet, above.

I don't get why there's so much opposition to her making these video's. It's not like the problem doesn't exist or something. And if people are saying "men are stereotyped too", why don't they start a project looking at stereotypes of men in games? It would be interesting looking at both how men and women are portrayed in games. It's beyond me that someone would threaten death and rape to someone who's basically doing an investigation into a relevant matter.

There actually is a group that started a similar project looking at misandry and male roles in video games. With a jab at Anita thrown in there (they're going to donate all unused funding to charity, and anticipate spending exactly none of it because they already have cameras and equipment, much like Anita herself). Jim Sterling did an article attacking the project on GameFront. An array of people have mocked the project in various ways, including statements amounting to "Misandry doesn't exist" and "Misandry exists, but isn't important", and at least one that tagged their tweet #killallnerds and #murdereverygamer, though no actual death threats have been posted. Maybe if there was an attempt to bait trolls, and maybe if it wasn't so close to Anita's campaign (I'm pretty sure there's a refractory period of sorts to extreme trolling) we'd see worse, though it's got a lot fo time left.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Anyone can be raped, not only women. Thanks for being so sensitive to any male survivors out there as to claim that they don't exist.

I'm not sure who is being insensitive...those who claim rape is primarily an issue of male on female violence, or those who choose only to reference male on male or female on male rape as some kind of rebuttal or attack when confronted by the specter of feminism. I'm honestly not sure how it's relevant. It's like addressing a question of starvation in the third world by insisting that it get recognized that people starve in the first world too, as though that were somehow a conversation ending remark.

I don't require that every single discussion regarding women's rights or the treatment of women automatically claw in men's rights or the treatment of men in order to balance the fucking scales. The fact so many guys on this site and out there in the world in general do is just flat out perplexing. It's a profound manifestation of insecurity.

Could it be a coincidence that the same website/forums that spawn a new "How on earth do I get a girlfriend / I've been friend zoned again / Women are an unutterable mystery" thread every 3.6 seconds also contains an unusually prominent demographic of the "BOOGA BOOGA FEMINISM IS TERRIFYING" stripe? Perhaps that is coincidental correlation. I'll let you decide, you seem like a learned chap.

 

[twohundredpercent]

You guys know she isn't sucking your dicks anytime soon, you can stop white knighting.

 

[Schadrach]

Anyone can be raped, not only women. Thanks for being so sensitive to any male survivors out there as to claim that they don't exist.

I'm not sure who is being insensitive...those who claim rape is primarily an issue of male on female violence, or those who choose only to reference male on male or female on male rape as some kind of rebuttal or attack when confronted by the specter of feminism. I'm honestly not sure how it's relevant. It's like addressing a question of starvation in the third world by insisting that it get recognized that people starve in the first world too, as though that were somehow a conversation ending remark.

I think you missed something, I was replying to someone who literally said:

How exactly are these insults not gender-based:
- Threat of rape

by pointing out that rape, you know, is not gender specific and it is very insensitive to male victims to pretend they don't exist by saying that it is gender-specific. In fact, if you look at the semi-recent CDC study, for the past 12 months number (which would be the best estimate for current rate of offense as opposed to historical rate of offense) the number of men and women who have been forced to engage in sexual intercourse through force, the threat of force, or while unconscious, intoxicated, or otherwise incapable of consent are very, very similar [footnote]note that female on male cases are not counted as "rape" but as "being made to penetrate"[/footnote], with most men being the victims of women and most women being the victims of men.

You guys know she isn't sucking your dicks anytime soon, you can stop white knighting.

^^ This does not help anyone in any fashion. Seriously.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I think you missed something, I was replying to someone who literally said:

How exactly are these insults not gender-based:
- Threat of rape

by pointing out that rape, you know, is not gender specific and it is very insensitive to male victims to pretend they don't exist by saying that it is gender-specific. In fact, if you look at the semi-recent CDC study, for the past 12 months number (which would be the best estimate for current rate of offense as opposed to historical rate of offense) the number of men and women who have been forced to engage in sexual intercourse through force, the threat of force, or while unconscious, intoxicated, or otherwise incapable of consent are very, very similar, with most men being the victims of women and most women being the victims of men.

Well, here's the thing. I don't want to fuss with that statistic, but my girlfriend is 5'8 and weighs about 130 lbs. I'm 6'3 and weigh 190. The likelihood of her being able to physically force me into intercourse lies somewhere in the magical land between slim and none, whereas in the inverse I represent a serious physical threat to her. What's the average height/weight for women? And for men? Muscle mass? Can you appreciate why the threat of imminent sexual violence would be a more pressing concern for women then for men, without necessarily translating appreciation of that fact into disrespect for those men who have been raped by women?

Have you EVER feared rape? I know I haven't. I've never once thought "Boy, I could get raped here". Not once. Now that's anecdotal, but there is a reason this dialogue around rape, fear of rape, and how to prevent rape focuses almost entirely on women. You can assume that reason is because women are more likely to be the victim of sexual violence than me. Or you can assume the reason is because a vast sea of female on male rapes are going unreported because of male stoicism and deep seated gender bias. Which of those scenarios seems more likely?

So while I understand your point that the threat of rape isn't really gender based in a purely technical sense, I also appreciate why its primarily and historically been viewed as a "woman's issue".

 

[McMarbles]

You guys know she isn't sucking your dicks anytime soon, you can stop white knighting.

Nobody could possibly be defending her simply because it's the right thing to do.

Captcha: path less taken. Sadly, it seems like this IS the path less taken on game boards.

 

[aestu]

Nobody could possibly be defending her simply because it's the right thing to do.

It isn't the right thing to do, because she's a liar and hatemonger.

If her hysterical accusations had any truth to them, there would be the evidence (IPs etc) to charge those responsible. It won't happen because the accusations are self-serving lies.

As has already been proven, her "research" is also lies, consisting of deliberately dishonest depictions of media to support her dishonest argument.

This person is a con artist and hatemonger. Defending a con artist who spews hate speech towards men everywhere is not "right".

 

[McMarbles]

Nobody could possibly be defending her simply because it's the right thing to do.

It isn't the right thing to do, because she's a liar and hatemonger.

If her hysterical accusations had any truth to them, there would be the evidence (IPs etc) to charge those responsible. It won't happen because the accusations are self-serving lies.

As has already been proven, her "research" is also lies, consisting of deliberately dishonest depictions of media to support her dishonest argument.

This person is a con artist and hatemonger. Defending a con artist who spews hate speech towards men everywhere is not "right".

You're screaming "con artist" and "hatemonger" and she's the hysterical one. For making videos.

...right.

 

[Hawgh]

I suppose it's technically possible to disagree with the necessity for the lady's videos. I could conceive that one might think they should be produced free of any voluntary payment.

I also think that the vast majority of the shitstormin' shitlords aren't too concerned with anything but entitled, reflexive whining.

I reached this conclusion through analysis of the counterarguments presented, commonly referring to miss I-forget-her-name as a: [misogynist slur] [dismissive misogynism] [slur for genitalia] [antisemitic non-sequitor].

In most cases, that's really the totality of the argument; Sexist, racist word-vomit.

Not buying the righteous outrage at improperly allocated funds.

Honestly, my greatest hope is that it's just a ridiculously widespread trolling effort. But I'm not giving that good odds.

 

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Have you EVER feared rape? I know I haven't. I've never once thought "Boy, I could get raped here". Not once. Now that's anecdotal, but there is a reason this dialogue around rape, fear of rape, and how to prevent rape focuses almost entirely on women. You can assume that reason is because women are more likely to be the victim of sexual violence than me. Or you can assume the reason is because a vast sea of female on male rapes are going unreported because of male stoicism and deep seated gender bias. Which of those scenarios seems more likely?

To be honest, no I'm not afraid of rape, however after an neighbor in my dorm got drugged and raped (yeah... drugs are a *****, how strong you are means nothing.) I would say that I'm cautious when dealing with women in clubs now. I think once it enters your life in some form (especially when it's another male and your male), you go well crap, I guess I do have to worry about it. It just happened to this dude and he lived 3 doors down from my dorm room. I don't need to have the same happen to me. I doubt the police did anything useful either.

That is why the power fantasy for both genders is simply your ideal self at it's full potential to have you attract your partner. That is why I see it as simply the opposite of the same coin.

Don't you think that's a bit of an oversimplification? You yourself acknowledge that human motivations are quite complex. Doesn't it then seem unfair to say, "But if we keep following the trail on and on and on and on and on, it all comes down to sex anyway, so clearly there's no difference."?

When it comes to the survival of the species? Yes. What I did say is a really down and dirty explanation of it. I just understand under the cascade of "stuff" that the final end result is sex and reproduction. When you examine society in this way you start to see the spider web of how everything leads together to this one purpose.

I haven't even touched the ranking system among males and females as well, nor do I have a desire to because that's not apart of the discussion. I am also willingly to admit that on that particular subject, I am not as well versed though I am educated a bit on it.

You can call it what you like, but when your ex ditched you for another guy, you tend to ask why it happened and try to understand how it transpired. I turned to psychology and biology for the answer and now I'm better prepared for the next relationship because I understand what the core principles of what she wants.

Now it doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the starting points of relationships/power fantasies - they are as equally valuable as the end point. I just know the end destination is all. The journey and how you do it is what matters to me. It's not what your saying or doing that matters, it's HOW you go about it that matters. If people kept that in mind, I honestly think there would be alot less problems on earth.

But yes, that is why I think any male or female power fantasy is what you envision would be attractive to the other gender.

-edit-
IF your curious, yeah, she ditched me because I wouldn't get apartment (shelter) with her because we could take advantage of FAFSA to help pay for our college dorms while for apartments we would be on my own. Not to mention we weren't financially sound and be scrapping by for months on end. Not exactly an ideal situation which many males would have done what I said "We can't afford it. We would be cramming 5-6 people in one small apartment. Dorms are better".

Intentionally putting yourself in jeopardy without a battle plan is dumb. And before anyone ask, yeah I know now saying no was like I didn't want to proceed with the relationship with her. I didn't know that and she went off with a friend who had the means to do it.

 

[Ryotknife]

Anyone can be raped, not only women. Thanks for being so sensitive to any male survivors out there as to claim that they don't exist.

I'm not sure who is being insensitive...those who claim rape is primarily an issue of male on female violence, or those who choose only to reference male on male or female on male rape as some kind of rebuttal or attack when confronted by the specter of feminism. I'm honestly not sure how it's relevant. It's like addressing a question of starvation in the third world by insisting that it get recognized that people starve in the first world too, as though that were somehow a conversation ending remark.

I don't require that every single discussion regarding women's rights or the treatment of women automatically claw in men's rights or the treatment of men in order to balance the fucking scales. The fact so many guys on this site and out there in the world in general do is just flat out perplexing. It's a profound manifestation of insecurity.

Could it be a coincidence that the same website/forums that spawn a new "How on earth do I get a girlfriend / I've been friend zoned again / Women are an unutterable mystery" thread every 3.6 seconds also contains an unusually prominent demographic of the "BOOGA BOOGA FEMINISM IS TERRIFYING" stripe? Perhaps that is coincidental correlation. I'll let you decide, you seem like a learned chap.

guys also have a massive structural weakness in the groin. the women could be 4'10" and one kick can still easily knock out a much taller much stronger man. maybe if the guy was juicing on steroids it might not work because of its....side effects on male reproductive organs.

ive been hit with a slapshot to the groin and i blacked out from the pain. Im not talking about busting a nut or a glancing blow, but a full blown critical hit to the groin that makes you wish for death for the next few minutes after being hit.

Although women seem to believe that men are exaggerating how badly it hurts getting hit there. im sure it doesnt hurt anywhere near as much as child birth, but these days you at least get drugs to take some of the edge off.

So yea, in a FAIR fight a guy will have the advantage. but if you are fighting fair when your life is on the line, quite honestly you are an idiot. If you use dirty tactics, it more than evens the playing field, especially since it would be....unusually for a guy who wants to do physical violence to a woman to employ eye gouging, groin strikes, biting, or clawing.

in fact, i would like to know why evolution or whatever deity you believe in deemed to make the groin such a weakspot because it makes no logical sense to me. sure some pain when hit there makes sense because it is your body telling you "hey, that area is important, protect it in the future!". but crippling pain doesnt make any sense, in fact it clearly works against you.

 

[btenkink]

If I had a way to collect tons of cash simply by playing the victim to Youtube trolls, I wouldn't mind a few insults. Sticks and stones and all that; at the end of the day she's raised more than most of the trolls make in a year. It's genius if a bit sleazy.

 

[Schadrach]

Well, here's the thing. I don't want to fuss with that statistic, but my girlfriend is 5'8 and weighs about 130 lbs. I'm 6'3 and weigh 190. The likelihood of her being able to physically force me into intercourse lies somewhere in the magical land between slim and none, whereas in the inverse I represent a serious physical threat to her. What's the average height/weight for women? And for men? Muscle mass? Can you appreciate why the threat of imminent sexual violence would be a more pressing concern for women then for men, without necessarily translating appreciation of that fact into disrespect for those men who have been raped by women?

Raw physical size has little or no impact on cases where the attacker is armed, or where the victim is restrained, drugged, or unconscious. Certainly Bobbit and Catherine Kieu were capable of a different form of sexual violence against their much larger, much stronger husbands. You could also try reading GMP some time, more than a few guys tell their stories there.

Have you EVER feared rape? I know I haven't.

Now for a personal story that I don't particularly like telling:

One night I was running around with a female relative and two of her friends, one male, one female. It was about 2 AM, and I had been up for about 22 hours at that point. I had just met both of these friends of hers that night, and exchanged less than a dozen words with either of them in my life. My relative was drunk, and we stopped in a parking lot, so she could go throw up at a nearby restaurant. Her male friend went with her, her female friend stayed behind. I tilted the seat back and decide to try to squeeze in a catnap since I hadn't slept in 22 hours. I woke up, and was apparently receiving a blowjob, from the previously mentioned woman whom I knew basically nothing about and had exchanged less than a dozen words with. I did not want this, and it wasn't exactly safe to tell her to stop, having no idea how she'd react given that it would be trivial to, you know, bite down and I've seen people react worse for less. I had no idea what she might try next (or rather I had some ideas, but none of them were exactly *good* ideas), and given I hadn't taken my seat belt off before I leaned back and she wasn't exactly a small woman, I couldn't really go anywhere either. I was fortunate enough that my relative and her male friend came back before it went any farther. She glimpsed them coming, got off me, sat up, straightened up her hair, and pretended it didn't happen.

TL;DR, I have been in the position where I was receiving oral sex against my will, initiated while I was unconscious and physically restrained. I got lucky enough that someone returned, interrupting her before it went any farther than that.

I've never once thought "Boy, I could get raped here". Not once. Now that's anecdotal, but there is a reason this dialogue around rape, fear of rape, and how to prevent rape focuses almost entirely on women. You can assume that reason is because women are more likely to be the victim of sexual violence than me. Or you can assume the reason is because a vast sea of female on male rapes are going unreported because of male stoicism and deep seated gender bias. Which of those scenarios seems more likely?

Studies suggest that men under-report being victims of sexual violence more often than women do, even more so when the perpetrator is female, due to social stigma. As for why the dialog surrounding sexual violence (and domestic violence as well, which several studies have suggested is mostly reciprocal and what isn't is somewhat more often perpetrated by women, but not by a huge margin) is invariably centered around female victims and occasionally around male victims of male perpetrators is something that can be placed squarely on the shoulders of feminism, as feminism has the dominant voice in that discourse, and anyone who doesn't disagree with the assumed feminist positions is effectively driven out of the discussion. Erin Prizzey(sp?) is actually a good example of this, given that she created the first woman's shelter, and was basically driven out of her own movement because, in essence, she believed that domestic violence wasn't a one way street and wanted to help male victims as well.

 

[Ryotknife]

So yea, in a FAIR fight a guy will have the advantage. but if you are fighting fair when your life is on the line, quite honestly you are an idiot.

Let's be clear here. The groin is a small target. Going after it is unreliable. Much more practical to go for the torso as that presents the largest target and doesn't move quite as much as something like the head. Kicks are also impractical attacks because legs are not supposed to move like that. They're much slower, have farther to travel, and are more easily blocked.

Fights are not like what you see in the movies. A real fight is quick, ugly and brutal. More often than not, neither party is walking out of it smelling like roses. Fight Club actually has the most accurate portrayal of fights you'll ever see in a movie. These guys can and do get seriously hurt. Often both fighters walk away with bruises and bloody wounds. And if you get into a fight in real life, there's a pretty good chance your opponent has been in fights before and is more experienced than you. Consequently, he's probably also crazier than you and more likely to seriously hurt you.

That said, what does this have to do with his point?

If I had a way to collect tons of cash simply by playing the victim to Youtube trolls, I wouldn't mind a few insults. Sticks and stones and all that; at the end of the day she's raised more than most of the trolls make in a year. It's genius if a bit sleazy.

Why are you calling her sleazy? It was money that her donors gave of their own free will. Look, you guys are going to have to accept at some point that if you support crowdfunding, that means occasionally a project you don't like is going to get funded.

nice thing about attacking the groin, while it is small the opponents legs will "funnel" your attack to the desired location, making the hitbox rather large if we use video game terms. All your kick needs to do to connect is to get in between the legs somewhere, and the opponents body and good ole momentum will take care of the rest. This isnt like a kidney punch or a throat punch, both of which are much harder for the everyman or woman to accomplish.

as for the project, if all she did was get the 6000 dollars she wanted, i wouldnt bat an eye. Yea i believe that the project itself is kinda pointless and doesnt really help anything, but it wont hurt anything either. its the fact that she has gotten...what 160000 dollars? from advertising this controversy/harrassment. Keep in mind, this is not to support some kind of charity.

As for if this is a con, well it all depends on how she uses the money. But i wont be a bit surprised if this was a ploy. People have been killed for significantly less, so i dont think it is a shocker when i say that there are people out there who would go to any lengths to dredge up that kind of cash. and those people come from every conceivable group.

At the very least, it looks sketchy. Maybe this is all one big happy coincidence, but from personal experience ive learned to never underestimate human's capacity for greed.

 

[Ryotknife]

nice thing about attacking the groin, while it is small the opponents legs will "funnel" your attack to the desired location, making the hitbox rather large if we use video game terms. All your kick needs to do to connect is to get in between the legs somewhere, and the opponents body and good ole momentum will take care of the rest. This isnt like a kidney punch or a throat punch, both of which are much harder for the everyman or woman to accomplish.

How many fights have you been in and how many times have they ended with someone successfully kicking you in the nuts? I expect an honest answer.

as for the project, if all she did was get the 6000 dollars she wanted, i wouldnt bat an eye. Yea i believe that the project itself is kinda pointless and doesnt really help anything, but it wont hurt anything either. its the fact that she has gotten...what 160000 dollars? from advertising this controversy/harrassment. Keep in mind, this is not to support some kind of charity.

People still donated freely of their own will. What they did with those contributions is not your decision to make, nor is it any of your business. If some crazy lifer raised an obscene amount of money off of Kickstarter to make a movie about how liberals are all infanticidal psychopaths, I would find the product abhorrent but if people contributed, it's their money.

As for if this is a con, well it all depends on how she uses the money. But i wont be a bit surprised if this was a ploy. People have been killed for significantly less, so i dont think it is a shocker when i say that there are people out there who would go to any lengths to dredge up that kind of cash.

Again, I can't be that cynical. I'm sober.

people donate of their free will towards ponzi schemes, fake charities, or other projects in which the person manipulates the intent or the communities desire to do good for their own ends. Im pretty sure you wouldnt defend those people.......

as for the fights. Have i ever been in a fight in which my life was threatened? no. I have never been in a fight that i couldnt walk away from.

Have i been in fights? yes. usually over pride or honor or something equally foolish. either way it is a fight in which both parties participate voluntarily. Do i employ nut shots in that? no, because it is extremely dishonorable for a guy to punch or kick another guy in the groin during a fair fight. Doing so invalidates your win as you are viewed as worse than scum.

but if someone came at me out of the blue and i was under no obligation to fight fair? you would bet your sweet behind i would use any and all methods at my disposal including nut shots and weapons. Even Bruce lee himself advocated using groin attacks as the simplest method from which to get away from an attacker.

and in my "fair fights" it would be a simple matter to hit them in a groin at almost any point.

sorry, i was in one involuntary fight. a fight in which i couldnt employ a groin attack would be when it was 5v1 and all of my limbs were pinned down. even then i scratched, bite, clawed, and spit my way out, things i would never use in a fair fight. I cant say that im particular PROUD for doing that, but i did what needed to be done

although even in that fight my life was not threatened. at worse i would get a beating.

 

[Ryotknife]

people donate of their free will towards ponzi schemes, fake charities, or other projects in which the person manipulates the intent or the communities desire to do good for their own ends. Im pretty sure you wouldnt defend those people.......

What you described are felonies. Do you have evidence that a felony has taken place here? A simple yes or no, please.

as for the fights. Have i ever been in a fight in which my life was threatened? no. I have never been in a fight that i couldnt walk away from.

Have i been in fights? yes. usually over pride or honor or something equally foolish. either way it is a fight in which both parties participate voluntarily. Do i employ nut shots in that? no, because it is extremely dishonorable for a guy to punch or kick another guy in the groin during a fair fight. Doing so invalidates your win as you are viewed as worse than scum.

but if someone came at me out of the blue and i was under no obligation to fight fair? you would bet your sweet behind i would use any and all methods at my disposal including nut shots and weapons. Even Bruce lee himself advocated using groin attacks as the simplest method from which to get away from an attacker.

and in my "fair fights" it would be a simple matter to hit them in a groin at almost any point.

sorry, i was in one involuntary fight. a fight in which i couldnt employ a groin attack would be when it was 5v1 and all of my limbs were pinned down. even then i scratched, bite, clawed, and spit my way out, things i would never use in a fair fight.

although even in that fight my life was not threatened. at worse i would get a beating.

So the answer to my question is, "One and no." And this is sufficient proof to tell me that one anatomical advantage completely evens the playing field between men and women?

You know, i love how you always jump up and down over anyone you disagree with providing you concrete proof over anything and everything they say when you make arguments without providing any proof as well but act like you are the ultimate right.

Hypocrisy much?

as for my fight argument, i have Bruce freaking Lee in my corner over what people should do if they find themselves in such a situation, and im pretty sure he is (or was) an expert.

And yes, i have first hand experience of what it is like to get hit hard in the groin. If im hit there, im not going to be able to do much of ANYTHING for the next hour, and even after that im going to be walking funny for awhile. and yes, ive been punched in the face, ive been punched in the stomach, ive had my head bounced repeatingly off concrete. none of those attacks compare to a hard nut shot.

 

[Ryotknife]

You know, i love how you always jump up and down over anyone you disagree with providing you concrete proof over anything and everything they say when you make arguments without providing any proof as well but act like you are the ultimate right.

Hypocrisy much?

So no, you can't. A pleasure doing business with you.

as for my fight argument, i have Bruce freaking Lee in my corner over what people should do if they find themselves in such a situation, and im pretty sure he is (or was) an expert.

That doesn't answer my question.

And yes, i have first hand experience of what it is like to get hit hard in the groin. If im hit there, im not going to be able to do much of ANYTHING for the next hour, and even after that im going to be walking funny for awhile.

That's not what I asked.

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field. in fact you havent provided a single shred of any kind of proof anywhere in any of our arguments and yet somehow you have this massive ego that says you are always right. in fact all of your posts give off an attitude that you are the brightest, pure, most enlightened person in this thread and everyone that ever disagrees with you is wrong no matter what. and your pompous attitude is starting to irritate me.

but please continue

you asked for a honest answer, i gave you one. hell i gave you an answer that doesnt exactly show me in the best light, but i did so voluntarily. I could have easily made up an answer that had me looking all macho. Now you are backpedaling so fast im surprised you havent broken your neck yet.

But who am i kidding? you will continue to put your hands over your ears shouting "lalalalala the answer i asked you to give doesnt mean anything because it doesnt conform to my very narrow views" while constantly degrading others opinions.

quite honestly, you are even worse than those people who gave that women death threats. at least they are honest about what they are and make no excuses for their terrible behavior. you on the other hand? who degrade people just as much while maintaining an air of superiority over others? that dishonest representation is even worse in my eyes.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field.

Ehhh...I can't really say I think that they do, man. Yeah it's a weak spot, but it's a weak spot you're aware of from...what? The time you're 4 years old? Most of us are pretty adept at defending the groin. Turn your thigh slightly. Drop your hands. Step BACKWARDS. It's not a difficult attack to deflect. The only groin shots I have ever taken have all been accidents during playful wrestling sessions, and once with a leather puck that left me near catatonic.

I've had girlfriends say "I'd go for the groin" before during discussions of what they might do were they ever attacked, and I've actually discouraged it, because it's so fucking obvious. So no...the existence of my groin does not offset the 60 lbs and 7 inches I have on her. I guess the possibility of a lucky shot exists, but the possibility of me concussing her with one punch is significantly higher. The only self defense technique I ever want to see her attempting to employ against a potential rapist is running away as fast as she can and screaming for help, none of this Bruce Lee the guy in the testicles crap. That's a good way for her to get herself killed.