FF13 rage quit post

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

The series has been dead since XII stuck a stake in its heart; XII tried to resurrect it but only ended up making a soulless zombie out of it. It's really time to move and encourage Square to do things other than this.

 

[AcacianLeaves]

I was posting a reply to the other final fantasy 13 thread when I started putting alot more rage into it than I anticipated and thought maybe its threadworthy;


I tried playing that shite game the other day, I trudged through the auto battle begining, hoping the game might get less incredibly dull when I learn a move other than "attack" and pherhaps something other than press auto battle and watch my character win its own battles becomes viable. Then when I did progress though the tacky cutscenes to playing some cliche metrosexual gang member and finally had a move other than "attack" I call "throw grenade 1 meter onto the floor", my guy died (ironically from a wolf biting him and not the 10 grenades I just recently detonated on myself) and then the game moved me back all the way to when I last saved it at the very beginning. You see square enix had this fantastic idea that to save the game you have to go to little computers in the maps and tell them to save. I asked myself: do I really want to put up with all that drab again just to see if this game does ever get somewhat decent? obviously the answer was no.

Good Lord man if you can't even make it half an hour in to a Final Fantasy game without knowing how to save what business do you have even trying?

It wasn't my favorite entry either, and though I hate the "it gets better after 25 hours" spiel it really does. Apparently everyone in Japan has that kind of time. It's still a pretty terrible game that makes you trudge through an unnecessarily long 'tutorial' before you're actually allowed the full access to the GAME part, but at this point several months out you should have known that shit.

 

[L4hlborg]

I agree that the game is terrible, but I am amazed by it's ability to warrent hate threads this long after its release.

Its getting cheaper and sceptics (like me) of the hate threads want to try it out. Then they ragequit and have to tell everyone about it, which is kind of understandable since the game tries its best to piss you off. And it is really good at it. With the horrible autobattlestart, with the horrible characters, horrible linearity, horribly long cutscenes that require 2 buttons to skip (more annoying than it sounds), horribly jumpy difficulty curve and horrible bullshit instakill moves. I got to 20 hours before the game finally pissed me off so bad that I couldn't continue playing it.

 

[AcacianLeaves]

Seriously? I swear half of the people who moan at FF13 don't even fucking listen to the game. I didn't even have to look at the datalog to figure out what was going on, it sounds like you weren't even giving the game a chance. The game also explains the back story to characters through out the course of the game.

The problem is that the narrative is all fucked up. The game drops names, terms, and places as if we should know what they mean and doesn't explain them until much, much later. To a player that wants to know what the hell everyone is talking about they are going to hit that data log after nearly every cutscene. It's just a really, really bizarre way to tell a story.

The reason that amnesiacs are so popular in sci-fi and fantasy stories is to give the audience someone to relate to. They, like us, are entering this world with no prior knowledge about what makes it differ from our own reality. Having a character that's an amnesiac, an idiot, or a traveler gives the characters a reason to provide exposition without sounding awkward. Final Fantasy 13 forgoes any thought of exposition or explanation and just thrusts us into the world and forces us to rely on oddly placed context clues or an immense data log exposition dump.

Its just a really amateur way to tell a story, and I expected more from Square Enix.

 

[rookie.of.the.year]

I liked XXII too with how it was all open worlded, and I could just run up to any random fiend and bash it without the stupid little battle sequence cutscene thing.

I think thats what I hate most about 13, because that was my least favourite feature in all other FF games that I've played, and I thought they'd surpassed such an annoying feature. But they brought it back!
It just breaks up the game play and makes it fragmenty, and I hate it.

I'm still in the 'tutorial' bit.

 

[Section Crow]

First time i played this game i was hoping it would get better along the way i gave up when i got hope's summon.

Second time i played it (months later) i oddly enjoyed it a lot more and finished

im giving a lot of games second chances they seem better for some reason

 

[Googenstien]

Seems most people who rip the game have hardly played it which is fine I guess.. if y ou dont like it you dont like it. But, with games getting knocked on for being short these days I think this one is pretty long on average - especially if you watch the cut screens fully.

 

[Plinglebob]

The reason that amnesiacs are so popular in sci-fi and fantasy stories is to give the audience someone to relate to. They, like us, are entering this world with no prior knowledge about what makes it differ from our own reality. Having a character that's an amnesiac, an idiot, or a traveler gives the characters a reason to provide exposition without sounding awkward. Final Fantasy 13 forgoes any thought of exposition or explanation and just thrusts us into the world and forces us to rely on oddly placed context clues or an immense data log exposition dump.

Its just a really amateur way to tell a story, and I expected more from Square Enix.

Using an amnesiac is also a really boring way of telling a story thats been used so often its become a bit of a running joke. I agree that its a bizarre way to tell a story, but who is more skilled? A story teller who gives you all the information in big, obvious lumps (like a lot of amnesiac stories) or one that gives the information throughout the story? A lot of the time it seems people who complain about the story never finished the game because by the time you finish the game, the whole story is told, all explainations are given and everyones backstory is explained just like it would have been if you were spoon-fed it.

Edit: Just to clarify, I didn't touch the datalog at all during either playthrough.

 

[Lullabye]

/shrug cant love them all, I found it pretty good and the graphics alone floor me

Graphics arn't everything. I've stopped playing after trying to fight some idiotic summon beast with 50+ arms that pounds me into the ground before I can get my guard up. If I do manage to get my guard up then it takes two rounds to pound me into the ground.

When I try to run, it pounds me into the dust. When I hide behind cover, it plows through my cover and it pounds me into the dust. When I try to follow my teammates, I realize they cannot die, so it's the blind leading the blind and I become a sparrow with brittle bone disease and get pounded into the dirt. - Yahtze

Sorry, couldn't resist, but your situation reminded me of that exactly. Either way, FF13 was probaly one of the most idiotic and horrible games I ever played. Sure the cutscenes are amazing but dear god, that doesn't justify one full playthrough at all.

It reminds me of the fact squareenix openly asked/begged fans regarding this burning question: How will we take the FF franchise from now on?

Well, i kinda like the way they went with Dissidia. I mean, I loooooooove fighting games, so this was like freakin catnip to a cat for me. I kinda wish for the main games that they would go back to exploring tactics grid games. Or maybe do something innovative. Personnaly I'm starting to think FF is a dead series, but I'm waiting til Versus to give my final opinion.

 

[fearofsleep]

i honestly really like this game
while its true that the first 3 hours are just seeing how fast you can pick auto-battle, once you get paradigms and the crystarium the battle system becomes really fun
the story, along with the rest of the game, becomes much better and clearer halfway through
i guess you just need patience

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

sorry for the short reply but seriously...you're an idiot for not saving anyway, have you never played a game that requires more than 3 braincells to play because really, you're ragging on the game because you didn't save and died on chapter 1...you must be really bad because as you put it yourself, the game plays for you.

sorry but I just can't believe anyone died on chapter 1 and didn't save it at every save point they saw...tell me that isn't stupid, please!

EDIT: Also...what the hell, I just remembered that you can retry any battle as many times as you possibly want, what the hell are you complaining for you absolute troll you. you may not like the story so far but you haven't played anything before the concept of any game play got introduced to you.

You sir deserve a medal for stupidest person of the year.

 

[Sassafrass]

I did progress though the tacky cutscenes to playing some cliche metrosexual gang member and finally had a move other than "attack" I call "throw grenade 1 meter onto the floor", my guy died (ironically from a wolf biting him and not the 10 grenades I just recently detonated on myself) and then the game moved me back all the way to when I last saved it at the very beginning. You see square enix had this fantastic idea that to save the game you have to go to little computers in the maps and tell them to save. I asked myself: do I really want to put up with all that drab again just to see if this game does ever get somewhat decent? obviously the answer was no.

...
... ...What? Tell me, had you ever played any J-RPG before this one?
These games don't auto-save to my knowledge. And the saving in FF XIII takes about 5 to 10 seconds. It's not the games fault you didn't save, it's yours. Really, it's not that hard, just go up to the little computer, press a few buttons and save the game. It really is as simple as that.
And as someone said, it gives you the choice to restart any battle you lose, to avoid said incidents happening so...yeah. Pay a lot more attention next time and save the game more then once.

Trust me, it'll help you in the long run.

OT: This sums up what I think about the game. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.203989-Sassafrass-Reviews-Final-Fantasy-13-English-360-and-a-small-extra]

 

[Akihiko]

/shrug cant love them all, I found it pretty good and the graphics alone floor me

Graphics arn't everything. I've stopped playing after trying to fight some idiotic summon beast with 50+ arms that pounds me into the ground before I can get my guard up. If I do manage to get my guard up then it takes two rounds to pound me into the ground.

When I try to run, it pounds me into the dust. When I hide behind cover, it plows through my cover and it pounds me into the dust. When I try to follow my teammates, I realize they cannot die, so it's the blind leading the blind and I become a sparrow with brittle bone disease and get pounded into the dirt. - Yahtze

Sorry, couldn't resist, but your situation reminded me of that exactly. Either way, FF13 was probaly one of the most idiotic and horrible games I ever played. Sure the cutscenes are amazing but dear god, that doesn't justify one full playthrough at all.

It reminds me of the fact squareenix openly asked/begged fans regarding this burning question: How will we take the FF franchise from now on?

Is it any wonder that Square Enix don't know where to take the series? For the past two games they've released in the main series, they've been burned to the ground by old fans because they decided to change things. Take a look at the thread about that news article on escapist and you can see how mixed peoples replies are over the matter. Not even the bloody fans can agree on where the series should go.

I feel sorry for developers in all honesty. People complain if the game stays the same without innovation(Honestly, I'm probably one of those people, I'm sick of seeing the same games re-released over and over, play the original if you love it so much), and people complain if a company tries something new which differs from the original style.

 

[Sassafrass]

Oh its been done before aons ago, but surely after the press start and select save, autosave and even CHECKPOINTS was invented you'd think we didn't have to be forced to replay an entire small section of the game. let alone a section which was basically me watching the ai fight for me.

maybe I will give it another go. I've never liked final fantasy games in the slightest, but the first ever and probably only hot girl I've met who plays games loves them. I'd probably rather be forced to watch twilight or something.

Just found this post, allow me to dissect it for you.

As for the auto-save and other rubbish, it has never been like that in any FF I've played. Every FF I've played (FF VII through to X-2 then XIII) have had save points. It's a tradition for FF games to have them. If they had a menu on which you could scroll down and save, it would remove the challenge that it can give you. And I mentioned and Veldt Falsetto [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.224933.7638369] mentioned, you can replay any fight you lost right from the beginning of said fight, which is kinda like a check-point system. And if I remember correctly, FF XIII is pretty generous with the save points.

And your second paragraph just astounded me.
You've never liked them (FF games), but yet you'll play one just because a girl you like does. You know, she might like you even though you don't like the FF series. I don't do anything I don't enjoy doing/playing. I wouldn't change just because a girl has come along and likes that certain something I happen to hate.

 

[Jupsto]

quick replies to comments:

making you replay sections of game is a cheap lazy development substitute for actual challenging gameplay.

I'm not denying it was a epic fail moment when I died, but first 30 minutes I didn't have to look at my hp bar so I didn't even notice I was dieing.

I DID SAVE, I said in OP it moved me to my last save point. the only save point I encountered I saved at. maybe I didn't see one, but I doubt it the maps are quite literally linear (straight roads ffs).

pokemon is a jrpg which doesn't have save points. so hah your wrong.

if there is a way to redo the battle, dont blame me. blame the stupid game, it automatically put me back to where I was 30 minutes ago. was it stupid to assume I had to replay those 30 minutes? of course not you douchebag.

I find it funny you think its immoral or something xD, to me playing a game to have common ground to talk to someone is a perfectly legit reason to play game.

 

[TheSupremeForce]

Final Fantasy 13 is the best Final Fantasy since the SNES days.

How, exactly? Would you care to elaborate?

I never cared for the pointless wandering through areas that all eventually led to the same place anyway, so being "railroaded" wasn't an issue. The characters actually develop as the story progresses, unlike most FF characters. I enjoyed the combat system (aside from the stupid Persona like idea that "main character death equals losing" aspect).

I've never been a fan of 7 or 8, so there's that aspect, as well. I did really like 9, but didn't think the characters were that great. 10 was fun to play, but I hated the plot and didn't care for most of the characters. 12 had Balthier.

While 9 comes close, I definitely believe that 13 is the best FF since the SNES days.

 

[Brain_Cleanser]

I didn't like Final Fantasy XIII that much either. I hate how if the you are playing as is taken down the game is over. I hate how if the person you are playing as dies the game ends. If one of the other characters in my party have a phoenix down why can't they use it on my character?

The way I interpreted it was that since whoever you were playing was in charge of the WHOLE PARTY, they took getting knocked down THAT MUCH more seriously, and Cie'thed (I think I spelled that right. Haven't played the game in a few months, despite meaning to platinum it) right then and there. You can't phoenix down that shit.

I played FF13 from start to finish and enjoyed every damn second of it. The visuals and voice acting were spectacular, the music divine, and the characters annoying likeable and relateable, and developed alot, like actual people *coughHopecough*. It had its weak points, but EVERY game does. And it gave bosses some actual unrelenting difficulty, cuz, goddamn, I hardly ever have to redo bosses in FF games, it was like I was playing MegaTen.

And I never understood the "It gets better 20 hours in" thing. I thought it was good from start to finish. You get an open world after twenty hours, but that doesn't mean it " got good", you just got more places to walk around. And Chocobos <3.

 

[AcacianLeaves]

I was posting a reply to the other final fantasy 13 thread when I started putting alot more rage into it than I anticipated and thought maybe its threadworthy;


I tried playing that shite game the other day, I trudged through the auto battle begining, hoping the game might get less incredibly dull when I learn a move other than "attack" and pherhaps something other than press auto battle and watch my character win its own battles becomes viable. Then when I did progress though the tacky cutscenes to playing some cliche metrosexual gang member and finally had a move other than "attack" I call "throw grenade 1 meter onto the floor", my guy died (ironically from a wolf biting him and not the 10 grenades I just recently detonated on myself) and then the game moved me back all the way to when I last saved it at the very beginning. You see square enix had this fantastic idea that to save the game you have to go to little computers in the maps and tell them to save. I asked myself: do I really want to put up with all that drab again just to see if this game does ever get somewhat decent? obviously the answer was no.

Good Lord man if you can't even make it half an hour in to a Final Fantasy game without knowing how to save what business do you have even trying?

I hate this whole it gets better after 25 hours bollocks no it fucking doesnt.

I happened to this it was awesome from the start. I am so sick of people ragging on this game.

It wasn't my favorite entry either, and though I hate the "it gets better after 25 hours" spiel it really does. Apparently everyone in Japan has that kind of time. It's still a pretty terrible game that makes you trudge through an unnecessarily long 'tutorial' before you're actually allowed the full access to the GAME part, but at this point several months out you should have known that shit.

Wait, what? Those don't appear to be the words that I used. What sorcery is this?

Using an amnesiac is also a really boring way of telling a story thats been used so often its become a bit of a running joke. I agree that its a bizarre way to tell a story, but who is more skilled? A story teller who gives you all the information in big, obvious lumps (like a lot of amnesiac stories) or one that gives the information throughout the story? A lot of the time it seems people who complain about the story never finished the game because by the time you finish the game, the whole story is told, all explainations are given and everyones backstory is explained just like it would have been if you were spoon-fed it.

Edit: Just to clarify, I didn't touch the datalog at all during either playthrough.

An amnesiac may not be the best example, but my point remains. You have someone in a story that the audience can relate to, and that things can be explained to. This doesn't have to be via exposition dumps, but at least they could make an effort in telling us what a fal'Cie is supposed to be within 10 hours of throwing the name around. Yes, you can have a basic understanding of the plot without visiting the data log but you would get it in weird chunks and a disjointed way. It's not about spoon-feeding the story (which incidentally is exactly what the data log does), it's about telling the story in a way that grabs the attention of the audience. All the characters in the game seem to know what's going on about 15 hours before I do, so who exactly am I supposed to relate to?

Again, I don't think it's a terrible game and it certainly isn't the worst Final Fantasy story ever made (*cough*FF8*cough*), it's just a terribly strange way to try and tell a story. In a game that is almost 100% about story that's a real problem for me.

 

[Calum_M]

I have many problems with this thread.

1. You were about what, an hour? Two hours at most into the game? And you died once and thought "Well, the game must be terrible."?

2. If you're going to get annoyed at losing time because of save points, save more often. There are save points about every 10 minutes in that game. Or, y'know. Just don't lose to the tutorial.

3. "do I really want to put up with all that drab again just to see if this game does ever get somewhat decent?". Of course not. Why would you want to get value for your money?

4. You bought this game just to impress a girl?

 

[Bat Vader]

I didn't like Final Fantasy XIII that much either. I hate how if the you are playing as is taken down the game is over. I hate how if the person you are playing as dies the game ends. If one of the other characters in my party have a phoenix down why can't they use it on my character?

The way I interpreted it was that since whoever you were playing was in charge of the WHOLE PARTY, they took getting knocked down THAT MUCH more seriously, and Cie'thed (I think I spelled that right. Haven't played the game in a few months, despite meaning to platinum it) right then and there. You can't phoenix down that shit.

I played FF13 from start to finish and enjoyed every damn second of it. The visuals and voice acting were spectacular, the music divine, and the characters annoying likeable and relateable, and developed alot, like actual people *coughHopecough*. It had its weak points, but EVERY game does. And it gave bosses some actual unrelenting difficulty, cuz, goddamn, I hardly ever have to redo bosses in FF games, it was like I was playing MegaTen.

And I never understood the "It gets better 20 hours in" thing. I thought it was good from start to finish. You get an open world after twenty hours, but that doesn't mean it " got good", you just got more places to walk around. And Chocobos <3.

The voice acting was pretty good. The fighting in FFXIII is much better than having to wait ten seconds before I could use my arm to swing a sword again or put ketchup on a hamburger. I like the combat in Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 more and I was hoping FF13 would have that type of combat as well. It does seem to have it somewhat but being able to run around and attack enemies would have been nicer in my opinion.

All of these things are just my opinions though, nothing more.