FFVII wasn't that good

[crazeekamikazee]

Games that have a better story to it: panzer dragoon saga, mass effect and Final Fantasy X.

Better graphics: anything during and after 16-bit era pretty much. I love how graphics don't matter now but back in the day when it was more modern it was a key part of it.

music: wile I admit that the score themselves are amazing it sounds like a midi keyboard, which 16-bit sounds better than that. I know games on the GBA that sound better.

Games that have better battle systems: FFX, V, tactics(all), golden sun(all) and panzer dragoon saga.

Exploration is tedious at best, golden sun way out dose FFVII in that respect.

I think you should change "FFVII wasn't good for me", because from an objective standpoint it was great.

Anyone who disputes this is doing so because they are either comparing it to modern games or just don't like it because it was popular.

I love how his opinion is subjective and yours is objective.

 

[Psytrese]

Since when are FFVII's graphics not good? They were as good, or better than anything else out at the time.

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I'm not trying to be FFVII fanboy here...but when you say the graphics aren't good, what you really mean to say is that the overworld character models aren't good. And I can totally understand that, but they were a payoff.

In order to make the rest of the game as beautiful as it is, and because they were new to the whole 3D thing, they had to cut back on some things. And even so, it resembles the way the characters were portrayed in earlier FF's.

I for one thing Squaresoft did a great job with the visuals.

 

[sb666]

Although for the record: My favorite Final Fantasy game is and always will be Final Fantasy IX, Zidane was a unique and fun character who never gave up and always had a laugh for something. Garnet and her knight, Eiko and Frey. And Kuja. Damn but he was a good villain, he was sinister and powerful, and ultimately, human and frightened of dying.

That kind of epic story is what final fantasy is about to me.

i agree with this my favourite final fantasy game was 9 aswell

 

[crazeekamikazee]

I'm not trying to be FFVII fanboy here...but when you say the graphics aren't good, what you really mean to say is that the overworld character models aren't good. And I can totally understand that, but they were a payoff.

In order to make the rest of the game as beautiful as it is, and because they were new to the whole 3D thing, they had to cut back on some things. And even so, it resembles the way the characters were portrayed in earlier FF's.

I for one thing Squaresoft did a great job with the visuals.

meh I see where you are coming from but no one says resident evil is a graphical master piece, the cinematic are not that good, even for the time, not bad but not great.

it's nice that they got there act together for 8 and more so 9.

 

[auronvi]

Haters gonna hate. I will admit that it is one of my favorite, if not THE favorite game of mine because it was the first Final Fantasy I played and one of the first RPGs I had ever played. Only one I played before that was Super Mario RPG for SNES.

The fact that someone made an 8 minute long video (that really had no point really) just to try and bash a game that is loved by millions all over the world is pretty stupid. I bash Halo all the time but mostly just for fun and I never make it personal. I understand that Halo was a lot of peoples first hardcore game experience when they got their Xbox.

So seriously, let the Final Fantasy fans (like myself) enjoy the game series that we have grow up to love and will probably buy until Squeenix goes out of business or stops making the game. You don't have to play it.

To my fellow Final Fantasy fans, don't try and defend it. You like the game because you could relate to the characters on a different level than someone else. I loved Final Fantasy VIII because I was 13 when it came out, a loner and could seriously get into Squall's shoes and feel what he felt in school. Sure it was a badass school where you learned to use a Gunblade, Magic and Summon Monsters to help you but that is why we play the game in the first place.

Live and let live, and meanwhile, just let threads like these rot in the recesses of the internet.

 

[Raddra]

Oh hey look, a topic designed to get the thread badge. Nice choice! FF7 bashing is a surefire way to get thread posts. Sadly, most haters these days are too young to have played it at release in the days of pre-internet without net whining taint and when it held up.

I loved FF7 and I still do. It hasn't aged at all to me: its still a great game with great re-playability value. Unfortunately its design choices sadly tainted future games in its series as the heads decided that its success was due to weather related names, effeminate male villains and bad hairstyles.

And not.. y'know, a good story, great pacing, fun gameplay, a great magic system and great music.

 

[Adiona]

Can't stand ff7 for oh so many reasons my favs happen to be ff8 and ff9.

 

[FunKing]

I can't believe FF7 is still being simultaneously made out to be the Jesus and Satan of JRPG's to this day.

Pretty much this. Just let it go, it was good for the late 90's. It really doesn't ever need to be mentioned again, it created the general JRPG hero archetype, done. Let's move on.

I'm gonna respond to the post that probably made this topic, I never NEVER forgot about FF IX, that game was fucking fantastic. Excellent. Top two. Yes, I do like FF VII best. The point is, they were 15 years ago.

i honestly loved VII the most till IX came out....ive been playing since the first one, and IX kinda took me back a bit....after X (even though i really enjoyed it) and X-2....i just lost intrest really.........and i know i'm gonna have some haters (sorry but FF8 sucked...well didnt totally suck, but really found myself falling asleep through the game)....to this day? FFIX is the best one by far in my own opinion

 

[crazeekamikazee]

Sadly, most haters these days are too young to have played it at release in the days of pre-internet without net whining taint and when it held up.

I wasn't too young to haven't played it, and when I looked on the net all I found was fan boy's and that made me want to play it and it wasn't that good. in fact from what you say it sounds like you imply that it's only good if seen in nostalgia.

 

[Raddra]

I wasn't too young to haven't played it, and when I looked on the net all I found was fan boy's and that made me want to play it and it wasn't that good. in fact from what you say it sounds like you imply that it's only good if seen in nostalgia.

Nah wasn't my intention to imply that.

When I mention internet whiners I pretty much mean biased vocal viewpoints either way. Fandoms and hatedoms that arise form the fandoms. if you know what I mean.

 

[crazeekamikazee]

Nah wasn't my intention to imply that.

When I mention internet whiners I pretty much mean biased vocal viewpoints either way. Fandoms and hatedoms that arise form the fandoms. if you know what I mean.

Do you mean you can be over hyped or have a tainted view on a subject? kinda leading to disappointment in both cases?

 

[Hybridwolf]

FF7 was good, but my experience with RPG's is limited. In terms of FF I've only ever played seven and eight, and eight killed my intrest in the series until the most recent one. I'm tempted to go back though, but that would require a working copy of eight, or a emulator simply because I was fairly young at the time, and didn't get half the mechincs. Other RPG's, well I certaintly haven't played any of the other legendry ones, so yeah, I'm not going to able to judge fairly. However...

FF7 was a damned good game at the time of it's release. The story was intresting, the graphics good apart from the character models (and even then, you weren't paying attention to them half the time) and the characters where some of the best. Certainly much better then they are now (looking at you, entire cast of thirteen apart from sazhs). All my personal opininon mind, and I'm sure there are better, but unless someone wants to show me a emulator or lend me their copy...

I will say this though. In terms of rose tinted specs, Fallout 1 and 2 are the worst cuprits. I seriously don't understand why the damned game recives so much love now, and why Fallout 3 is considered worse then them. They where buggy then, the gameplay was beyond confusing and people wanted Fallout 3 to be like that? There is fondness for an old game, then sheer fanatism.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Almost every time I see a post on why someone doesn't think FF7 is all that great the first thing they say is that the graphics didn't age well. Sadly they're probably some of the first people to defend a modern game for not having great graphics...

I personally think the story was great. It was unique. I was shocked a lot of times by it the first time I played it.

The materia system is still one of the most creative magic systems of all time.

It seems that most FF7 criticism lies in people not liking older graphics and the fact that THEY didn't like aspects of the story.

 

[William Fleming]

My favorite FF was 9; an underappreciated gem indeed, with far better scripting and characterisation than FF7 ever had.

Agreed. Good to see someone else have that opinion

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

How asinine is it to call someone stupid for liking something as subjective as video games are?

Because... almost nothing about FF7 is particularly well done. From visuals (ugly for its time) to characters (under developed and forgettable) to the basic cluster fuck that is the attempt at narrative at it.

Going to put this in for the sake of it, but Sephiroth is a failure-villain. Especially compared to THIS guy.

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As guy in video said. "Crazy mother fucker. Destroys the world, half way through the game."

No the character models were ugly for its time the cinematics and backrounds were fairly beautiful for the time. Characters being underdeveloped is your opinion a lot of people don't think and as far as I remember no one can ever and I mean ever accuse Tifa of being underdeveloped. Just enough said on that. FFS Sephiroth and Kefka are two completely different style villains then he became shit in the 2nd half of FFVI.

OT: Congratulations you all have a fucking opinion on a 14 year old game. I just want to state something and I don't mean this in a bad way but opinions are like butts you all have one. I know this is a gaming forum where we are supposed to express our opinions about our medium but for god sake people you have all taken the FF7 thing way to far over the years. Maybe this is me just exploding a little after having this slowly built rage over more or less the same comments about one game in one series that every likes to state is worse than their preferred game.

Ok we get it you do NOT like FF7 but you know what there are plenty of people who do. At least the people who do like FF7 do not make threads about it and constantly drone on about it anymore. They have learned to somewhat keep it to themselves. Now I am sorry to say that fuck all lives up to its hype. If I was to play Minecraft on hype and recommendations from friends alone I would hate it as it does not live up to the hype around it. This is simple video game knowledge we all should know.

Also for god sake the story is not bad it is simple. Now since the game is 14 years old and I haven't done a play through of it in about 5 years you are going to have to forgive me on this but as I remember the story doesn't have major plotholes. The plotholes only came with the extended and retconned universe that has raped the once good(well depends on your opinion) fairly solid game.

Now no one can really say that the game was full of JRPG stereotypes as they were not stereotypes at the time. In even while most of those involve the cast being teens the majority of the cast is in their 20s with a couple much older and 1 younger cast member(this is however, a stereotype). You don't like the characters that is fine but I am personally a bit sick of people going on about how THEY did not connect with the characters and that Cloud is a whiney Emo. He is not. Vincent is more emo than Cloud and even then he is more introverted and broody. Although Cloud was a hell of a lot more emo in Advent Children but we are talking about the game here not the extended universe.

Graphics ok yes the characters were exposed polygons. Not everyone hated that nor is obsessed with graphics. I like to think of it as Lego Fantasy 7. Even when you think about it the bad lego like graphics do give it an almost sprite like timelessness to the graphics as they were fairly unique to FF 7 as I can't think of a game that had similar characters. Although these make more sense if you look up the games development history. Now that aside the enviroments around the characters were quite well done for the time and the cinematics and battles also had fairly amazing graphics for the time. While they are not best graphics even at the time they are a lot better than a lot of people claim them to be.

Sorry just to go back a bit the only true stereotype in FF7 was Barret and even then he wasn't that bad he could have been worse.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

My favorite FF was 9; an underappreciated gem indeed, with far better scripting and characterisation than FF7 ever had.

FF 9 is not under appreciated. Really just look around at half the comments on FF threads. The ones most talked about as being good when asked for opinion especially here are 6,7,8,9,10. Some people do think the others are good but say 12,13,5,4,3,2,1 do not get as many likes as those 5 entries. Seriously read some of the comments on this page alone. I think yourself included there are about 6 people saying FF9 is good which is not really relevant to the thread. So obviously if it is important enough to them to feel the mention it is hardly unappreciated.

 

[Signa]

Actually, the narrative of FF7 has almost no merit to it. Especially when compared to previous titles. FF5, the game with lackluster narrative in the 16-bit era's narrative holds up way better than final fantasy 7's.

I have absolutely no clue how you can say that. You sound like you are just eating that video up like a fanboy and just regurgitating the opinions stated in there. I admit, he did have some good points, but in no way did he (or you)substantiate how FF7 was worse than any of the other games mentioned. As much as I liked the gameplay options with the job system in FF5, there was no story at all. It was just run around and kill shit until you find more broken crystals. Nothing deep or particularly interesting about that at all. Or were you taken in with that "amazing" plot twist where one of your dudes is actually a chick? Yeah, real deep man.

And no FF7 isn't the best thing ever made, but this conversation is totally out of hand for no good reason.

 

[tahrey]

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Obvious, if loquatious troll is obvious?

Even with the qualifying of it and all that, you'd come on a gamer forum and light that particular touchpaper?

Though I vaguely agree (FF6 til I die ... still not wise!

 

[TheFinalFantasyWolf]

You know, I can't reemember the last time I heard anyone call ff7 the best in the series. I only ever see forum threads and game critics going on and on about how it ISN'T. They're beating a dead horse, and so are you. You're telling us the earth is round like we didn't know, and we've known for a WHILE now. There are fanboys who think it's the best game ever, but even Daikatana has a few of those fans.

Thank You.

I am honestly so sick of people beating this old topic. If you don't like the game then fine, thats your opinion. Just ignore the die hard fanboys saying that its the "best game ever", those kind of people are moronic. To be honest, I don't think any game could be considered "the best game ever", since that all depends on preference anyway. FFVII is one of my favourite games ever, but it is not the best game ever. (Although I'm still holding out for a remake )

People need to REALLY move on. Its an old game, a classic none the less, but it doesn't deserve this kind of "God-like" praise, or this kind of hate either.

 

[Sovvolf]

My favorite FF was 9; an underappreciated gem indeed, with far better scripting and characterisation than FF7 ever had.

FF 9 is not under appreciated. Really just look around at half the comments on FF threads. The ones most talked about as being good when asked for opinion especially here are 6,7,8,9,10. Some people do think the others are good but say 12,13,5,4,3,2,1 do not get as many likes as those 5 entries. Seriously read some of the comments on this page alone. I think yourself included there are about 6 people saying FF9 is good which is not really relevant to the thread. So obviously if it is important enough to them to feel the mention it is hardly unappreciated.

I think its mainly because, outside of the FF fanbase, its often overlooked or forgotten, sort of like FF12. People remember VII and VIII, they remember X and X-2 and anything outside of that tends to be forgotten.

I've not completed it yet because when I got my copy (I'm talking years ago here... Think it came out in 1999) the disk broke and thus didn't get to finish it. Bought it on the PSN and gave it a whirl. Thought it was pretty good, liked the main character.

As for FFVII not being that good?... Well its entirely subjective isn't it. I deeply enjoyed it but it might be the nostalgia talking, I was playing the game around the time of the original release so it holds a good few memories. That being said, it got pretty solid reviews at the time so it must have done something right.

OT: Now, I'm not one to complain about the captcha, usually just sign it and get on with it. However video captcha? Come on escapist really... Really? I don't often complain about your advertising either but now I need to watch an ad before I can post. That's just ridiculous.