...what.xaszatm said:
No, seriously, what?
I'm still not sure this hasn't been Squeenix trolling us in some Kaufman-esque fashion. So...where was the good part?
FFVIIR Will be multi-part series.
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No, seriously, what?
I'm still not sure this hasn't been Squeenix trolling us in some Kaufman-esque fashion. So...where was the good part?
My big concern is that this will be less of a remake and more of a "best of." Instead of actually delivering a full, complete game, they're just going to shuffle us around from location to location, set-piece to set-piece. Pretty much just one long, pretty corridor like all the recent Final Fantasies.
My other concern is how they'll handle the DLC. If they're really going to chop this up into episodes, what's to stop them from chopping off old side-quests into DLC? You wanna go have an adventure in Wutai? 20 bucks. Full Access to all of the Golden Saucer, 20 bucks. Weapon DLC where you can fight Ultimate, Emerald and Ruby weapons, 15 bucks, etc etc.
I hope they don't, but if they decide to streamline down the original story, then handing out old side-quests as DLC seems like it'd be really easy to do.
My other concern is how they'll handle the DLC. If they're really going to chop this up into episodes, what's to stop them from chopping off old side-quests into DLC? You wanna go have an adventure in Wutai? 20 bucks. Full Access to all of the Golden Saucer, 20 bucks. Weapon DLC where you can fight Ultimate, Emerald and Ruby weapons, 15 bucks, etc etc.
I hope they don't, but if they decide to streamline down the original story, then handing out old side-quests as DLC seems like it'd be really easy to do.
Actually it's not a completely unrelated studio. You know all those beautiful, epic animated cutscenes in Blizzard games? Yeah, check the credits: Squeenix does the CG animation for most Blizzard games these days.Shoggoth2588 said:
Oh, and just throwing this out there as some food for thought to anyone reading this: according to an IGN article, Squeenix is outsourcing development - though I know not how much - to several different studios.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12/07/this-is-why-the-final-fantasy-7-remake-is-in-multiple-parts
Wouldn't it just be great if they finally give fans the legendary remake they've been waiting nearly two decades for and Squeenix just ends up dropping a big steaming pile of Duke Nukem Forever all over their fans' faces? :3
Man... they are REALLY trying to milk that dead cow.
First, FF7 is released onto PS4 with "updated graphics" (I don't know what's updated about them... but the game went from a 1.3 gig download to a 4 gig download... and the screen shots look all the same) and now they are going to make lots of FF7Rs in order to squeeze that rock until it bleeds.
Seriously... I love ff7 the way it is... I don't need Advent Children or all the shitty spin offs... and I certainly don't need this greedy cash grab bullshit remake.
First, FF7 is released onto PS4 with "updated graphics" (I don't know what's updated about them... but the game went from a 1.3 gig download to a 4 gig download... and the screen shots look all the same) and now they are going to make lots of FF7Rs in order to squeeze that rock until it bleeds.
Seriously... I love ff7 the way it is... I don't need Advent Children or all the shitty spin offs... and I certainly don't need this greedy cash grab bullshit remake.
I dunno. Have you seen what CyberConnect2 can do with cut scenes? Look up some Naruto Ninja Storm or Asura's Wrath cut scenes. Those guys are staffed by animation wizards. Oh god. Summons animated by CC2 would be like a dream come true.RJ 17 said:Actually it's not a completely unrelated studio. You know all those beautiful, epic animated cutscenes in Blizzard games? Yeah, check the credits: Squeenix does the CG animation for most Blizzard games these days.Shoggoth2588 said:
Oh, and just throwing this out there as some food for thought to anyone reading this: according to an IGN article, Squeenix is outsourcing development - though I know not how much - to several different studios.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12/07/this-is-why-the-final-fantasy-7-remake-is-in-multiple-parts
Wouldn't it just be great if they finally give fans the legendary remake they've been waiting nearly two decades for and Squeenix just ends up dropping a big steaming pile of Duke Nukem Forever all over their fans' faces? :3
OT: I don't mind episodic releases. The amount of content in FF7 is insane. Even getting from the start of Midgar and into the Overworld takes longer than a lot of games full length these days and it has more story and depth than them as well. And thats only a tiny part of the game.
After reading the neofag interview... I'm still not convinced.
In terms of size, FFVII was big, but note the "was". It was big for a game on the PS1 and needed 3 discs back then - although that may have simply been due to all the cutscenes. Nowadays though it's not like the game wouldn't fit on a 40GB single-sided or even a 80GB double-sided Blu-Ray, even with the fancy graphics. Just look at MGSV and Witcher 3: two huge-ass games that managed to fit and have some of the best graphics of this gen.
Now, as for development time, I don't completely disagree here. It makes sense that if they simply develop the game in chunks then they'd be able to release it steadily rather than waiting until it was all done. However, I'm not sure why this is really an issue. I mean would people be too impatient or distracted that they couldn't wait a year or two after its announcement for its release? They could have always pushed its announcement further to keep the hype strong when it released (and hope Kotaku doesn't catch wind of it and leaks it).
The biggest issue I think that comes with the remake, and the reason why I believe they have to make it episodically is due to what SE is currently producing. Sure, if they chose to make this one big release, development would drag on for a long time and they would be spending lots of money without seeing any return from it - that's what happens when you make big games. This is why, as a big publisher, you make other smaller games more frequently to give you the money you need to develop your larger projects. However, SE is already has a big game in development hell - FFXV. Making two big games at the same time would be ridiculous, even for a big company like SE.
Which brings us to why its really episodic - they're using the FFVII Remake to fund FFXV's development. Since XV is proving to such an investment for SE, they need an easy way to get money. So why not make episodic installments to remake a beloved classic that fans will no doubt eat up? Making it episodic means they'll get money more frequently, giving them a steadier flow of funds. Now, this isn't really a bad idea - in fact it's a very smart business decision, and may provide us with FFXV faster. The real issue though is that this FFVII Remake may not turn out to be quite big remake that a lot of fans wanted - instead, it's a chopped up Remake with some features like the overworld probably cut out to make sure they can get it out in a "timely manner". This isn't even getting to things like pricing, which could go horribly wrong in a lot of ways.
Of course, this is mostly conjecture, but it would make a lot of sense for them to do this. I never really thought that SE would make really give us complete a FFVII remake (remember, this isn't Square anymore, it's Square Enix) and this just confirmed my thoughts.
In terms of size, FFVII was big, but note the "was". It was big for a game on the PS1 and needed 3 discs back then - although that may have simply been due to all the cutscenes. Nowadays though it's not like the game wouldn't fit on a 40GB single-sided or even a 80GB double-sided Blu-Ray, even with the fancy graphics. Just look at MGSV and Witcher 3: two huge-ass games that managed to fit and have some of the best graphics of this gen.
Now, as for development time, I don't completely disagree here. It makes sense that if they simply develop the game in chunks then they'd be able to release it steadily rather than waiting until it was all done. However, I'm not sure why this is really an issue. I mean would people be too impatient or distracted that they couldn't wait a year or two after its announcement for its release? They could have always pushed its announcement further to keep the hype strong when it released (and hope Kotaku doesn't catch wind of it and leaks it).
The biggest issue I think that comes with the remake, and the reason why I believe they have to make it episodically is due to what SE is currently producing. Sure, if they chose to make this one big release, development would drag on for a long time and they would be spending lots of money without seeing any return from it - that's what happens when you make big games. This is why, as a big publisher, you make other smaller games more frequently to give you the money you need to develop your larger projects. However, SE is already has a big game in development hell - FFXV. Making two big games at the same time would be ridiculous, even for a big company like SE.
Which brings us to why its really episodic - they're using the FFVII Remake to fund FFXV's development. Since XV is proving to such an investment for SE, they need an easy way to get money. So why not make episodic installments to remake a beloved classic that fans will no doubt eat up? Making it episodic means they'll get money more frequently, giving them a steadier flow of funds. Now, this isn't really a bad idea - in fact it's a very smart business decision, and may provide us with FFXV faster. The real issue though is that this FFVII Remake may not turn out to be quite big remake that a lot of fans wanted - instead, it's a chopped up Remake with some features like the overworld probably cut out to make sure they can get it out in a "timely manner". This isn't even getting to things like pricing, which could go horribly wrong in a lot of ways.
Of course, this is mostly conjecture, but it would make a lot of sense for them to do this. I never really thought that SE would make really give us complete a FFVII remake (remember, this isn't Square anymore, it's Square Enix) and this just confirmed my thoughts.
Please be like Revelations 2 Please be like Revelations 2 PLEASE BE LIKE REVELATIONS 2.
So yeah, cautious optimism mode = Now Active
So yeah, cautious optimism mode = Now Active
I've learned a long time ago to not get my hopes up over things I want. This is one of those cases.
The issue that I am having with the Final Fantasy 7 remake is that it appears to no longer be a remake, at least, not really. Remakes would be akin to Final Fantasy 3 and Final Fantasy 4 for the DS, where some things have been updated, but the story and system are MOSTLY the same. I would classify things like the phone ports to Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy VI as "remasters," or the same game with updated graphics. From what I've seen, FF7 seems like the characters and story are mostly the same, but the game feel will be different. Yes, the story may be the same, but the game feel will be significantly different (if this trailer turns out to be true). If Square-Enix keeps insisting that it's a remake, then they are being misleading, either purposefully or accidentally (by not understanding the term). In essence, what we are getting is a "re-imagining" of FF7.
This goes not only for the action RPG system, but for the experience of not being able to play the game all at once (which I find the excuse highly suspect, to put it politely). Episodic games have a completely different experience than a game put together as a full one. Think about the smaller contained chapters of a Telltale game or the stories of Final Fantasy 13 being told over three games. Instead of one contained story, it will now be several shorter stories that make the narrative, much like how the experience of watching a movie is different from watching a TV show.
*puts two pennies on the table*
The issue that I am having with the Final Fantasy 7 remake is that it appears to no longer be a remake, at least, not really. Remakes would be akin to Final Fantasy 3 and Final Fantasy 4 for the DS, where some things have been updated, but the story and system are MOSTLY the same. I would classify things like the phone ports to Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy VI as "remasters," or the same game with updated graphics. From what I've seen, FF7 seems like the characters and story are mostly the same, but the game feel will be different. Yes, the story may be the same, but the game feel will be significantly different (if this trailer turns out to be true). If Square-Enix keeps insisting that it's a remake, then they are being misleading, either purposefully or accidentally (by not understanding the term). In essence, what we are getting is a "re-imagining" of FF7.
This goes not only for the action RPG system, but for the experience of not being able to play the game all at once (which I find the excuse highly suspect, to put it politely). Episodic games have a completely different experience than a game put together as a full one. Think about the smaller contained chapters of a Telltale game or the stories of Final Fantasy 13 being told over three games. Instead of one contained story, it will now be several shorter stories that make the narrative, much like how the experience of watching a movie is different from watching a TV show.
*puts two pennies on the table*
Pretty much my opinion relies on a few details yet to be covered:
1. Price: At the end of the day, will we spend more than a full-retail price on the final product? Will this be like a season pass sort of deal? Episodic games are also harder to put on physical discs, so this may also be a digital exclusive (even temporary).
2. Schedule: What is the release schedule? Square, we're quite familiar you have a knack at showing things off before things are even remotely ready. I know there's no real cliffhangers for a game like this, but it's more because it's a huge game (Telltale's chapters can come out in monthly intervals. FF7 can't)
3. Length: How much will we get with each installment? This is a 40+ hour game for the story alone.
And that's assuming they're doing it for the reasons they say they are, and content (overworld, sidequests, minigames, etc) is left more or less intact. Episodic adventures work well in Telltale style games because they're small and well contained, but not so much a massive JRPG with overworlds, secrets, and a huge narrative scope (not to mention completely different pacing).
I can tolerate the new combat (would've preferred the old ATB for the sake of history), but these points could make or break this project and it's value.
1. Price: At the end of the day, will we spend more than a full-retail price on the final product? Will this be like a season pass sort of deal? Episodic games are also harder to put on physical discs, so this may also be a digital exclusive (even temporary).
2. Schedule: What is the release schedule? Square, we're quite familiar you have a knack at showing things off before things are even remotely ready. I know there's no real cliffhangers for a game like this, but it's more because it's a huge game (Telltale's chapters can come out in monthly intervals. FF7 can't)
3. Length: How much will we get with each installment? This is a 40+ hour game for the story alone.
And that's assuming they're doing it for the reasons they say they are, and content (overworld, sidequests, minigames, etc) is left more or less intact. Episodic adventures work well in Telltale style games because they're small and well contained, but not so much a massive JRPG with overworlds, secrets, and a huge narrative scope (not to mention completely different pacing).
I can tolerate the new combat (would've preferred the old ATB for the sake of history), but these points could make or break this project and it's value.
Maybe they'll just break it up in a way that mimics the original?
Disc 1-Escaping Midgar
Disc 2-Getting the airship
Disc 3-Saving the world
Follow that same layout with episodes, and expand on the content within, charge $20 an episode, *boom* as close as you get to making everyone happy.
Disc 1-Escaping Midgar
Disc 2-Getting the airship
Disc 3-Saving the world
Follow that same layout with episodes, and expand on the content within, charge $20 an episode, *boom* as close as you get to making everyone happy.
Yeah I can see why they're doing this, I mean FF7 was HUGE(filesize and length) back in the day, I mean seriously three disks on PS1 without voice acting or large amounts of FMV? I mean sure it probably could be smaller on a more powerful system with more overhead for compression and whatnot. But just imagine back to the first part of the game in Midgar that's a long ass part of the game with most of the filesize and work cut down because everything was using pre-rendered backgrounds that just needed to be rendered and not bug-tested to any serious degree.
(because there was no way in hell that the player could rotate the view around and see parts of the background that aren't rendered, the backgrounds just had to look good from a fixed perspective and on their in house rendering system)
(because there was no way in hell that the player could rotate the view around and see parts of the background that aren't rendered, the backgrounds just had to look good from a fixed perspective and on their in house rendering system)
I do hope Squeenix will stay true to its word that every episode will be a self-contained game. I mean if the first episode is like the entire 'Midgar chapter' of the original game with those insanely good graphics and more locations to visit and all kinds of extras shoved in and lasting 30-40 hours I'm totally down with the game being episodic. All episodes combined(preferably not more than 3) could be a complete re-imagining of FF7 and as awesome and revolutionary as the game was in 1997. Episode 1 of FF7 already sounds better than anything Squeenix put out in like the last 17 years or so.
And think of Squeenix what you will, their games have never been lacking in content so I would still like to give them the benefit of the doubt.
And think of Squeenix what you will, their games have never been lacking in content so I would still like to give them the benefit of the doubt.
It really is kind of bizarre to see modern game studios so incapable of putting out long games any more. I mean, I get why, with how drawn-out and bloated the development process for even a mid-tier AAA game has become, but still. I'm really thankful that I got to grow up in the PS1/PS2 era of RPG's, because I don't think we'll ever see games of those lengths (or quality, in my admittedly biased opinion) being released in those numbers ever again.FrozenLaughs said:
Just goes to show that not all technological development in gaming is a pure net-positive. Yeah, the visuals are amazing, and having everything voice acted is nice... but it does come at a price in terms of the amount of content they can cram onto a disk without it taking 10 years and umpteen million dollars to do so.
I just hope Square doesn't screw this up. I'm an oldschool fan, and I'd love for them to actually put out *one* good game this decade. Also I'm still more than a little buttmad about how they completely destroyed both the Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean franchises D: I'd really love for them to come back with a strong remake of FFVII and redeem themselves some.
This isn't inherently bad. Splitting the game up into 2-3 parts isn't a bad thing if those parts are worthwhile. If they are filled with ample amounts of good, solid content that expands on the original game, then that's perfectly fine. However, recent trends in AAA gaming are making people cautious when it comes to this kind of announcement. Three great games that serve as an expanded reimagining of a beloved classic will be marketed the same way as a shameless cash grab trying to charge you 3 times for one game.
It comes down to how much do you trust Squeenix...
It comes down to how much do you trust Squeenix...
