Fifeteen Million Merits - Ep2 of Black Mirror

i7omahawki

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Did anybody catch the second in the series of Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror.

I have to say, it was an impressive piece, equal parts Brave New World, Nintendo Wii, and *shudder* X-Factor/American Idol.

While I liked the first episode, The National Anthem, this one had a lot more bite, and a properly constructed premise that, in the climax, let out a savage heart-felt skewer that was as personal as it was passionate.

I would be interested to hear people's thoughts, as it seemed a very stimulating show, which is a rare occurrence on British television.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
Dang. Missed it again. Hope it's on 4OD. I'll have to catch it whenever I get the time...
It's on 4od now, just finished it a awhile a go.

Might not want to read on from here[hr]

I felt the ending of the first was better, but overall I'm more interested in this one due to the world it's set in. I would really like to have seen outside of whatever it is everyone lives in and how it works and who runs it. I'd have liked some form of Portal-esque story where he breaks the screen, but he climbs through it and runs out into the world of a nuclear holocaust like Fallout except we're kept in on these biking machines by the robots from the Matrix and that is we power...

Then again I indulge myself in too much entertainment.
 

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Did anyone else think there was some inspiration from the movie Network?
 

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DazZ. said:
Hero in a half shell said:
Dang. Missed it again. Hope it's on 4OD. I'll have to catch it whenever I get the time...
It's on 4od now, just finished it a awhile a go.

Might not want to read on from here[hr]

I felt the ending of the first was better, but overall I'm more interested in this one due to the world it's set in. I would really like to have seen outside of whatever it is everyone lives in and how it works and who runs it. I'd have liked some form of Portal-esque story where he breaks the screen, but he climbs through it and runs out into the world of a nuclear holocaust like Fallout except we're kept in on these biking machines by the robots from the Matrix and that is we power...

Then again I indulge myself in too much entertainment.
Interesting, I noted that I felt I wanted to see what was beyond the screens too, to see the state of the world and all of that. But I'm actually grateful they didn't. Keeping it self-contained left the exterior ambigious, the show could be set 10 years from now, or 10,000. It gives it a certain timelessness that suits the plot, quite like 1984 or The Machine Stops.

I personally loved the shot at the end, with the realistic, beautiful 'view'. I asked: So is that real? Which was the perfect question to end on, given the episode's focus on authenticity.

Hazy992 said:
Did anyone else think there was some inspiration from the movie Network?
Not sure, haven't seen it. Is that a recommendation? What are the similarities?
 

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I did prefer the first episode but saying that I thought it was excellent.

I was so sure he was going to commit suicide in the final scene.
 

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There was a point about ten minutes from the end when I honest thought it was going to turn into a predictable revenge flick. It totally set me up for that.

But that ending.. Jesus.. I can't think of many screenwriters who could have got such a nihilistic ending past channel 4 executives, even in Britain. It was fucking brilliant.

It was also a fairly cutting piece of self-parody considering Charlie Brooker has made a lucrative television career of his own out of pointing out how manipulated people are by television.

i7omahawki said:
Not sure, haven't seen it. Is that a recommendation? What are the similarities?
It's about a television anchor undergoing an on-screen breakdown, which then achieves massive ratings.

Again, it's about the discordance between the real emotion of the person in front of the camera and what the audience identifies, and the irony that the only way to speak out against mass media is through the mass media itself.
 

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Not sure whether the ending made it better or worse myself, but it was an excellent depiction of what advertising could become in the future and how easily people are made docile by cheap entertainment.

Been pleasantly surprised with this series, hope the last one meets the same standard.
 

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evilthecat said:
i7omahawki said:
Not sure, haven't seen it. Is that a recommendation? What are the similarities?
It's about a television anchor undergoing an on-screen breakdown, which then achieves massive ratings.

Again, it's about the discordance between the real emotion of the person in front of the camera and what the audience identifies, and the irony that the only way to speak out against mass media is through the mass media itself.
Ah yes, now you've reminded me that I saw it covered on an episode of Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe, so it is likely to be a direct influence.

While I think the shows, and Brooker's other work, is fantastic at criticizing modern trends and thought, I don't think it is very good at establishing its own, independent value-system, or general ethos. It always seems direct against something, rather than for anything in particular. That said, I think the 'great despising' process is an important one to (eventually) reach a point where we can set up culture that aims to empower audiences, rather than subjugate them.
 

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i7omahawki said:
While I think the shows, and Brooker's other work, is fantastic at criticizing modern trends and thought, I don't think it is very good at establishing its own, independent value-system, or general ethos. It always seems direct against something, rather than for anything in particular. That said, I think the 'great despising' process is an important one to (eventually) reach a point where we can set up culture that aims to empower audiences, rather than subjugate them.
A lot of media students tell me he's a little out of date with current theory, but as a media dabbler (I took one course) I think I understand his point to a degree, and I think it would be slightly naive to offer an easy answer, because there doesn't seem to be one.

Television (and moving pictures in general) is fundamentally more persuasive than other forms of media. People enjoy it and get sucked into it and can forget that it's a constructed image, because it seems incredibly "real". We don't watch porn to watch dead-eyed heroin addicts or desperate women from Eastern Europe fuck in uncomfortable temperatures while a director yells instructions, we watch it because we can suspend disbelief. That sometimes has horrible consequences, and yet how do you stop people from doing that when it's the precise reason they can enjoy it?

If you were an optimist, you could say that the 'point' of most things Charlie Brooker has done is encouraging people to be critical about what they watch, and that that's already a big step on the way to a better model of television. People can be taught to be more aware of when they are being manipulated, and that in itself will ultimately make television better by removing some of the rewards of manipulating people.

Ultimately though, you can't really tell people to be critical of television without using television and the same manipulative techniques which make popular television popular. That's also why there's no easy way out of this, and why I think (on topic) the ending of that film had to be fucking devastating, because otherwise it would just be hypocritical in the extreme.

I think the overall message is simple. Be critical. Don't think or believe that what you're seeing is somehow honest or true or insightful just because it's presented as such. Don't lower your standards just because something appears on television, because everything is in some way constructed and artificial, if nothing else because a camera has to be there to film it. Recognize when you're being manipulated. If you can do that, then you're already capable of demanding better and ultimately (hopefully) of getting better.

Unfortunately, I'm not an optimist. I think that demystifying the manipulative aspects of television would also remove the "magic", so I'm not convinced it's going to happen.
 

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i7omahawki said:
Hazy992 said:
Did anyone else think there was some inspiration from the movie Network?
Not sure, haven't seen it. Is that a recommendation? What are the similarities?
Well I haven't actually seen it myself but I know (from Charlie Brooker himself no less) that it's about a newsreader who says he's going to kill himself live on show. Then he becomes an overnight sensation and the producers end up offering him his own show and he becomes a sellout. Something along those lines.
 

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evilthecat said:
i7omahawki said:
While I think the shows, and Brooker's other work, is fantastic at criticizing modern trends and thought, I don't think it is very good at establishing its own, independent value-system, or general ethos. It always seems direct against something, rather than for anything in particular. That said, I think the 'great despising' process is an important one to (eventually) reach a point where we can set up culture that aims to empower audiences, rather than subjugate them.
A lot of media students tell me he's a little out of date with current theory, but as a media dabbler (I took one course) I think I understand his point to a degree, and I think it would be slightly naive to offer an easy answer, because there doesn't seem to be one.

Television (and moving pictures in general) is fundamentally more persuasive than other forms of media. People enjoy it and get sucked into it and can forget that it's a constructed image, because it seems incredibly "real". We don't watch porn to watch dead-eyed heroin addicts or desperate women from Eastern Europe fuck in uncomfortable temperatures while a director yells instructions, we watch it because we can suspend disbelief. That sometimes has horrible consequences, and yet how do you stop people from doing that when it's the precise reason they can enjoy it?

If you were an optimist, you could say that the 'point' of most things Charlie Brooker has done is encouraging people to be critical about what they watch, and that that's already a big step on the way to a better model of television. People can be taught to be more aware of when they are being manipulated, and that in itself will ultimately make television better by removing some of the rewards of manipulating people.

Ultimately though, you can't really tell people to be critical of television without using television and the same manipulative techniques which make popular television popular. That's also why there's no easy way out of this, and why I think (on topic) the ending of that film had to be fucking devastating, because otherwise it would just be hypocritical in the extreme.

I think the overall message is simple. Be critical. Don't think or believe that what you're seeing is somehow honest or true or insightful just because it's presented as such. Don't lower your standards just because something appears on television, because everything is in some way constructed and artificial, if nothing else because a camera has to be there to film it. Recognize when you're being manipulated. If you can do that, then you're already capable of demanding better and ultimately (hopefully) of getting better.

Unfortunately, I'm not an optimist. I think that demystifying the manipulative aspects of television would also remove the "magic", so I'm not convinced it's going to happen.
Just a great response, I have to say, thank you for that.

'Be critical' - yes, that does seem like the message being delivered, and certainly one I can get behind. The problem is that the 'Critical' media is currently dependent on the uncritical. The only way for critical media to make sense is to depart from its relation to uncritical media, and not simply act as a finger wagging saying: "look at how terrible all of this is." Otherwise, without the uncritical, it loses all meaning - it cannot sustain itself.

Without X-Factor, Big Brother, and celebrity/modern media in general, Black Mirror would have no purpose, or meaning.

This isn't exactly a criticism of the show, I think it does what it does well enough. It's just that I think its limitations are visible, and that we need something to go beyond that.