Fighting fans, UNITE!

[VanityGirl]

So who here is a fan of professional fighting? I'll accept boxing, MMA, Judo competions, karates tournments, wrestling (not WWE), ect.

I for one am a big fan of the UFC, more so now that they have merged with the WEC. While I do have a few complaints about the UFC, I really enjoy watching fighters like Matt Hughes, GSP, BJ Penn, Jon "Bones" Jones, Brock Lesnar, and Frank Mir (just to name a few).

I'm not a huge fan of how they promote fights, like saying Cain Velasquez, born and taught fighting in America, would be the first heavy weight Mexican champion. I do like Cain though, he's a scrapper.

Also, I like PacMan in boxing. He's the best, hands down.

So is anyone on the Escapist a fighting fan? Let's talk about it!

 

[SimuLord]

I'm a HUGE boxing fan. I'm the kind of guy who buys a ticket to a fight card and shows up when the doors open to watch ALL the undercard fights. I never miss Friday Night Fights, and a running joke goes that when I'm with a girl after a few dates I'm like:

Me: "Are you a boxing fan?"
Her: "No, not really."
Me: "Well, you are now."
Her: "OK, then."

Not a fan of MMA, though. I don't really find any entertainment value in ground n' pound. Greatly prefer the Sweet Science.

Favorite fighters? Currently I like David Lemieux and Lucien Bute at super middleweight, Amir Khan at junior welter, and John Molina at lightweight. All-time favorite fighter? Irish Micky Ward. Ward-Gatti I was the greatest fight I've ever personally witnessed, and that ninth round might be the three most epic minutes in the history of the sport.

And speaking of Micky Ward:

 

[VanityGirl]

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Ah a boxing fan eh? You MUST have seen Manny PacMan Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito?

I wasn't able to watch the fight live (damn HBO ppv >_>) but I did get to see a replay and I'm honestly surprised they allowed that fight to continue on. If I were the ref, I would have called it for sure during the 10th round.

Good to see another fan of fighting on here!



And as for MMA, I enjoy watching some ground and pounders, but I enjoy watch Muay Thai artists and Ju jitsu masters get into the ring. It's fun for me, but boxing is also very enjoyable.

 

[Sovvolf]

I'm a fan of Boxing, MMA, Kickboxing, Thai Boxing, BJJ, Taekwondo among other sports.

I like fighters like Anderson Silva, Shogun Hua, Lyotto Machida, Randy Couture, Mike Bispin, Ramon Dekkers, Remi Bonjanski, David Haye... Among many, many more.

Speaking of which, anyone see Mikes last fight?.

That being said, I'll watch anything with fighting in it so long as its not pro-wrestling (Though I do often watch that if my cousin is when I go up to his house). I like all styles of fighting, its fun to watch the different styles and note how each throws a kick and look for strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Imp Poster]

I am a big fan of MMA. I don't like how the federations are separate and not wanting to work with each other so that their best fighters fight against each other. Boxing sometimes does this and brings out a great fight. I don't know why the MMAs don't. I would have loved to have seen Fedor Emelianenko from Strikeforce fight against any named guy in the UFC before Fedor lost to some young guy after being undeated for like 27 fights.

I also hate the age old arguement, boxer vs. MMA. I hate when UFC brings a has been boxer to fight a has been MMA. I find that stupid and unfair. It is given that boxers aren't do well under MMA rules. If strikers have problems with grapplers, it is only obvious that boxers are going to have problems with grapplers. Atleast, strikers know what take-down defense is. Hey, maybe they should get MMAs into boxing and fight under boxing rules against boxers and see who wins. If they really wanted to make it fair.

 

[VanityGirl]

I'm a fan of Boxing, MMA, Kickboxing, Thai Boxing, BJJ, Taekwondo among other sports.

I like fighters like Anderson Silva, Shogun Hua, Lyotto Machida, Randy Couture, Mike Bispin, Ramon Dekkers, Remi Bonjanski, David Haye... Among many, many more.

Speaking of which, anyone see Mikes last fight?.

That being said, I'll watch anything with fighting in it so long as its not pro-wrestling (Though I do often watch that if my cousin is when I go up to his house). I like all styles of fighting, its fun to watch the different styles and note how each throws a kick and look for strengths and weaknesses.

I was mad at Anderson Silva for a while after his Damien Maia fight. I eventually got over it and think he's a great figter.

I also love Randy Couture. He's in great shape for a 47 year old man. He is also STILL a great fighter despite his age and I wager that if you put him against many of the young bloods in the UFC he'd still show them who pappa bear is.

I saw Bisping's last fight. I was said he beat Akiyama. The ref missed a nut shot Bisping did to Akiyama, whether it was intentional or not, Bisping capitalized on it and ended up hurting Akiyama. That being said, it was quite a good fight.

 

[VanityGirl]

I'm a fan of Boxing, MMA, Kickboxing, Thai Boxing, BJJ, Taekwondo among other sports.

I like fighters like Anderson Silva, Shogun Hua, Lyotto Machida, Randy Couture, Mike Bispin, Ramon Dekkers, Remi Bonjanski, David Haye... Among many, many more.

Speaking of which, anyone see Mikes last fight?.

That being said, I'll watch anything with fighting in it so long as its not pro-wrestling (Though I do often watch that if my cousin is when I go up to his house). I like all styles of fighting, its fun to watch the different styles and note how each throws a kick and look for strengths and weaknesses.

I was mad at Anderson Silva for a while after his Damien Maia fight. I eventually got over it and think he's a great figter.

I also love Randy Couture. He's in great shape for a 47 year old man. He is also STILL a great fighter despite his age and I wager that if you put him against many of the young bloods in the UFC he'd still show them who pappa bear is.

I saw Bisping's last fight. I was said he beat Akiyama. The ref missed a nut shot Bisping did to Akiyama, whether it was intentional or not, Bisping capitalized on it and ended up hurting Akiyama. That being said, it was quite a good fight.

I am a big fan of MMA. I don't like how the federations are separate and not wanting to work with each other so that their best fighters fight against each other. Boxing sometimes does this and brings out a great fight. I don't know why the MMAs don't. I would have loved to have seen Fedor Emelianenko from Strikeforce fight against any named guy in the UFC before Fedor lost to some young guy after being undeated for like 27 fights.

I also hate the age old arguement, boxer vs. MMA. I hate when UFC brings a has been boxer to fight a has been MMA. I find that stupid and unfair. It is given that boxers aren't do well under MMA rules. If strikers have problems with grapplers, it is only obvious that boxers are going to have problems with grapplers. Atleast, strikers know what take-down defense is. Hey, maybe they should get MMAs into boxing and fight under boxing rules against boxers and see who wins. If they really wanted to make it fair.

Well I know why Fedor will NEVER fight in the UFC. He wants to continue his Sambo competitions and the UFC wants him to fight exclusively in the UFC and no outside competitions. They want this to minimize injury to their fighters, which I can understand.

And I also hate the arguement of boxer vs MMA. They're two different fighting styles. A MMA fighter can neutralized most boxers by shoving them to the ground. Standing up a boxer will most likely knock the living crap out of a MMA fighter.
And there's only one MMA fighter who would have done well in boxing and that is Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was never a good MMA fighter but was an astounding boxer. I still think to this day he would have been a great boxer and to my knowledge, he did in fact beat a boxer standing up.

 

[Sovvolf]

I was mad at Anderson Silva for a while after his Damien Maia fight. I eventually got over it and think he's a great figter.

I still think to this day that Damien deserved to win that fight. Anderson is my favourite fighter and even I was pissed at him for that.

I also love Randy Couture. He's in great shape for a 47 year old man. He is also STILL a great fighter despite his age and I wager that if you put him against many of the young bloods in the UFC he'd still show them who pappa bear is.

Glad someone agrees, I think he's a brilliant fighter for his age, he's starting to lose a good few now but he rarely goes down like a punk or without a fight. I also thought he'd have beat Lesner if it wasn't for that lucky punch in the second round.

I saw Bisping's last fight. I was said he beat Akiyama. The ref missed a nut shot Bisping did to Akiyama, whether it was intentional or not, Bisping capitalized on it and ended up hurting Akiyama. That being said, it was quite a good fight.

Personally, I thought Bispin deserved that win though. Akiyama did almost nothing for the most of that fight. He has a good punch on him and certainly has a brilliant chin however Akiyama is too static and too reliant on that one punch, which is why he lost to Leben and Bispin. I think he has quite a lot to learn but I think if we give him time, I think he'll be a good fighter.

And there's only one MMA fighter who would have done well in boxing and that is Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was never a good MMA fighter but was an astounding boxer. I still think to this day he would have been a great boxer and to my knowledge, he did in fact beat a boxer standing up.

I hate Kimbo with a passion, I think he's a bum, who fought other bums like him self. The fact that he's in the UFC is a travesty. He shouldn't be anywhere near a legitimate sport. His technique is lousy, he telegraphs his shots and fights like a bum with a bit of training behind him. That's why he's lost most if not all his fights in the UFC. The only reason he was in there in the first place was because of the youtube vids watched by people who don't have a clue about fighting.

He did fight a MMA in a street fight once and got his arse kicked.

 

[VanityGirl]

I hate Kimbo with a passion, I think he's a bum, who fought other bums like him self. The fact that he's in the UFC is a travesty. He shouldn't be anywhere near a legitimate sport. His technique is lousy, he telegraphs his shots and fights like a bum with a bit of training behind him. That's why he's lost most if not all his fights in the UFC. The only reason he was in there in the first place was because of the youtube vids watched by people who don't have a clue about fighting.

He did fight a MMA in a street fight once and got his arse kicked.

I'm not a fan of Kimbo either. Dana White put him in the UFC to prove a point. Roy Big Country Nelson quickly put Kimbo in a crucifix and TKO'ed Kimbo.

However, with some traning Kimbo could have been a pretty good boxer.

I will agree that in his internet videos all he did was fight wimpy/fat people.

 

[Toaster Hunter]

I'm an MMA fan. I really don't care about specific fighters I just want to see a good fight. Actually,. I'll watch any combat sport if its on TV.

 

[Sovvolf]

However, with some traning Kimbo could have been a pretty good boxer.

I don't know, I mean he got trained by Bas Ruten and he still couldn't fight... Not only that... All his loses so far have been from a knock out via punches... So perhaps his stand up isn't all that good. Like I said, he telegraphs his punches and he's sluggish, all he's really used to fighting are bums, when it came to fighting actual trained fighters... He got his arse kicked.

Time will tell, he's a big guy and maybe he can pull it off in boxing. However he'll certainly have to work on his boxing skills. As for his MMA career, I think that's pretty much over, he had his shot, he blow it and now he's been canned.

Maybe one of the smaller shows will take him, however I'm doubting Dana will have him back.

And I also hate the arguement of boxer vs MMA. They're two different fighting styles. A MMA fighter can neutralized most boxers by shoving them to the ground. Standing up a boxer will most likely knock the living crap out of a MMA fighter.

I hear this arguement a lot and its stupid. In the boxing ring, the box has a good chance of winning, his stand-up will be far better. In the octagon, the boxer doesn't stand the slightest chance of winning. The MMA won't be stupid enough to try and stand with him, he'll just take him straight to the ground either pummel him or submit him.

 

[zen5887]

And there's only one MMA fighter who would have done well in boxing and that is Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was never a good MMA fighter but was an astounding boxer. I still think to this day he would have been a great boxer and to my knowledge, he did in fact beat a boxer standing up.

Apart from the dudes like Little Nog and Marcus Davis who were Boxers before they took up MMA?

Anyways, I'm a pretty big MMA fan. I love the ground game and really enjoy when dudes who know what they are doing end up there. G-Soup and Joe Stevenson is still one of my favorite fights.

I hear this arguement a lot and its stupid. In the boxing ring, the box has a good chance of winning, his stand-up will be far better. In the octagon, the boxer doesn't stand the slightest chance of winning. The MMA won't be stupid enough to try and stand with him, he'll just take him straight to the ground either pummel him or submit him.

I don't think a straight boxer has much chance of winning anywhere (more so in a ring because its easier to get up in a cage). If a dude have awesome punching power but no takedown defense then he is done. But if he puts some (or maybe all his) time in defending takedowns and getting back up, he might have a chance.

 

[DSEZ]

am i a fighting fan?

HELLS YES I AM

i love the UFC ive loved it back since UFC 3 back in the day with royce,and ken

my favorite fighters are bj penn,frankie edgar,GSP,lesnar,evan dunham and gray maynard

i actaully met frankie edgar in DC and fight night 22 he was a pretty cool dude

and im a long time practitioner of muay thai and MMA because of the UFC and i fell in love with it first time i kicked a punching bag

 

[Imp Poster]

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Well I know why Fedor will NEVER fight in the UFC. He wants to continue his Sambo competitions and the UFC wants him to fight exclusively in the UFC and no outside competitions. They want this to minimize injury to their fighters, which I can understand.

Yes, it is this exclusivity that I have a problem with. They are either going to go follow history like how the NFL was formed or they are going to do it like the way boxing is doing it where it is purse based per fight. I don't see them conitinuing this road right now in the long run. Fights seem stagnant already with the same people especially in the heavy weight class for all the federations. Anyway, that is how I feel. They are probably going to keep this up as long as they can.

And I also hate the arguement of boxer vs MMA. They're two different fighting styles. A MMA fighter can neutralized most boxers by shoving them to the ground. Standing up a boxer will most likely knock the living crap out of a MMA fighter.
And there's only one MMA fighter who would have done well in boxing and that is Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was never a good MMA fighter but was an astounding boxer. I still think to this day he would have been a great boxer and to my knowledge, he did in fact beat a boxer standing up.

Good point, but Kimbo is all hype.

And there's only one MMA fighter who would have done well in boxing and that is Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was never a good MMA fighter but was an astounding boxer. I still think to this day he would have been a great boxer and to my knowledge, he did in fact beat a boxer standing up.

Apart from the dudes like Little Nog and Marcus Davis who were Boxers before they took up MMA?

No, that's not what VanityGirl(VG) really meant. VG was commenting on something said about when UFC puts up a has been boxer against a has been MMA. What? the last one was Toney vs. Couture. It's a stupid fight, a waste of time. So VG is bringing up Kimbo.

 

[VanityGirl]

And there's only one MMA fighter who would have done well in boxing and that is Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was never a good MMA fighter but was an astounding boxer. I still think to this day he would have been a great boxer and to my knowledge, he did in fact beat a boxer standing up.

Apart from the dudes like Little Nog and Marcus Davis who were Boxers before they took up MMA?

No, that's not what VanityGirl(VG) really meant. VG was commenting on something said about when UFC puts up a has been boxer against a has been MMA. What? the last one was Toney vs. Couture. It's a stupid fight, a waste of time. So VG is bringing up Kimbo.

^Thanks for clearing that up.

I've been hearing a lot of talk about how Brock Lesnar is just an overhyped fighter, but I'm not sure I see it. He's still relatively new compared to a lot of other fighters in the UFC, but he seems to have a lot of potential.


Also, did anyone watch the Ultimate Fighter last night? It was AWESOME.

 

[Xojins]

I'm a huge fan of wrestling (the real kind). It's like a combat sport but I think there is much more skill to it, as you aren't allowed to strike your opponent. In addition there's also rules against stalling, so you have to keep wrestling if you don't want to give your opponent free points. I could go on for hours about wrestling but I suspect I'm the only one who cares .

 

[Sovvolf]

I don't think a straight boxer has much chance of winning anywhere (more so in a ring because its easier to get up in a cage). If a dude have awesome punching power but no takedown defense then he is done. But if he puts some (or maybe all his) time in defending takedowns and getting back up, he might have a chance.

Lol, sorry, I need to be a little more clear in what I post. What I meant by "The boxing ring" was the rules. And by the "octagon" I mean MMA rules (I know the some MMA comps take place in the ring as well as the cage). If the fight was purely stand-up boxing, no kicking, kneeing, wrestling..ect. Then the MMA would have a brilliant chance in winning, the boxers stand-up ability would more then likely be far greater than that or the MMA who has to spread his ability over multiple arts.

The boxer wouldn't stand much against a MMA in a MMA ruled fight. Would be very unlikely for the boxer to have any ground game at all or any takedown defence... So he'd just be taken straight to the ground where the boxer has not a clue what to do (I imagine he'd probably try and struggle around at the best, however against a trained Judokan or wrestler... He won't stand a chance) then its either submission or punched out.

I've been hearing a lot of talk about how Brock Lesnar is just an overhyped fighter, but I'm not sure I see it. He's still relatively new compared to a lot of other fighters in the UFC, but he seems to have a lot of potential.

I think he's an okay fighter, he's a big guy, good punch on him and he shouldn't be underestimated. However he his overhyped. As you said, he's relatively new to the sport, however it seems they try to stick his face on anything UFC related, he's even on the 2010 game box, which should have gone to maybe Shogun and Machida (given that they were fighting at the time of release) or another veteran of the sport. That and in the game he's extremely overpowered.

I think he's an okay fighter and has got some potential... However I just wish they'd stop sucking his dick. As stated earlier, Randy Couture almost beat him and Randy's one of the oldest fighters... I even think Brock lucked his way out of that fight with that decent punch he landed in the second.

Also, did anyone watch the Ultimate Fighter last night? It was AWESOME.

Sadly not... Didn't know Ultimate Fighter was on again... Who's leading?

 

[ReservoirAngel]

if you don't accept WWE there's very little I can contribute. hang on! why do you accept wrestling, but NOT the WWE? WWE is wrestling!

 

[Sovvolf]

if you don't accept WWE there's very little I can contribute. hang on! why do you accept wrestling, but NOT the WWE? WWE is wrestling!

Because the wrestling in WWE isn't real, its pro-wrestling... WWE is a stunt show and is not competitive fighting.

 

[The Rockerfly]

Fuck yeah I love fighting

I do tai kwan do and I really want to try MMA fighting. Kimbo Slice is my favourite fighter, yeah he isn't the best but that name. You can't deny his name is fucking awesome