Final Debate, You say?
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I am rooting for Obama. I think McCain will be stuck in the Middle East to maintain the Republican Platform which will hurt the global economy and the U.S. grass roots sector is freaking scary, Obama would move the country forward on a social level that McCain could not.
They are both excellent debaters though and given the near fifty fifty split in support this debate is an unpredictable one.
Don't watch it though, the gong show which is American politics never translates to real life, these debates are super contrived pieces of boring. Maybe if there were some actual difficult or unobvious questions put to the candidates...
They are both excellent debaters though and given the near fifty fifty split in support this debate is an unpredictable one.
Don't watch it though, the gong show which is American politics never translates to real life, these debates are super contrived pieces of boring. Maybe if there were some actual difficult or unobvious questions put to the candidates...
Neither of them are coming across particularly charismatically at the moment. Both of them are stuttering and hesitating a lot.
McCain: "We can remove our dependance on middle eastern/venezuelan oil by building 45 nuclear power plants straight away."
I was under the impression that it took some time to build up power plants.
Both of them ignored the question. The chairman guy asked for a number. Did they give him one? Did they fuck. Not only that he asked for it "in their first term", but candidates said "in 8-10 years". That's longer than the two terms you're allowed guys -.-
McCain: "We can remove our dependance on middle eastern/venezuelan oil by building 45 nuclear power plants straight away."
I was under the impression that it took some time to build up power plants.
Both of them ignored the question. The chairman guy asked for a number. Did they give him one? Did they fuck. Not only that he asked for it "in their first term", but candidates said "in 8-10 years". That's longer than the two terms you're allowed guys -.-
Its on now and very boring. but like the other 2 debates it will be seen as a win for Obama by most and a win for McCain by fox. meaning I think I'm going to be the first to say this, eh hem, I hereby congratulate Barack Obama for winning the presidency of the united states, barring something really weird like McCain promising ice cream and puppies for everyone when he becomes president.
Please tell me that you're kidding???AgentCLXXXIII post=18.74130.822955 said:
Where to begin???
1. Unemployment is at near record levels.
2. Gas prices are at near record levels.
-Oil companies are producing record profits, and are some of the only companies not to be hurt by the current economic downturn...aka...soon-to-be-recession.
3. A soaring budget defecit.
4. A national budget which makes Clinton's budgets look like he was a conservative.
5. Five years fighting a needless, totally bogus war in a country that had no involvement with 9/11, or any other terrorist activity as it pertains to the current "War on Terror."
6. Over 3,000 American soldiers lives wasted to fight a VERY illegal war.
7. Leading a country to war on false pretenses.
8. Failing to respond to memebers of his staff who KNOWINGLY OUTED CIA operatives who were operating in Iran, the REAL danger. (Treason perhaps???)
Would you like me to keep going???
hmmm ok in addition to the previously mentioned things about bushAgentCLXXXIII post=18.74130.822955 said:
9. the LEAST accountable president ever
10. the most undocumented changes to the constitution
11. war crimes - yes several countries have mentioned he's a war criminal and ppl have tried to have him tried
12. he's lied MANY times to the ppl of his country
13. has refused to release the national oil reserve as prices are raised - ALL other presidents before have done this
14. went from the largest surplus to the largest debt ever
i could keep going
as for the topic on hand, Obama came off very good, McCain sounded like a broken record that kept skipping by going back to topics
Obama brought up a lot of good points in his arguments, McCain came up with some good ones and he sounded like a broken record that kept skipping by going back to topics. Obama did have some problems and gave McCain the smackdown a few times. McCain did the same and sounded like a broken record that kept skipping by going back to topics
Obama did refute most of McCain's points, McCain really tried and sounded like a broken record that kept skipping by going back to topics
yes very much soAmnestic post=18.74130.823162 said:
he kept going back to the same damn topic and the exact same point, a few times Obama was actually laughing at it, he even did it a few times after Obama outright refuted his claim
those last 2 debates really didn't do good for McCain
I watched the debate, and I have to agree with you, Necroswanson. Nothing was really accomplished/changed there.
And yes, Georeg W. Bush is the James Buchanan of the 21st century. (FYI, Buchanan, the 15th president, compiled a bunch of problems and dumped them onto the next guy [Lincoln, best President ever])
And yes, Georeg W. Bush is the James Buchanan of the 21st century. (FYI, Buchanan, the 15th president, compiled a bunch of problems and dumped them onto the next guy [Lincoln, best President ever])
Mc Cain was like a dog with a bone there. He went at it and then some more. The problem I see with it is that he didn't really say much of substance and focused on vying for that one-punch-knockout, and that seemed to be working for him until somehow stuff stopped working for him, and then Obama just capitalized with that silver tongue of his.
Truth be told, Obama kinda did what he had to do and kept things like they've always been, and unless the media somehow finds a way to turn this in favor of Mc Cain, they'll stay the same.
I find it funny, when people speak about offense and deffence in this kind of debate, instead of focusing on the issues at hand, as if by acting tough instead of actually communicating what they are supposedly going to do is better.
Truth be told, Obama kinda did what he had to do and kept things like they've always been, and unless the media somehow finds a way to turn this in favor of Mc Cain, they'll stay the same.
I find it funny, when people speak about offense and deffence in this kind of debate, instead of focusing on the issues at hand, as if by acting tough instead of actually communicating what they are supposedly going to do is better.
I caught a bit of the debate during dinner because my roommate wouldn't let me change the channel.
McCain seems like a fairly intelligent man, and since I generally keep my nose out of politics I really don't care who wins... but...
The man is old as fuck. I can't see him living through four years in office. And Palin just seems like a joke to me-- every time I see her on TV she's saying something stupid. Again, granted, I don't pay much attention to politics because I don't give a shit, but I wouldn't want Palin running my country.
McCain seems like a fairly intelligent man, and since I generally keep my nose out of politics I really don't care who wins... but...
The man is old as fuck. I can't see him living through four years in office. And Palin just seems like a joke to me-- every time I see her on TV she's saying something stupid. Again, granted, I don't pay much attention to politics because I don't give a shit, but I wouldn't want Palin running my country.
Mc Cain is a smart dude, and obviously has the edge on Obama experience wise, but he's being mismanaged by his campaign team by having him go all out, guns blazing on the other guy. He also didn't shed light on many topics and instead focused more on attacking Obama, as if the debate was solely some kind of PR stunt where he had to show he was more badass. Also, I just don't see him pushing for the reforms the U.S so desperately needs. He's an orthodox republican through and through, and that comes out in his discourse, but just not enough (in my view) to actually appeal to the non-republican voters in the midst of all the attacks directed at Obama.HSIAMetalKing post=18.74130.823332 said:
Mc Cain should speak more and attack less if he intends to win this thing, and surround himself with better people to actually give him some fresh ideas.
I would be inclined to agree more if the Republican party and McCain were not distancing themselves politically from W in a very pronounced way.AgentCLXXXIII post=18.74130.822955 said:
As for the redirection of an enemy attack to forces on the Middle East, I have to say that is one of the most creative interpretations of that money hole I have heard to date. So the reason for the Iraq invasion is so the Afghan based terrorist groups responsible for 9/11 would direct their efforts to the more conveniently located target? That is brilliant... it is also a bit of a stretch.
I don't know if one could call W the worst president in history, I mean remember that Nixon guy? But worst or not he is not going out on a note that will paint him in any sort of positive light in the history books.