Final Fantasy X ruined Final Fantasy (and Square)

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Jfswift

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My random thoughts:
I actually thought Blitzball was kind of cool. My only real complaint was that they give you such a crap team for the very first game you play. (I seriously made like four attempts to win and at best only managed to tie once. I was proud of that >.>)

I Liked Wakka probably more than the other characters only because he wasn't recycled as far as I could tell. He wasn't another damn Cid or chocobo or some whatever. :p

Yuna had issues, although she wasn't the stereotypical weak little girl. She was horribly, horribly broken and overpowered if anything.

I agree though with the world exploration, that started a negative trend. I missed being able to float around in my airship and check out places.
 

LogicNProportion

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While I agree with you a lot, I still liked FFX. The soundtrack was damn good, too.

One problem though. As Square, and myself have said since the game's release:

Despite Tidus' whole "This is my story." thing, it really isn't. At least, not until the last bits of the game when he finds out he's a dream. In fact, Yuna is the actual main character. Tidus is merely the protagonist.

It's sort of like FF12. Vaan is a the protagonist, but the real main character is Ashe.
 

Wolfenbarg

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I agree with the poster who said this is basically Spoony's review in essay format. At very least though your review is actually a credible review. Spoony had points but decided to shout and rant and rave instead of presenting anything logically, so your review wins a 1up shroom. I disagree with a lot of the points though. No time to sort through them all, but let's tackle the major ones:

Characters: I won't go through them all, but let's just stick with Tidus. I don't understand the hate he gets because he's not a stoic super soldier like Cloud or Squall. In contrast, like Zidane he behaves in a manner that is incredibly believable in relation to the real world, especially considering his backstory. He's a sports god that suddenly is on an escort mission of the one woman who can save the world. Of course he cried about it at first. However, by the end he's staring his doom straight in the face, and he makes the right decision anyway. He traded his life for the woman he loved essentially. I don't see how that's a weak characterization, because his growth was steady and never really that jarring in my opinion. His major problem was...

Voice Acting: Yeah... it was bad. However, it was the first time the franchise had tackled voice acting. While a few games had done it incredibly well such as Soul Reaver (still one of the best), it was still a relatively new thing. Besides, back when it came out I and many others thought the voice acting was good with a few exceptions (you know which scene). It was a problem, but... eh.

Exploration: Technical trade-off. They ditched the overworld map, but it finally allowed them to have a fully rendered 3D map in real time. That was HUGE, especially considering how long the game is. However, they did make up for it in a lot of ways. The major mini-game soaks up many hours, getting the ultimate weapons requires a lot of roaming off the beaten path, and the creature arena provides plenty to do. Not the best trade-offs in the world, but honestly I found the extra exploration in the playstation era games alienating at best and frustrating at worst.

Plot: What of it doesn't make sense to you? It starts as a rather cliche journey of a woman who is destined to save the world, then it slowly unravels the layers and brings the cold, ugly truth out into the light. If you're saying it doesn't make sense when all pieces are brought together, then I guess I can break it down for you.

Many games bear the name Final Fantasy, but this one is probably the only one where the name actually serves the plot. The people of Zanarkand wanted a chance for their home to live on, even if it was merely a dream. They recreated it and had sin as the protector of their Final Fantasy (ZING!) Sin went rampage trying to protect it though, and then you have the events of the game. I don't see how this plot is nonsensical or convoluted compared to say... VII. At least in this game you don't have 3 different accounts of what the hell is going on.

Did this game ruin the series? I don't think so. The next single player title in the series was XII for goodness sake. There is no numbered Final Fantasy that is anything like XII, as the only games it bears resemblance to are games in the Tactics series. It had unbelievably good voice acting, great dialogue, the writing was solid, and the plot had intrigue for both the advancement of the story and the believability of the characters and especially the villains. Then of course you have XIII. Something you have to remember about XIII is that after XII, many fans jumped on the hate bandwagon and destroyed the game on message boards across the internet and clamored for the formula of X. And that's pretty much exactly what they tried... though in my opinion they failed miserably.

If you hated the change of formula in XII and the unfortunate return to form in XIII, it might seem like the series has gone downhill. However to me it just seemed like an experiment followed by a return to form. Both of them were received quite well critically, but fans are divided. I think it will take one more major title to see whether or not they've lost their chops.
 

Kiriona

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Well, I do agree with you about a lot of things. the dialogue was silly, the characters weren't very well developed, and the lip syncing drove me NUTS. And I HATED blitzball.

But I loved it mostly for the story and the themes it explores. I usually ignore Tidus and other personal stories and look at what's happening to Spira as the foundations for their government, religion and way of life is thoroughly shaken. The combat was fun, too. And you're right: Auron is awesome. :)
 

GSpin

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I think a few of the points the OP made were acceptable, but most of them were nonsense.

1.) His first con called the characters "terrible." The last three pros were all characters. You claimed that Auron is one of the best characters throughout the entire FF series, then went on to call him "a pre-existing, one dimensional character."
2.) Another con was terrible voice acting. This was their first game with voice acting, and one of the first games to feature it on the PS2. Obviously looking back now it isn't going to seem that great compared to what you are used to now. Obviously nothing is going to be perfect when you are experimenting with it for the first time. But seeing how little experience the developers had with matching voices up to mouth movements, and the graphics they had back then, it really isn't bad at all.
3.) You said explaining the plot would make someone sound like a madman, while 7 and 9 both had fantastic writers. I loved both 7 and 9, two of my favorite games. Yet I will challenge you to describe the plots of those games without sounding at least a little crazy.
4.) You complained about big boobs, strange hair dos, and ridiculous clothes. Are you sure you're a FF fan? Are you sure you've played games from Japan before?


All that being sad, I was not a big fan of FFX. But that's just because it wasn't my cup of tea. I don't mind a game being called bad if it was bad. But even though I didn't really enjoy it, it was definitely a high quality game.
 
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Apperantly I am some kind of blastphemous noob because though I completely disagree with this post, this isn't the first time I've heard of or had this argument. I LOVE Final Fantasy X. I loved the story, the characters, the world of Spira and especially blitzball. It was one of the few games whose story gripped me and held my attention tighly while simultaneously rubbibng it's cock gently across my emotions. And As was stated previosuly character development is what kept it going for me.

I hated Tidus, at the beginning of the story, I was desperately wishing he would go the Way of Aeris and just die. But by the end of the game I was nearly in awe at the power of the scene when he and Yuna separated. Now us gamers being the manly men we are don't give a shit about all that romance etc. but this game actually made me care about that aspect of the story as well as the stark comparisons between the corrupt infrastructure of Yevon and the catholic chruch. Overall I felt it to be an action packed thrill ride, That was beyond it's time. Then you tack on great fighing, imaginative enemies, awesome boss fights, and THE BEST RENDERING (cutscenes) of that time and to me you have a game that is just 100% good.

Linear? A little but there are a few bonus Aeons, and if you didn't hate Blitzball so much you would have found pleny of exploring to do (acquiring players and secret skills). And then theres the monster arena, which was definately an mmo style grind but it was rewarded with dope items and some of the most difficult boss fights I've ever done. For me it truly was the "Final Fantasy". It was the last game in the series I liked, and in my opinion the best game of the series. If it weren't for that dreadful X-2 sequel they tried to tack on Lucasflm style, this would be a perfect game to me. My friends have heard me exclaim numerous times with dorkily fervent passion that this is my favorite game of all time. But thats just me of course.
 

Aurgelmir

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I personally love FFX, its one of my favorites.

It had one of the most interesting combat systems, which made random encounters fun rather than annoying (since you gained "levels" so fast.

The story is actually quite good too.

Sure the voice acting isn't to good, but hey what PS2 games had really good VA? Not that many.
 

Calax

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LogicNProportion said:
While I agree with you a lot, I still liked FFX. The soundtrack was damn good, too.

One problem though. As Square, and myself have said since the game's release:

Despite Tidus' whole "This is my story." thing, it really isn't. At least, not until the last bits of the game when he finds out he's a dream. In fact, Yuna is the actual main character. Tidus is merely the protagonist.

It's sort of like FF12. Vaan is a the protagonist, but the real main character is Ashe.
Thing that was different between 12 and X was that in 12 (at least the little bit I could play) it felt like Vaan, Panelo and their friends that joined the quest were ENTIRELY tacked on, while Tidus was actually a part of things.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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I dunno, I liked FFX. I think it's these long ass dev times that really ruined Final Fantasy. If FF12 had come out in 2008 I probably would have enjoyed it more.
 

Auron225

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Final Fantasy X is not just my favourite final fantasy, its my favourite game of all time. People have different tastes so dont think you've written an academic review - you just published your opinion in extensive detail. I now ask you to kindly shut the hell up =)

Edit: And the story was one of my favourite things about it, as well as the charcters. And I found Blitzball fun too! Its all down to people's tastes.
 

Wuvlycuddles

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I gotta admit, FFX was pretty damn awesome on my first play through, i never did finish that second playthrough however, after i got over how good the game looked (i don't think anyone can argue that it didn't) i started to notice how much of the game really sucked. FFXII was the first FF game i had bought and didn't finish, the characters pissed me right off and the less said about 13 the better.

So yeah, some good points and i agree with you!

Also, anyone else think squeeenix are morons for NOT making a Laguna/Kiros/Ward spin off?
Those guys f'kin rocked.
 

yanipheonu

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At this point, Square fans have their expectations so high Square couldn't possibly meet them. FFX was a good game. It's not as good as 6, but that game was amazing, I can't expect them to duplicate it.

So long as you have reasonable expectations, you can find most of these games enjoyable. There are sure to be favourite and disliked versions, but in the end, Final Fantasy games are always well made games.

Square will keep making the game they want to, so long as it sells well, they'll keep doing so. DEAL WITH IT.