Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Gets Release Date, New Trailer

[CharrHearted]

This thread is plagued with spoony-tards...

The laughing was forced
the acting was good.
The story was unique and fun
The gameplay was enjoyable
The villain was intimidating

DEAL WITH IT! It was a good game! Why can't people understand this?

 

[klaynexas3]

Yes! Awesome, I'm so looking forward to this. If only this was coming to PS4's PSN...

It might be on Gaikai, which Sony said should be up and running sometime in early 2014, so if you don't have a problem with game streaming, there's your FFX for PS4.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Please let them fix the voice acting in the dreaded laughing scene, I always turned my TV off for a minute during that cutscene. Also this is probably my biggest reason to get a PS3.

You do know that forced laughter was intended for that scene, don't you?

My god, when will people realize that the scene did what it set out to do.

That doesn't change the fact that said scene has been known to cause bleeding from the ears in many players. The voice acting, in general, was atrocious in FFX, and only got worse in X-2.

Never heard of anyone bleeding from the ears. You sure you want to use the word "fact" here? I was thinking hyperbole would work better.

Captcha: Escapist must be crazy to think I am going to willingly type an ad slogan.

This thread is plagued with spoony-tards...

The laughing was forced
the acting was good.
The story was unique and fun
The gameplay was enjoyable
The villain was intimidating

DEAL WITH IT! It was a good game! Why can't people understand this?

..because they had too much Hatorade.

 

[RJ 17]

Please let them fix the voice acting in the dreaded laughing scene, I always turned my TV off for a minute during that cutscene. Also this is probably my biggest reason to get a PS3.

You do know that forced laughter was intended for that scene, don't you?

My god, when will people realize that the scene did what it set out to do.

That doesn't change the fact that said scene has been known to cause bleeding from the ears in many players. The voice acting, in general, was atrocious in FFX, and only got worse in X-2.

Never heard of anyone bleeding from the ears. You sure you want to use the word "fact" here? I was thinking hyperbole would work better.

Oh I just love the people that take every single word written on the internet to be 100% literal. God forbid someone use hyperbole, exaggeration, sarcasm, or even a simple jest without people coming back "I WANT PROOF! DON'T SAY THAT UNLESS YOU CAN BACK IT UP!"

I submit that such people have even less of a life than I do if they can't see a literary device without it being specifically labeled as such...and that's truly saying something because I've no life whatsoever.

The laughing was forced

That doesn't change the fact that the laughing scene is still god awful.

the acting was good.

Subjective opinion is subjective, and there are a lot of people who disagree with your opinion in this case.

The story was unique and fun

Unique? Not really, but then again nothing really is these days. But a corrupt theocracy abusing its power over the blind people of the world in worship to a false god which actually kills those who worship it is not a unique story. Fun? Again, your subjective opinion. Personally I found the story to be exceedingly too linear for my tastes. I found the characters to be one-dimensional, the over-use of Yuna being kidnapped just to force the plot from one point to another got very tiresome as well.

The gameplay was enjoyable

Well the battle system was enjoyable, I'll give you that at least. I'd argue that the sphere grid was a lame level-up system though.

The villain was intimidating

Which one? Sin? Sure, a giant city-obliterating flying sea monster would be pretty intimidating if it couldn't be taken down by a guy throwing dodgeballs at it's fin. If you're talking about the true villain, that being Yevon, I'm sorry but you're just flat-out wrong in this case, that or VERY easily intimidated. I'm sorry, but I don't find a main boss fight in which it's literally impossible to lose unless you kill your own party twice to be a very intimidating main boss fight.

DEAL WITH IT! It was a good game! Why can't people understand this?

I love it when people use the "deal with it!" argument. It didn't work for the guys trying to convince us that the XBone as originally announced was. What that really says is "I know my argument amounts to a pile of beans and therefor isn't very convincing at all, but I'm still right, damnit!" The game was terrible, in my opinion, and was in fact the half of the reason I gave up on the Final Fantasy franchise...with X-2 being the other half. Not everyone is going to consider your favorite game to be god's gift to RPGs. Why can't people understand this?

This thread is plagued with spoony-tards...

Spoony brings up plenty of perfectly valid criticisms, and as I mentioned your "deal with it!" comment does absolutely nothing to take away from the validity of his criticisms. That said, you're perfectly entitled to enjoying the game as much as you want. Honestly. I'm happy you enjoy the game so much. The moral of the story is that you shouldn't give a damn what people have to say about a product that you enjoy, because they certainly don't (or shouldn't) give a damn that you enjoy it.

I wrote this response not because I care that you like it, but simply because I can't stand the "deal with it" argument.

And to prove to Weeping Angel that I have no life.

What's wrong with the story of X? I enjoyed it. Also I think some of the earlier FF (the ones that weren't in 3D) got/are being released on PSN, and I'm pretty sure some are on the android store as well.

This response is getting big enough as it is, so I'll just touch on some of the major points.

-After watching Sin completely wipe out a city, they decide to take a break from their pilgrimage to go to a frickin' Blitz Ball tournament...you'd think after seeing Sin's destructive power first-hand they'd be more determined than ever to finish their pilgrimage.
-Seymour is a horribly transparent villain with a ridiculous motivation. "I want to kill everyone and destroy the world! That way no one will have to suffer again!" That and he's apparently one of the unsent dead. The heroes find this out about the same time they finally realize he's a villain...shouldn't a simple sending dance remove him as a threat? Don't they have plenty of chances to send him upon realizing he's an evil unsent dead person? Why don't they ever send him? For that matter, why isn't Tidus sent while he watches Yuna do the first sending dance?
-Despite the fact that the use of machines is strictly forbidden by the church, you still encounter plenty of church-based enemies using machines.
-Everything that happens up until you get to Zanarkand is a flashback as Tidus is telling the story.......to all the people he's been traveling with who have therefor experienced everything he just talked about first-hand.
-No one throughout the entire story calls Tidus by his name. He never actually introduces himself at any point. This is due to the fact that you get to actually name him however you like, but for all intents and purposes this means that he's still just a no-name stranger to the rest of the group. This means that ostensibly Yuna gives her away virginity during the crystal forest sex-scene to some guy whose name she doesn't even know.
-Tidus' identity gets even more muddled up when you try to reconcile who/what the hell he's supposed to be with relation to Shuyin from FFX-2

I'd say that's about enough for now.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Oh I just love the people that take every single word written on the internet to be 100% literal. God forbid someone use hyperbole, exaggeration, sarcasm, or even a simple jest without people coming back "I WANT PROOF! DON'T SAY THAT UNLESS YOU CAN BACK IT UP!"

I submit that such people have even less of a life than I do if they can't see a literary device without it being specifically labeled as such...and that's truly saying something because I've no life whatsoever.

Use hyperbole, but claim it's a fact, get called out for it.

I submit that most of use have been hearing about the laughing scene or over a decade and we are just fuckin' sick of it. Let me say it again for those who can't fuckin figure it out:

The laughing scene was intended to feel forced and uncomfortable, it worked as intended.

 

[RJ 17]

Oh I just love the people that take every single word written on the internet to be 100% literal. God forbid someone use hyperbole, exaggeration, sarcasm, or even a simple jest without people coming back "I WANT PROOF! DON'T SAY THAT UNLESS YOU CAN BACK IT UP!"

I submit that such people have even less of a life than I do if they can't see a literary device without it being specifically labeled as such...and that's truly saying something because I've no life whatsoever.

Use hyperbole, but claim it's a fact, get called out for it.

I submit that most of use have been hearing about the laughing scene or over a decade and we are just fuckin' sick of it. Let me say it again for those who can't fuckin figure it out:

The laughing scene was intended to feel forced and uncomfortable, it worked as intended.

Or the word "fact" could have been part of the hyperbole? *GASP!* NO! That's not possible! The word "fact" can never be used in a figurative sense!!!!

And what's with the temper? You're almost acting as though the very "sound" of my words is grating on your nerves and annoying you to the point of cussing despite the fact that they're just doing what they're intended to do: convey the point of my side of this discussion. Kinda like how a certain scene from a certain RPG can grate on people's nerves and annoy them to the point of hyperbolically claiming it makes their ears bleed.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Oh I just love the people that take every single word written on the internet to be 100% literal. God forbid someone use hyperbole, exaggeration, sarcasm, or even a simple jest without people coming back "I WANT PROOF! DON'T SAY THAT UNLESS YOU CAN BACK IT UP!"

I submit that such people have even less of a life than I do if they can't see a literary device without it being specifically labeled as such...and that's truly saying something because I've no life whatsoever.

Use hyperbole, but claim it's a fact, get called out for it.

I submit that most of use have been hearing about the laughing scene or over a decade and we are just fuckin' sick of it. Let me say it again for those who can't fuckin figure it out:

The laughing scene was intended to feel forced and uncomfortable, it worked as intended.

Or the word "fact" could have been part of the hyperbole? *GASP!* NO! That's not possible! The word "fact" can never be used in a figurative sense!!!!

And what's with the temper? You're almost acting as though the very "sound" of my words is grating on your nerves and annoying you to the point of cussing despite the fact that they're just doing what they're intended to do: convey the point of my side of this discussion. Kinda like how a certain scene from a certain RPG can grate on people's nerves and annoy them to the point of hyperbolically claiming it makes their ears bleed.

My temper is fine. I guess you just can't explain some things to some people. I hope the re-release doesn't spawn another decade of whining about a scene that turned out as it was intended.

 

[RJ 17]

Oh I just love the people that take every single word written on the internet to be 100% literal. God forbid someone use hyperbole, exaggeration, sarcasm, or even a simple jest without people coming back "I WANT PROOF! DON'T SAY THAT UNLESS YOU CAN BACK IT UP!"

I submit that such people have even less of a life than I do if they can't see a literary device without it being specifically labeled as such...and that's truly saying something because I've no life whatsoever.

Use hyperbole, but claim it's a fact, get called out for it.

I submit that most of use have been hearing about the laughing scene or over a decade and we are just fuckin' sick of it. Let me say it again for those who can't fuckin figure it out:

The laughing scene was intended to feel forced and uncomfortable, it worked as intended.

Or the word "fact" could have been part of the hyperbole? *GASP!* NO! That's not possible! The word "fact" can never be used in a figurative sense!!!!

And what's with the temper? You're almost acting as though the very "sound" of my words is grating on your nerves and annoying you to the point of cussing despite the fact that they're just doing what they're intended to do: convey the point of my side of this discussion. Kinda like how a certain scene from a certain RPG can grate on people's nerves and annoy them to the point of hyperbolically claiming it makes their ears bleed.

My temper is fine. I guess you just can't explain some things to some people. I hope the re-release doesn't spawn another decade of whining about a scene that turned out as it was intended.

Indeed, I guess you really can't explain some things to some people. I believe we're done here, have a pleasant evening.

 

[Drummodino]

I'll be picking this up for sure. Never played the originals but always wanted to, and I need more games for my Vita.

 

[rees263]

This response is getting big enough as it is, so I'll just touch on some of the major points.

Usually I would say getting into a discussion about the merits and failings of an FF game on the internet is a foolish effort BUT since this is my favourite game and I'm getting excited about the HD rerelease I'm going to try and make a few counter points:

Spoiler: Long post with FFX spoilers

-After watching Sin completely wipe out a city, they decide to take a break from their pilgrimage to go to a frickin' Blitz Ball tournament...you'd think after seeing Sin's destructive power first-hand they'd be more determined than ever to finish their pilgrimage.

They do explain why Blitzball is so important to Spira - it's all they have left for entertainment and they would sacrifice a lot to keep it. Presumably this includes a day or two on Yuna's pilgrimage. I don't think this is any more incongruous than doing side quests and mini games in other FF titles.

-Seymour is a horribly transparent villain with a ridiculous motivation. "I want to kill everyone and destroy the world! That way no one will have to suffer again!" That and he's apparently one of the unsent dead. The heroes find this out about the same time they finally realize he's a villain...shouldn't a simple sending dance remove him as a threat? Don't they have plenty of chances to send him upon realizing he's an evil unsent dead person? Why don't they ever send him? For that matter, why isn't Tidus sent while he watches Yuna do the first sending dance?

Seymour has a lot of issues and is clearly insane... I will admit that this doesn't make him an interesting villain but his motivations do at least make sense, as much as the actions of a mad man can make sense. He doesn't become an unsent until after he is defeated for the first time in Macalania. After that the whole sending/unsent business does seem to leave a few plot holes. They can't send him straight away because he fights back. Once they've beaten him, who knows? Maybe because there's nothing left to send. Tidus isn't an unsent - he's basically an Aeon which is why it doesn't affect him.

-Despite the fact that the use of machines is strictly forbidden by the church, you still encounter plenty of church-based enemies using machines.

The religious doctrine seems to allow the use of machina in certain situations, although Wakka definitely gets upset when he finds this out. Presumably the greater population either has no idea or are so devoted to Yevon they won't question apparent contradictions. Definitely potential for plot holes here.

-Everything that happens up until you get to Zanarkand is a flashback as Tidus is telling the story.......to all the people he's been traveling with who have therefor experienced everything he just talked about first-hand.

This is mostly true and I'm not sure why they used this story telling device. That said there are a lot of places where you don't have a full party - it's quite a while before Rikku joins the party and Yuna is missing a fair bit.

-No one throughout the entire story calls Tidus by his name. He never actually introduces himself at any point. This is due to the fact that you get to actually name him however you like, but for all intents and purposes this means that he's still just a no-name stranger to the rest of the group. This means that ostensibly Yuna gives her away virginity during the crystal forest sex-scene to some guy whose name she doesn't even know.

Like you said, unavoidable because they let you name Tidus yourself, though thankfully they've moved away from it since. It definitely gets weird the more they try and find other ways to refer to him. I think we can assume he introduced himself properly off screen.

-Tidus' identity gets even more muddled up when you try to reconcile who/what the hell he's supposed to be with relation to Shuyin from FFX-2

This is less a problem with FFX and more of an issue with X-2 and while I have played the game I'm not overly familiar with the plot.

 

[RJ 17]

This response is getting big enough as it is, so I'll just touch on some of the major points.

Usually I would say getting into a discussion about the merits and failings of an FF game on the internet is a foolish effort BUT since this is my favourite game and I'm getting excited about the HD rerelease I'm going to try and make a few counter points:

Spoiler: Long post with FFX spoilers

-After watching Sin completely wipe out a city, they decide to take a break from their pilgrimage to go to a frickin' Blitz Ball tournament...you'd think after seeing Sin's destructive power first-hand they'd be more determined than ever to finish their pilgrimage.

They do explain why Blitzball is so important to Spira - it's all they have left for entertainment and they would sacrifice a lot to keep it. Presumably this includes a day or two on Yuna's pilgrimage. I don't think this is any more incongruous than doing side quests and mini games in other FF titles.

-Seymour is a horribly transparent villain with a ridiculous motivation. "I want to kill everyone and destroy the world! That way no one will have to suffer again!" That and he's apparently one of the unsent dead. The heroes find this out about the same time they finally realize he's a villain...shouldn't a simple sending dance remove him as a threat? Don't they have plenty of chances to send him upon realizing he's an evil unsent dead person? Why don't they ever send him? For that matter, why isn't Tidus sent while he watches Yuna do the first sending dance?

Seymour has a lot of issues and is clearly insane... I will admit that this doesn't make him an interesting villain but his motivations do at least make sense, as much as the actions of a mad man can make sense. He doesn't become an unsent until after he is defeated for the first time in Macalania. After that the whole sending/unsent business does seem to leave a few plot holes. They can't send him straight away because he fights back. Once they've beaten him, who knows? Maybe because there's nothing left to send. Tidus isn't an unsent - he's basically an Aeon which is why it doesn't affect him.

-Despite the fact that the use of machines is strictly forbidden by the church, you still encounter plenty of church-based enemies using machines.

The religious doctrine seems to allow the use of machina in certain situations, although Wakka definitely gets upset when he finds this out. Presumably the greater population either has no idea or are so devoted to Yevon they won't question apparent contradictions. Definitely potential for plot holes here.

-Everything that happens up until you get to Zanarkand is a flashback as Tidus is telling the story.......to all the people he's been traveling with who have therefor experienced everything he just talked about first-hand.

This is mostly true and I'm not sure why they used this story telling device. That said there are a lot of places where you don't have a full party - it's quite a while before Rikku joins the party and Yuna is missing a fair bit.

-No one throughout the entire story calls Tidus by his name. He never actually introduces himself at any point. This is due to the fact that you get to actually name him however you like, but for all intents and purposes this means that he's still just a no-name stranger to the rest of the group. This means that ostensibly Yuna gives her away virginity during the crystal forest sex-scene to some guy whose name she doesn't even know.

Like you said, unavoidable because they let you name Tidus yourself, though thankfully they've moved away from it since. It definitely gets weird the more they try and find other ways to refer to him. I think we can assume he introduced himself properly off screen.

-Tidus' identity gets even more muddled up when you try to reconcile who/what the hell he's supposed to be with relation to Shuyin from FFX-2

This is less a problem with FFX and more of an issue with X-2 and while I have played the game I'm not overly familiar with the plot.

I'm really sorry, but I just can't be bothered to read that because as you pointed out is perfectly true: it's foolish to argue merits and failings of an FF game - or any game, for that matter - on the internet and expect to get anywhere. So like I told CharrHearted: I'm perfectly happy with the fact that you enjoy the game. Good for you, my friend. The only point to my side of the discussion is for people to understand and accept why some people say that it's a terrible game. My opinion on the matter clearly hasn't ruined how much you enjoy the game, and by all rights it shouldn't because I'm just some random jackass on the internet. As I said before in this topic: FFX and FFX-2 are specifically why I stopped giving a damn about the franchise and haven't played a single game since. The general opinion of people that have played FF games beyond X and X-2 would seem to indicate that I really haven't been missing much at all.

For context, you could call me a Gen-1 FF player. I was there back in the day when the first one was released back on the NES. I grew up playing FFII and FFIII (4 and 6, respectively) when they first came out on the SNES. Those are the games that I consider the "classics", the "golden age" of the franchise. Because I grew up with those games, I consider what the series has become - as exemplified in FFX and FFX-2 - to be a complete bastardization of the series.

So it very well could simply be an age-bias thing, but you'll never convince me that any FF beyond 7 (with the exception of the original FFTactics) was as good as the FF's before 7. And for that matter, while FF7 was certainly enjoyable, I wouldn't consider it God's Gift to the Franchise that everyone makes it out to be.

 

[rees263]

For context, you could call me a Gen-1 FF player. I was there back in the day when the first one was released back on the NES. I grew up playing FFII and FFIII (4 and 6, respectively) when they first came out on the SNES. Those are the games that I consider the "classics", the "golden age" of the franchise. Because I grew up with those games, I consider what the series has become - as exemplified in FFX and FFX-2 - to be a complete bastardization of the series.

So it very well could simply be an age-bias thing, but you'll never convince me that any FF beyond 7 (with the exception of the original FFTactics) was as good as the FF's before 7. And for that matter, while FF7 was certainly enjoyable, I wouldn't consider it God's Gift to the Franchise that everyone makes it out to be.

In some ways I'm jealous of you - I grew up on the wrong side of both the 80s and the Atlantic to play any Final Fantasy before 7. Maybe that affects my enjoyment. I'm only playing FF6 for the first time now and I'm loving it. Having said that I know people who look at 16 bit graphics and want nothing to do with it.

 

[JarinArenos]

Don't like FFX, but glad that its many fans are getting this. And hey, it's one step closer to my long-awaited FFXII-HD.

Years-later edit: Worth. The. Damn. Wait.

 

[RJ 17]

For context, you could call me a Gen-1 FF player. I was there back in the day when the first one was released back on the NES. I grew up playing FFII and FFIII (4 and 6, respectively) when they first came out on the SNES. Those are the games that I consider the "classics", the "golden age" of the franchise. Because I grew up with those games, I consider what the series has become - as exemplified in FFX and FFX-2 - to be a complete bastardization of the series.

So it very well could simply be an age-bias thing, but you'll never convince me that any FF beyond 7 (with the exception of the original FFTactics) was as good as the FF's before 7. And for that matter, while FF7 was certainly enjoyable, I wouldn't consider it God's Gift to the Franchise that everyone makes it out to be.

In some ways I'm jealous of you - I grew up on the wrong side of both the 80s and the Atlantic to play any Final Fantasy before 7. Maybe that affects my enjoyment. I'm only playing FF6 for the first time now and I'm loving it. Having said that I know people who look at 16 bit graphics and want nothing to do with it.

And that's what I'm getting at. I fully understand that there's fans like yourself who grew up playing 7, 8, 9, etc so they really don't have a basis for comparison like the people who grew up playing 1,2(4), and 3(6).

FF6 is indeed a fantastic game. Great story, fun characters, good setting, easy to understand level-up system. The only one I like better than that would be FF4. Unlike current iterations, you don't actually get to pick your party members. Some party members come and go as the game progresses so your party set-up actually plays a part in the story.

But yeah, that's really where my frustration comes from with regards to the more "recent" installments of the series. They've completely moved away from what the game used to be like and for some of us "dinosaurs" that grew up with the original thing when it first came out, we don't really like what we see.

As for the people who sneer at 16 bit, I still argue that one of the things that made the older games better is the fact that they didn't have dazzling visual cinematic scenes to impress you. What gripped you was the story itself.

Oh and since you mentioned that you're just now playing FF6, here's a tip: if you haven't already made it past the floating island, when you're making your escape from there it'll give you an option to jump or wait. Make sure you pick to wait, then just stand there at the jump point and wait. Just to be safe I always pick wait, take a step away, then step back to the jump-point and pick wait again because the wait message says something else that may or may not affect the outcome. Just be sure to wait though. :3

 

[Mister K]

So many conflicting reports about these games! I was thinking about getting these since I'll probably have a Vita by then, but paying fullmprice gor a gane I might not like frightens me dearly. Are these atleast packaged together, or are they sold separately?

From what I know, PS3 version is a bundle. Don't know aboit Vita one.
As for the game itself, I'll say like this:
It is still one of my favorite games. I greatly enjoyed it during all 6 of my playthroughs. It has flaws, like absolutely everything. But still it has my favorite female character, one of my favorite stories and battle systems. Even the infamous laughing scene is fine by me, because it is SUPPOSED to be awkward.
What I mean is that for many this game is bad, but for many more it is their favorite game. Try it yourself.

I was never too worried about the laughing part. It's one scene in a bajillion hour game that I can always mute if it gets too cringey. I'll definiteky look into it, especially if they're bundled. If they arent, does X tell a complete story, or will I need both for any kind of conclusion?

No, no, no. As a guy who played both, I can assure you that you don't need X-2 for a completed story. What do you think it is, FFXIII?

 

[Gaveon]

I just dont like how they pretty much spoil one of the biggest twists of the game in this trailer.

 

[FinalDream]

Yes! Awesome, I'm so looking forward to this. If only this was coming to PS4's PSN...

It might be on Gaikai, which Sony said should be up and running sometime in early 2014, so if you don't have a problem with game streaming, there's your FFX for PS4.

Living in the UK, after Sonys comments on the state of broadband here, I'm not holding out for such a quick release! I need my nostalgia fix sooner!

 

[schrodinger]

I just know SE remastered this game because the graphics didn't need a major graphical overhaul like other games would need, and it is 'old' enough to justify it's upgrade.

Square Enix you lazy bastards! [HEADING=1]Give me my Final Fantasy 9 remake already![/HEADING]

 

[Auron225]

I just dont like how they pretty much spoil one of the biggest twists of the game in this trailer.

Good point. I guess they are assuming anyone planning to get this will have played the original PS2 version... but then that assumption in neglecting anyone who missed the boat last time and wants to take advantage of the HD remake now to play it.