Final Fantasy XIII-3's Environments Will Be "About 90%" Open

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I'm pretty much just staying away from XIII and all games related to it, which possibly includes XV, since that's just what they're calling Versus XIII now. Couldn't get into the first game, so there's really no reason to get into the others. So your 90% open world is too little too late.
 

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Dead Century said:
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Dead Century said:
I don't think they would have decided to make XIII-2, and now Lightning Returns if they didn't think there was an audience for it. 2.37M sales, roughly half of the original XIII, which was 4.98M. So niche, in a way. Although XIII was their first Final Fantasy for some of the people I know that are really into this series.
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Final Fantasy is hardly "niche" in any shape or form after selling that many copies, also, I though FFXIII sold 6.5 million. If the sequel sold only 2.5 million, that is a good indicator that not a lot of people liked XIII.
Okay, seriously, where are you getting these sales numbers? All of these sales numbers are wonky and out of whack.

Here is how it went down:

FF13: fastest selling FF game since FF8 and first multi-platfrom game
sold 5.5 million copies in a few months after release
sold 6.2 million copies after one year (sales similar to that of the 6.7 million copies FF10 sold in one year of release)
sold 7 million copies as of now (2013)

FF13-2: Second direct sequel since FF10-2 and the second multi-platinum game
sold 2.4 million copies in the first few months
sold 3.1 million copies after one year (similar to that of the 3.4 million copies FF10-2 sold in one year of release)
sales TBC for now until 3 full years pass to properly see where the sales of FF13-2 will be that of FF13.

Both FF13's and FF13-2's sales are consistent with that of FF10 and FF10-2 sales. If you want undersold FF games, then look at FF12 (5.2 million copies) and FF9 (5.4 million copies).
I think my numbers were dated is all. Where did you get those sales records from? I used vgchartz. Probably not reliable. Here, from wikipedia. "Selling 1.7 million copies in Japan in 2009, Final Fantasy XIII became the fastest-selling title in the history of the series. As of January 2013, the game has shipped 6.6 million copies worldwide."
Well, you forgot to add the Xbox sales to your list. You only looked at PS3 sales
 

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i never played XIII-2 due to the big let down that was the first,
depending on your point of view it's "better", too bad the story is only slightly better because it makes more sense but that's not saying much considering it's a time travel story.
IF YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE, YOU CHANGE THE PAST
No. It made far less sense. It made negative sense. I could feel my braincells dying as the story unraveled. FF XIII's story was merely dumb and uninteresting. XII-2's was outright painful.
 

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Red X said:
Revnak said:
Red X said:
technotica said:
i never played XIII-2 due to the big let down that was the first,
depending on your point of view it's "better", too bad the story is only slightly better because it makes more sense but that's not saying much considering it's a time travel story.
IF YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE, YOU CHANGE THE PAST
No. It made far less sense. It made negative sense. I could feel my braincells dying as the story unraveled. FF XIII's story was merely dumb and uninteresting. XII-2's was outright painful.
At least it didn't seem as pointless as 13, the Fal'cie's methods where stupid and contradictory.
So were Caius and Etros's methods. So we're Hope's. SO IS THE TAGLINE OF THE FUCKING GAME! In fact, XIII-2 is the very definition of pointless, seeing as it makes all the effort expended by the protagonists in both games all for not because Caius is a giant purple douche. That and Etros is an idiot.
P.S. Not mad at you, just ranting for fun. Don't take this personally.
 

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Red X said:
Revnak said:
Red X said:
Revnak said:
Red X said:
technotica said:
i never played XIII-2 due to the big let down that was the first,
depending on your point of view it's "better", too bad the story is only slightly better because it makes more sense but that's not saying much considering it's a time travel story.
IF YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE, YOU CHANGE THE PAST
No. It made far less sense. It made negative sense. I could feel my braincells dying as the story unraveled. FF XIII's story was merely dumb and uninteresting. XII-2's was outright painful.
At least it didn't seem as pointless as 13, the Fal'cie's methods where stupid and contradictory.
So were Caius and Etros's methods. So we're Hope's. SO IS THE TAGLINE OF THE FUCKING GAME! In fact, XIII-2 is the very definition of pointless, seeing as it makes all the effort expended by the protagonists in both games all for not because Caius is a giant purple douche. That and Etros is an idiot.
P.S. Not mad at you, just ranting for fun. Don't take this personally.
Ha! Never do ;)

But anyway as dumb as the tagline is id had potential, (It's not the first time changing the future meant changing the past) It may not have lived up to it but it had something.
As for 13 after the opening cinematic nothing after justifies the plot. Character's had no idea what they were doing what's worse was inconsistent continuity and that's quite a fail for such a linear story.
2 had all the same problems, except they threw time travel into the mix. Besides everybody wanting to save Lightning (much like everyone wanted to save Serah), motivations shift to suit the plot. After all, what's Noah (by which I obviously mean Noel) after? Changing the future? Saving his immortal girlfriend? Fu-, killing his immortal boyfriend (stabbing someone in the heart has a lot of Freudian symbolism)?
 

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Square, I don't care at this point. You've killed 13, just end it and move on. The story is horribly written and pointless, 13-2 proves that. The characters are thoroughly unlikeable and the writing is just bad. Just make the damn HD remake of 7 already.
 

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Square, I don't care at this point. You've killed 13, just end it and move on. The story is horribly written and pointless, 13-2 proves that. The characters are thoroughly unlikeable and the writing is just bad. Just make the damn HD remake of 7 already.
>Horribly written and pointless
Not really. The plot is this:

Long ago, there happened a war between two countries AKA Cocoon and Grand Pulse. Two Grand Pulse girls, Fang and Vanille, were chosen to summon this raging beast called Ragnorok, but they failed to destroy Cocoon. The two were incased in crystal and slept 500 years.

500 years later, a girl named Serah is taken to be "Purged" and her older sister Lightning uses her solider skills to try and save her. She is accompanied by 4 other people at the time: Snow; the delusional hero, Sazh; the down to heart father, Hope; the vengeful child and Vanille; the Grand Pulsian girl (Fang will come along latter on). The 6 wind up getting branded into becoming slaves AKA L'cie by the bad guys AKA Fal'cie. They have to complete a task called a "Focus" so they can become immortal crystals or they will be turned into zombies AKA Ceith.

The Fal'cie want to force heros AKA the "Tools" to summon Ragnorok and kill the power source that holds up the main land (Cocoon). However, the main characters are only shown visions of what to do due to how severe the nature of the Focus. In order to keep the good guys from knowing their plans but still do them blindly, the Fal'cie put the characters in situations that have no form of choice in the matter (Go down this route or die). Also, the Fal'cie can't destroy Cocoon themselves due to their programming forcing them to always take care of Cocoon. All of this is to make sure the supreme god AKA "The Maker" comes back and remakes the world into a perfect place devoid of the "parasite" known as human beings.

Along the way, the characters learn about themselves, about the others in their group and how they must work together to stop the true evil hiding behind the Shadows: The Fal'cie Orphan and Bartandelous.

The characters try to find a way to get rid of their Focus but to no avail cannot. They get to the power source of Cocoon known as Orphan only because Bartandelous has threatened that there were people who would be killed by hidden Grand Pulsian armies if they did not go to Orphan. They fight it in order to stop the Fal'cie from brainwashing the people of Cocoon with their lies. The heroes actually complete their focus on a technicality by having Fang "summon Ragnorok", but the characters kill Orphan themselves. This in turn will make sure that The Maker cannot wake up. In the last minute, Fang and Vanille summon Ragnorok one last time with it's full powers and use it as a catalyst to crystalize themselves and Cocoon all at once before the country falls from the sky.

Lightning and Co. are saved by their crystalization process and in time convert back into humans. With the world saved, everybody is happy and Cocoon is safe from the threat of the Fal'cie and the end of the world.

>The characters are thoroughly unlikeable
Most of them weren't.

Sazh was clearly the best written as being a single father who was has to find a way to believe in himself that he can take charge and do the right things for his son. His conflict with Vanille help greatly thanks to her and Fang being indirectly involved in Dajh's branding into a Cocoon L'cie. He also uses his common sense the most, think things through and has the most dialogue to allow the player to hear the most from him. He's considerate of others, kind and cool.

Lightning Farron tries to be an overprotective mother to Serah but realizes that by doing so she is pushing Serah into Snow's arms for desperate comfort. Teach Hope Estiem how to fend for himself and become more independent. Eventually opening up to the child and treating him like her own son Forgive Snow for what he had done and even support his wishful (though childish) thinking back in the Vestiege and Grand Pulse. learn to become a leader in the group instead of a follower (like explained in that Flashback she had about her conversation with her commanding officer)Learns to work together with other people when Fang tells her to calm down in Palumpolum.

WIth Hope, people call him whiney and cries alot. Well, that's because the situation he is put in has the correct response coming from him. Hope is a 14 year old boy who winds up getting put in something called "The Purge". His mother goes off to fight and gets killed. Hope sees this out of context death and blames a character named Snow Villers for the situation due to him being the one that lost Hope's mom in there. Afterwords, he gets dragged into a situation where he gets branded by an evil god which makes him and 5 other characters, including Snow Villers, "enemies" to their homeland. Not only that, his only way of survival is following a female solider named Lightning and learn how to fight (and even possibly kill) soldiers who attack them in order to survive. His character is more of a "Gaanta Deadman Wonderland" kind of character.

Fang of course is a character who is way overprotective over Vanille and more so to the extreme than Lightning. She also has sort of a prejudice hate over all of Cocoon given her history of being raised to think they are the enemy. Her lack of memories do help establish a form of character development towards Cid and the Brigade. Fang even gives Lightning the answer that Serah can awaken sooner or later. However, she become more useful down on Grand Pulse where she basically becomes the tour guide and is revealed to be the person who became Ragnorok 500 years ago.

The only bad characters were Snow and Vanille. Snow has repetitive dialogue, very little expansion on his character other than HERO and his relationship with Serah is weak and under developed. Vanille doesn't have anything to do with the story for the longest time and tends to just aimlessly do nothing until she becomes a part of the sub plot about Dajh's branding. Plus her voice actor has trouble keeping one accent and tends to go between Australian--British-American.
 

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You're right, they're not ALL unlikeable but the game story is pointless since in XIII-2's TRUE ending(which you have to PAY for
everything gets destroyed anyway and everyone except Lightning dies, oh and she's made a Goddamn l'Cie AGAIN!

That's really what ticks me off with this. How can they make a sequel after that? Lightning Returns to what? That's all I have to say on the subject. Also, judging from your username, you're a fairly big fan of the game series.
 

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@KingdomFantasyXIII

You're right, they're not ALL unlikeable but the game story is pointless since in XIII-2's TRUE ending(which you have to PAY for
everything gets destroyed anyway and everyone except Lightning dies, oh and she's made a Goddamn l'Cie AGAIN!

That's really what ticks me off with this. How can they make a sequel after that? Lightning Returns to what? That's all I have to say on the subject. Also, judging from your username, you're a fairly big fan of the game series.
I never consider anything outside the original numbered title to be canon. To me, they are so different (X-2, XIII-2, Lightning Returns, Dirge of Cerberus, Revenant Wings etc) that they might as well be Elseworld tales like what the DC universe does when they want to try something new and don't want to mess wit the main time frame of story.
 

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KingdomFantasyXIII said:
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@KingdomFantasyXIII

You're right, they're not ALL unlikeable but the game story is pointless since in XIII-2's TRUE ending(which you have to PAY for
everything gets destroyed anyway and everyone except Lightning dies, oh and she's made a Goddamn l'Cie AGAIN!

That's really what ticks me off with this. How can they make a sequel after that? Lightning Returns to what? That's all I have to say on the subject. Also, judging from your username, you're a fairly big fan of the game series.
I never consider anything outside the original numbered title to be canon. To me, they are so different (X-2, XIII-2, Lightning Returns, Dirge of Cerberus, Revenant Wings etc) that they might as well be Elseworld tales like what the DC universe does when they want to try something new and don't want to mess wit the main time frame of story.
... You do realize that XIII-2 is the CANON story that Square Enix wants to tell right? That's where they're taking the story, the same with XIII-3. Whatever you think, XIII-2's ending is canon, and X-2 is canon to X's storyline as well.
That's all I'm saying.
 

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otakon17 said:
KingdomFantasyXIII said:
otakon17 said:
@KingdomFantasyXIII

You're right, they're not ALL unlikeable but the game story is pointless since in XIII-2's TRUE ending(which you have to PAY for
everything gets destroyed anyway and everyone except Lightning dies, oh and she's made a Goddamn l'Cie AGAIN!

That's really what ticks me off with this. How can they make a sequel after that? Lightning Returns to what? That's all I have to say on the subject. Also, judging from your username, you're a fairly big fan of the game series.
I never consider anything outside the original numbered title to be canon. To me, they are so different (X-2, XIII-2, Lightning Returns, Dirge of Cerberus, Revenant Wings etc) that they might as well be Elseworld tales like what the DC universe does when they want to try something new and don't want to mess wit the main time frame of story.
... You do realize that XIII-2 is the CANON story that Square Enix wants to tell right? That's where they're taking the story, the same with XIII-3. Whatever you think, XIII-2's ending is canon, and X-2 is canon to X's storyline as well.
That's all I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that I choose to believe the games outside of the original numbered titled FF games are non canon due to the extreme difference between the original game and their expanded universe.