Final Iron Man 3 Trailer Features Tony Stark's Latest Toys
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I'm assuming he trained people to use them seeing as there is a clip of what appears to be Tony walking in on a small group of people being tended to by scientist looking types, quite possibly getting suited up.MrGalactus said:
Also looking forward to MovieBob sinking his teeth into this one. A lot of great clips in it.
I don't know, but the face of that armor made me think of the terminator suits the Space Marines use in warhammer 40k.DVS BSTrD said:
Guess that one is a Salamander. (can't explain why he is blue in that case though... Who cares, its a crappy 40k joke. We can deal with it)
...that was beautiful.
Part of me was hoping they would've only shown the shot of the Iron men flying towards the scene though. Would've made the final line up more awesome when we saw it in theaters.
Also, Extremis. Definitely Extremis.
Part of me was hoping they would've only shown the shot of the Iron men flying towards the scene though. Would've made the final line up more awesome when we saw it in theaters.
Also, Extremis. Definitely Extremis.
Well, to be honest I always had a sort of problem with Ellis' "Extremis" storyline in that while it was a good story in of itself, it should have remained pure elseworlds fodder because I never really bought that Iron Man would have done what he did. Tony as a character was always about human purity to a large extent, whether that's a failing or not is debatable, but it lead to him helping to develop things like The Sentinels. It's such a key personality trait that during the whole alternate universe "Earth X" storyline, Iron Man pretty much segregates himself in his enviromentally sealed building specifically so he wouldn't become a mutant, and works for a cure to the Teragin mists. Eventually he sacrifices himself heroically in a last ditch effort to stop the Celestrials (revealing the entire Stark Industries building to be a giant suit of Iron Man armor at this point), and dies the last human.
To me, "The Extremis" transformation, even if done with nanites/cybertech smacks heavily of human augementation, just done differantly than with chemicals or radiation, something that Tony would by definition rather die than do. I suppose it's something fans liked, but to me it never felt quite right.
It's sort of like how Batman is arguably the same kind of douchebag, he's a good guy, but he spends a lot of time thinking dark thoughts about metahumans, and how "humans were never meant to bow to a Kryptonian" in referance to Superman despite Supes never having given him reason to think that way, and oftentimes in response to Supes being a fairly nice guy.
It represents a sort of balanced counterpoint, being anti-super to an extent, without falling into the same extremes of say Cameron Hodge's crowd in Marvel. It also representing a sort of valid point of view from the perspective of "mere mortals" in dealing with what amount to posthuman gods. Someone like Tony or in DC Bruce, is in part defined by standing toe to toe with them without any kind of serious augementation. I mean either could have gone heavy cyber long before someone like Ellis' wrote Extremis, the fact that they didn't was kind of the point.
Warren Ellis is one of my favorite writers despite not agreeing with him about a lot of things, his run on "The Authority" and before it "Stormwatch" made quite an impression on me. I've even read his fiction like "Crooked Little Vein"... however I'll be honest in saying that departing from this one Iron Man stroy wouldn't be a bad thing, and to be honest I'm a little disappointed to see them using it, in any context, in the movies... to me it always kind of made Iron Man seem less like Iron Man, and his weakness of intolerance (to an extent) which lead to some very human mistakes like helping Project Wideawake helped make him a three dimensional character.
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As far as Iron Man having tons of suits of armor, that's kind of always been the point. Him controlling a bunch of them at once isn't something that has come up much, but arguably the quintessential Iron Man story has him getting his butt royally kicked, having to retreat to his lab, and then come back for a rematch with modifications or a new suit of armor intended to take down whatever he's up against. There have been plenty of images of Iron Man standing around with hundreds of differant suits in storage "just in case".
It's also noteworthy that Iron Man has also spent a lot of time developing armor for other characters, one example from back in the day was the "Guardsman" armor, with the guy using it acting as the warden of the original "Vault" which was Marvel's superhuman prison. The odd thing was that when Iron Man made armor like that he included an off switch, and it struck me as odd that when they did that whole Sentinels thing Iron Man apparently forgot to install one (if they ever came up with a reason why he couldn't turn them off other than not thinking of it, I don't remember it), something I felt was pretty hokey, though I suppose it wouldn't have been responsible for much X-men Drama if instead of a dark future the whole "Beserk Sentinel War" simply had Iron Man pulling the plug when things started to get stupid.
To me, "The Extremis" transformation, even if done with nanites/cybertech smacks heavily of human augementation, just done differantly than with chemicals or radiation, something that Tony would by definition rather die than do. I suppose it's something fans liked, but to me it never felt quite right.
It's sort of like how Batman is arguably the same kind of douchebag, he's a good guy, but he spends a lot of time thinking dark thoughts about metahumans, and how "humans were never meant to bow to a Kryptonian" in referance to Superman despite Supes never having given him reason to think that way, and oftentimes in response to Supes being a fairly nice guy.
It represents a sort of balanced counterpoint, being anti-super to an extent, without falling into the same extremes of say Cameron Hodge's crowd in Marvel. It also representing a sort of valid point of view from the perspective of "mere mortals" in dealing with what amount to posthuman gods. Someone like Tony or in DC Bruce, is in part defined by standing toe to toe with them without any kind of serious augementation. I mean either could have gone heavy cyber long before someone like Ellis' wrote Extremis, the fact that they didn't was kind of the point.
Warren Ellis is one of my favorite writers despite not agreeing with him about a lot of things, his run on "The Authority" and before it "Stormwatch" made quite an impression on me. I've even read his fiction like "Crooked Little Vein"... however I'll be honest in saying that departing from this one Iron Man stroy wouldn't be a bad thing, and to be honest I'm a little disappointed to see them using it, in any context, in the movies... to me it always kind of made Iron Man seem less like Iron Man, and his weakness of intolerance (to an extent) which lead to some very human mistakes like helping Project Wideawake helped make him a three dimensional character.
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As far as Iron Man having tons of suits of armor, that's kind of always been the point. Him controlling a bunch of them at once isn't something that has come up much, but arguably the quintessential Iron Man story has him getting his butt royally kicked, having to retreat to his lab, and then come back for a rematch with modifications or a new suit of armor intended to take down whatever he's up against. There have been plenty of images of Iron Man standing around with hundreds of differant suits in storage "just in case".
It's also noteworthy that Iron Man has also spent a lot of time developing armor for other characters, one example from back in the day was the "Guardsman" armor, with the guy using it acting as the warden of the original "Vault" which was Marvel's superhuman prison. The odd thing was that when Iron Man made armor like that he included an off switch, and it struck me as odd that when they did that whole Sentinels thing Iron Man apparently forgot to install one (if they ever came up with a reason why he couldn't turn them off other than not thinking of it, I don't remember it), something I felt was pretty hokey, though I suppose it wouldn't have been responsible for much X-men Drama if instead of a dark future the whole "Beserk Sentinel War" simply had Iron Man pulling the plug when things started to get stupid.
No, in the comics he's had differant armor, he can only build so much stuff into each paticular suit, and has done numerous upgrades and had differant looks to his default suits, with oddly enough some fairly differant powers. He also has a tendency to get his butt kicked a lot and have to come adapt to his opponents. Iron Man has been on the receiving end of some amazing smack downs over the years.Azurian said:
Interestingly, the thing that keeps coming to mind in light of Iron Man 2 and what we've seen of 3 is an old "What If" comic where Iron Man mass produced his armor for the goverment. This lead to "The Iron Guard" which rendered super heroes more or less obselete and lead to world peace.... until Magneto shows up with his whole "Mutants deserve to rule" garbage and well IRON guard, Magneto (when he's unknown), pretty obvious how that goes. The trick to the comic was how a bunch of super heroes, who never had to become super heroes, to come out and try and stop him. You had like Wolverine as a drunken wreck as I remember, Spider-Man was like stupidly obese (but had his spider powers), and they tried to stop Magneto and it ended sadly... before Tony who was now a paranoid recluse turned Stark Enterprises into a giant suit of armor (much like Earth X) and attacked Magneto. The last scene of him attacking Magneto kind of stuck in my mind.
At any rate, one thing I wondered with the movie continuity so far is that with so few superbeings overall, I can't see why anyone would even need super heroes at this point. I'd think as of the end of Iron Man 2 at least Tony would have pretty much rendered the idea obselete like in that comic because it seems increasingly strained for him not to have done it, his "new leaf" moving away from weapons manufacturing aside.
Also; who else thought that final suit looked like Terminator armour from 40K?
Over the years(RL) his method of using his Armor(s) has varied a lot. At first it was a different job? A different suit with several repeating features when possible flight/Unibeam/Replusars/Etc. Later on they thought up "instant transmission"(not sure of official name in Universe) where he puts on 1 suit and can request other suits mid mission or just in the field to switch out with remotely. Then later on they came up with Extremis as a kind of Computer/Tech Mind Link/Control to anything using Technology so now he can better manipulate his Armor(s) Though I haven't personally seen him directly use it to summon/control multiple suits before though I don't know that he can't either.Azurian said:
Side note: If anyone wants to explain how Stark can have all of his armors show up like that. Please don't tell me. I'd like it to be a surprise.
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By its mere inclusion, this is already the greatest film ever made in ever, ever. Suck it, Citizen Kane.
By its mere inclusion, this is already the greatest film ever made in ever, ever. Suck it, Citizen Kane.
Never read any of the comics so know next to nothing about this universe.
But this. This i like.
But this. This i like.
Dear lord save me from die-hard fans in any medium. They won't be able to do better? Sorry, Warren Ellis is not god, and the Extremis story, while good, was not flawless.
Comics. Are not. Movies. What works for one may not work for others. I'll take a well-written "inspired by" movie over a slavishly-followed adaptation any day. Tom Bombadil did not belong in LOTR, and Watchmen's new ending made more sense. Direct adaptation gives us half an hour of dwarves eating and non-sequitur rock giants.
If they can follow it closely and still make a good movie? Great, good for them. If not? I'd rather they compromise the source rather than the end product. We've already *repeatedly* established the marvel movie-verse as a completely different continuity from the comics.
Tony Stark han an army of Iron Man suits as well as TERMINATOR ARMOR...
...GUNDAM IT, he just out-cooled Batman.
...GUNDAM IT, he just out-cooled Batman.