First Habitable Planet Confirmed by French Scientists

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kingmob

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samsonguy920 said:
These french scientists seem to be missing an important detail. Gliese 581 is a red dwarf. Astronomy has taught us that red dwarves are what the Sun is to become after it depletes enough of its hydrogen fuel and expands into a giant star. During this stage goldilocks planets get swallowed up by said star or super-cooked ala Mercury. Then the giant star sheds its outer layers, shrinking down to a red dwarf.
If Gliese 581 is a typical red dwarf that went through all this rigamarole, then 581d is hardly habitable. Considering what it had gone through plus the carbon dioxide content, I think it is about as fit to live on as Venus. Only with the need to be able to lift twice your weight to get around.
But who cares about what we have figured out before, Gliese 581d is a goldilocks planet. Let's get excited for a world we won't be visiting for several generations yet!

If at all.
Just google it next time before you start theorizing that someone who studied for it is wrong ;)
A red dwarf is the coolest type of main sequence star. That means it is a stable star with hydrogen fusion, that is on the smaller and cooler side of the scale (hence it is the color red and a 'dwarf').
What you are looking for is a red giant and/or a white dwarf. The red giant is the final stage of several type of main sequence stars, a white dwarf is the stage after, where there is no longer fusion, but the star still radiates thermally, eventually dimming to nothingness.
 

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Angelblaze said:
VGC USpartan VS said:
I wonder if tall, blue people live there.
yup.
And they hate marines.
Or they all hate spartans, whichever underhanded and slightly obvious joke you perfer.
Now I have a mental image of a 300/Avatar crossover and all I can say is that I really want to see that movie.
 

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StreetPizza said:
Those are white dwarfs (yes, dwarfs instead of dwarves. Haven't these astronomers ever read Tolkien?!) that are the remnants of low-mass stars. Red dwarf stars are perfectly fine, assuming something like tidal locking doesn't screw our future home over.
kingmob said:
Just google it next time before you start theorizing that someone who studied for it is wrong ;)
A red dwarf is the coolest type of main sequence star. That means it is a stable star with hydrogen fusion, that is on the smaller and cooler side of the scale (hence it is the color red and a 'dwarf').
What you are looking for is a red giant and/or a white dwarf. The red giant is the final stage of several type of main sequence stars, a white dwarf is the stage after, where there is no longer fusion, but the star still radiates thermally, eventually dimming to nothingness.
My bad. Of course I knew that, teaches me to jump on the bandwagon late at night. And it would need a high bit of CO2 to be warm enough even in the goldilocks zone.
Not sure I would want to live there for that kind of air content, though. The gravity I could handle. I'm built for that.
 

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kingmob said:
I'm not sure where people are getting their info from, but we have the technology right now to go there in about 200 years (give or take a hundred, i did not calculate it exactly :p. I remember the calculation for proxima centaury though; ~50 years). The statement in the article is simply false. Using for instance fission bombs (or in the future maybe even fusion) we are able to accelerate a starship to great speeds. We are already harnessing enormous explosive power, which is all there is to rockets in the end. The problem of course is that making fast spacecraft is not economcally viable, since the fuel is so massive and more than a little dangerous. But it is far from impossible, we would be able to get there in only several generations if we really wanted to.
Well, that's great and all, but I would think that strapping bombs to the back of a spacecraft would propel it forward so suddenly, anyone inside would probably be crushed to death by their own organs and the sudden surge of momentum. So yeah, just traveling fast isn't really enough unfortunately. Not that it would matter if future US presidents don't actually start giving a d*mn about the space program again though...
 

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Reishadowen said:
Well, that's great and all, but I would think that strapping bombs to the back of a spacecraft would propel it forward so suddenly, anyone inside would probably be crushed to death by their own organs and the sudden surge of momentum. So yeah, just traveling fast isn't really enough unfortunately. Not that it would matter if future US presidents don't actually start giving a d*mn about the space program again though...
We are already strapping bombs to the back of spacecraft, we call them rockets. You don't have to go from 0 to 0.95c in a second you know (although it would be cool), you can take a few years to accelerate and decelerate.
 

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punipunipyo said:
And here we are, cutting our budget wards tech-advancements... we aren't even close to speed of light!? from what I remembered, in space... there is no resistance, we can just booster our way to accelerate, till we reach max human tolerate speed...
Wrong on two counts.
Cutting our budget I imagine refers to the US budget. And the US has made huge cuts to the space program. We're scrapping our shuttles and relying on the Russians to transport our people to the orbiting stations. There has been no research into moving at lightspeed, as it looks pretty much impossible. Here is why:
nasa.gov [http://heasarc.nasa.gov/docs/cosmic/nearest_star_info.html]
According to Special Relativity the mass of an object increases as its speed increases, and approaches infinity as the object's speed approaches the speed of light. This means that it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate an object to the speed of light.

There's no fundamental reason why we can't get as close to the speed of light as we like, provided we have enough energy. But this is probably far in the future.
There is resistance in space. Both from particulates and from gravitational influence. Not to mention that all matter has inertia. That being resistance to movement as a result of it's mass.

At the same time, dust from planetary formations, solar particles, asteroids, meteorites etc. Those are all over the place. And it would be impossible for all of them to be accounted for.

Space Shuttle speed: 672 km/s = 672000 m/s
Speed of Light: 299,792,458 metres per second
Count from 672000 to 299 million.
Speed of a Bullet: 1200?1500 m/s

Say we achieve lightspeed and run into a piece of dust. At 200,000 times the speed of a bullet. It would explode. Probably tear a hole in the hull until we find a way to make Adamantium [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantium].
Also, there are going to be stresses influencing your ship from the ship itself (the windows pressing against the walls, the panels and tiles rubbing together). The forces exerted would create friction or pressure on the parts of the ship. Which could make the ship explode.

Not to mention the issues involved with creating enough thrust to move anything at that speed in the first place. The heat from a shuttle launch is approximately 4500 degrees Fahrenheit, surface of the sun being 10000°F. That's what it takes to just get into orbit.
"Leaving the Earth's Gravity" is a misnomer. We've never done that (with humans on board anyway). People in orbit aren't in null gravity, they're just in orbit, they wouldn't be orbiting the Earth if they were outside the Earth's gravity now would they? Even on the Moon you're still on the outer edges of the Earth's major influence.
If it takes that much heat and energy to get basically a cosmic hair away from the Earth, imagine what it would take to get to lightspeed? That's like 500x the force? Do you know of anything that can put out more heat and energy that rocket fuel?
I'm probably taking a condescending tone. But lightspeed travel is definitely not something we'll achieve in the next hundred years.

TLDR:
Fuck no we haven't gone lightspeed.

PS: If we do go lightspeed it still takes five years to get to the nearest star. There are no planets around it either (to my knowledge).
 
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Wouldn't traveling close to the speed of light pretty much liquify a human body?

I wonder how NASA are going with that "sending 70 nobodies on a one way trip to Mars" thing. Maybe they'll discover clues to the Charon Mass Relay.
 

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Kurokami said:
Jack Macaque said:
Sick let`s send that monkey again and see how he does.
We eventually send humans after him and we find that he's completely populated the planet with intelligent apes!

Oh, and they built a giant statue of liberty JUST to destroy it again. Those damn dirty monkeys.
Kurokami said:
Jack Macaque said:
Sick let`s send that monkey again and see how he does.
We eventually send humans after him and we find that he's completely populated the planet with intelligent apes!

Oh, and they built a giant statue of liberty JUST to destroy it again. Those damn dirty monkeys.
Bastards...we should send someone back in time to this planet of apes and try to fix our greatest mistake!