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Raggedstar

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So I got the PC I'm currently on in 2008. It wasn't that great then and it sure as hell isn't great now. Let's just say my thought process was "Ok, I have a university essay I need to quickly redo a huge chunk of because the motherboard of my 10 year old computer died a day before due date" (RIP you magnificent 98-running bastard). I have a (shitty but still paying) job now and a greater interest in PC gaming, so I'm interested in upgrading and giving the PC to my aunt and uncle for their new house. It's stable for doing regular tasks, but ask it to run something that has demands greater than Portal and it blows a gasket. Capturing/editing/rendering video (which I do as a hobby) also causes it to heave even with simpler videos using software that is several years old. Most of this PC's parts are ok for minimum requirements, but it's the graphics card (which I'm quite sure is integrated) that's holding me back. Even if it wasn't, it might be easier/cheaper to get a new one due to compatibility issues. Also it gives me an excuse to ditch Windows Vista.

So down to business. I've never built a PC before. I added an extra 2 GB of RAM to this machine but that was it. I've been reading several posts on The Escapist regarding PC builds and peeked on several sites linked, but it might be better to get something more personal since it is a bit overwhelming as my first time. Here's some info.

-My initial limit is $800 (not including tax. I can take that hit). I don't need Crysis 3 (or equal) to run at super-ultra-awesometacular, but something modest I can rely on for the next few years.

-My monitor, mouse, and speakers are fine and I doubt will have any issues in the near future. I have a spare keyboard too if this 15 year old one dies on me.

-The house uses wireless internet.

-I live just outside of Toronto, Ontario.

-I'm not at "granny" levels of computer illiteracy, but I'm not that confident either. I know the brands, acronyms, major part names, etc, but I'm not current on the specific models, quality, or compatibility.

-I don't have any experience in building a computer outside of minor upgrades years back. My uncle has a bit, but he's busy. I'm willing to learn and I most likely have at least most of the tools, but not confident on a tactile basis.

-Windows 7 is ideal unless someone can give me a reason otherwise.

-The stores nearest to me are Tiger Direct, Canada Computers, and Futureshop/Best Buy (hell, they're the same thing). Just throwing that out there for those that are near the Toronto area and can either say they have positive or negative experience with their store pre-builds (since the general Escapist attitude towards pre-builds seem to be negative on the basis of performance and cost) or guide me to a better place. No one needs to stalk the shops for me. Names of items will at least give me enough direction to compare with store stock.

-On a further note, I would prefer to pick from items in a store. Being my first time, I want to talk to people in person and have someone to go back to if something happens. I know I'll miss on some deals, but maybe next time. You can use online prices for the sake of this thread though.

To add on, here are some questions.

1. Is $800 too little to ask for a gaming PC with what I'm asking for?

2. I'm guessing I'll need some sort of add-on to allow the PC to connect to the internet? Most likely yes but best be sure for the sake of adding on to the cost since it's impossible for me to directly connect it directly.

3. How hard is for a newbie to put together a PC? I hear people say "it's just plugging in wires and screwing in screws" but it sounds more complicated than that. For sure I'll look up a guide, but there's a difference between reading something and doing it.

4. Any special environment required for assembly? I ask mostly because my 2nd floor bedroom has a carpet and I also have a cat. I already intend to vacuum, take off my socks, and close the door to keep the cat out, but is there anything else? Want to keep everything safe and I know static is a concern when handling electronic equipment. Only places in the house without carpet is the living room, kitchen, and bathroom (all are areas with traffic).

5. To keep the option open, what are the typical or honest fees for having someone in-store assemble a PC once you pick out the parts? Tiger Direct (at least according to this flyer) has $99 for assembly and setting up the OS (the latter I know I can do myself). That sounds a bit much.

6. Any other tips a newbie might not know?

Thank you for your help and patience. I understand how neurotic I might sound and I apologize. At the very least I can be pointed in the right direction and I'll be happy. I'll update this post once I've searched closer at store stock and/or need further guidance. No rush.
 

ShinyCharizard

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I can't be bothered to work out pricing but I'll list some good basic specs to go with.

CPU: an Intel i5 3570k

Motherboard: Any Z77 board will do. ASRock make good value motherboards.

GPU: Either a GTX 660 ti or GTX 760 (Brand doesn't really matter they are all basically the same)

RAM: 8GB dual channel DDR3

PSU: 600W (Corsair, Antec, Seasonic and Coolermaster are all good brands)

Hard Drive: go with at least a 1TB drive

OS: Windows 7 is a good choice

Case: Really just personal preference here. (I quite like NZXT cases)

As for your questions

1. 800 dollars is enough to build a fairly good gaming PC

2. Yes you will need to buy either an internal or external wireless adaptor. They are quite cheap.

3. It's quite easy. The most difficult part is wiring everything properly to the motherboard. Just follow the manual and you will be fine.

4. Build it on a wood table.

5. Not too sure. I wouldn't want to spend more than $50 on assembly though

6. Nothing in particular comes to mind.
 

AWAR

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Raggedstar said:
Charizard's selection is good enough, I just feel like adding my own piece.

CPU: the 3570k is a good choice, however you will not be able to afford a 660ti with that budget. So I suggest an AMD alternative, the FX-8320.
Mobo: I have had bad experiences with Asrock boards. In my opinion it's better to pay some extra cash for Asus or MSI. You don't need high end ones if you are not overclocking though.
GPU: The 660ti is better value
RAM: 8 gigs are enough for gaming. You will need more for serious video editing, so it's a good idea to get a single 8gig dimm for now and grab another one when you need it/have some spare money.
Hard Drive: Depends on your storage needs.
Case: Don't waste too much money on them. My suggestions are NZXT source or Zalman Z5 plus or some sub 50 dollar Coolermaster.
PSU: Any 600 watt 80 plus certified will do. Preferred brands are Corsair, OCZ, XFX, Seasonic Silverstone
As far as assembly goes, you should always read the manual and watch a couple of PC building videos. Having a techie friend to help you is also a plus.
Here's my selection at 822 dolars. Pricing and availability may differ, but the basic things (CPU, Motherboard, Graphics card) should be the same.
I really recommend reading this first.
Finally if you want to save some money you should scavenge your old PC for the Optical drive and/or hard drive as well as the WiFi card.
 

Comocat

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You've gotten good advice above, I would suggest though that going to the store and buying items is not the best approach. Often times floor people are salespeople first and specialists second. I went to a store naive about RAM once and ended up buying 8 gigs of RAM for a 32 bit windows operating system, for example. My point is your probably arent going to get amazing advice from some guy on the floor at BestBuy. You might, however, find your local computer supplier and see if they have DIY clinics. The Microcenter in my town has build your own PC clinics maybe once a month (with an actual tech).

Also something to consider is usually something goes wrong, especially if you are a novice. A professional can probably build a system with little trouble, but you are probably going to put the jumpers on the wrong pin or something equally small. Do you like troubleshooting installing an OS or tweaking BIOS to make sure your computer knows it has a harddrive? If not, it might be worth buying a barebones system and upgrading parts in piecemeal rather trying to do everything at once. It's unlikely you will actually break anything (be careful with the pins on the cpu!) but you will certainly need to troubleshoot, and IMO that is what makes building your own PC fun as a learning experience.
 

Griffolion

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Raggedstar said:
1. Is $800 too little to ask for a gaming PC with what I'm asking for?
No, it's entry level to mid. You'll be fine. Be sure to gear your chosen parts to upgradeability, so you can add to it. Out of interest, what's your monitor resolution?

Raggedstar said:
2. I'm guessing I'll need some sort of add-on to allow the PC to connect to the internet? Most likely yes but best be sure for the sake of adding on to the cost since it's impossible for me to directly connect it directly.
Higher end motherboards have wifi built in, otherwise you'll be looking at a $20 - $30 add in card giving you wireless capability. Some are PCI, others are PCI-E. You'll need to look at your motherboard of choice and see what it can accommodate and if it will conflict with the placement of the graphics card. It shouldn't do, but prior planning is key.

Raggedstar said:
3. How hard is for a newbie to put together a PC? I hear people say "it's just plugging in wires and screwing in screws" but it sounds more complicated than that. For sure I'll look up a guide, but there's a difference between reading something and doing it.
For the sake of this post, I've prematurely published my revised builders guide. [a href="http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Andy+Hall/pc-building-the-beginners-guide-209622.phtml"]It can be found here.[/a]

It isn't done yet. If you have any questions, PM me.

Short answer: Easy to a degree. Everything has standardised connectors that, for the most part, you can't miss. You'll be fine by-en-large.

Raggedstar said:
4. Any special environment required for assembly? I ask mostly because my 2nd floor bedroom has a carpet and I also have a cat. I already intend to vacuum, take off my socks, and close the door to keep the cat out, but is there anything else? Want to keep everything safe and I know static is a concern when handling electronic equipment. Only places in the house without carpet is the living room, kitchen, and bathroom (all are areas with traffic).
No carpets, they are a static nightmare. Wooden / plastic surface is basically a must. Try and strike a deal with other members of your house to use a table or something at a quiet part of the day.

Raggedstar said:
5. To keep the option open, what are the typical or honest fees for having someone in-store assemble a PC once you pick out the parts? Tiger Direct (at least according to this flyer) has $99 for assembly and setting up the OS (the latter I know I can do myself). That sounds a bit much.
Unless you have a friend that can do it for cheaper / free, expect in that ball park. That's actually a decent price.

Raggedstar said:
6. Any other tips a newbie might not know?
Patience. Patience. Patience.

PC building and maintaining can be difficult, but is always rewarding. Especially when you get going on games.

There are guides for most issues on the internet, software and otherwise. Google is your friend.

I visit the Escapist almost daily. Consider me a port of call if you need help.
 

Raggedstar

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Griffolion said:
Out of interest, what's your monitor resolution?
It's a 22 inch LG monitor. The resolution I currently have it on is 1280 x 960 (goes up to 1680 x 1050). Not sure if that's the info you were looking for.

AWAR said:
Comocat said:
ShinyCharizard said:
Thanks guys. It really helps ^^.

1 TB is fine, and if by some twist of fate I need more, I have some external hard drives. The hard drive I currently have is about 250 GB, but about half the space is taken up by the OS alone. Not a whole lot to salvage there.

My video editing is strictly a hobby, so nothing that intensive. I've been surviving on 4 GB of RAM and nothing exploded in nearly 5 years.

I have a wooden desk in my room, but I guess I can try to find time in the dining room where there aren't children scuffling around.

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Anyways, I looked through store prices in Tiger Direct (greater focus on PC assembly, better variety and prices of equipment compared to larger stores. I was able to find nearly everything or what seems to be equal, though the Asus motherboards all seem to have integrated graphics) and for an example looked through AWAR's PC picker build just to see what I would be looking at. Woah, I didn't think the price difference would be THAT big 0-0. About $1000 plus an extra 100 or so for tax (as opposed to $837 online before shipping). And that includes rebates. Meep! I may need to reconsider my plan regarding non-online shops. Only thing that was cheaper was the case.

For curiosity I was poking around the gaming PC section of that store. After glancing I found a decent machine I could possibly use as a fall-back plan (as it seems to be a step backwards for $900 and I don't think it can connect through Wi-Fi as is). Here are the specs at a glance: [http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5653741&Sku=I455-G4000]

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P, 3.1GHz
RAM: 8 GB (2 x 4 GB)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 (dedicated)
PSU: 500 W
OS: Windows 8 (damn it!)
Hard Drive: 1 TB
 

Griffolion

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Raggedstar said:
I just wanted to see how many pixels your GPU will need to deal with. 1050 isn't bad, a mid range GPU will deal with it fine.

Stick to online shops, they are going to be best for you. Self-building is going to be your best bet, honestly, if you're wanting to stick to budget. Have you tried Newegg.ca?

That PC listed there is alright spec-wise, the case is pretty horrible. The PSU listed doesn't give a brand, meaning it's likely cheap (read: likely to blow the system up). Windows 8 isn't as bad as the giant blob of group-think that is the internet likes to say it is. It's actually got more robust driver support for many basic hardware features that Windows 7 needs third party drivers for.

If you want any help putting together a build, let me know.
 

AWAR

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I would recommend staying away from pre builts. They are more expensive than a custom built equivalent and they are going to cost more money in the long run due to the generally shitty PSU that's going to fail eventually.
The system in question has an entry level i5 and a 660 which is good enough for gaming but surely not something I would pay 900$ for.
If you are going to build one yourself this is one of the best and complete guides I've come across.
[small] Also what was that about integrated graphics in Asus boards?[/small]