Fishing with cats and kittens :/

[DannyBoy451]

Meh, it's an animal.

I admit it may look quite "barbaric" to some, but fishing isn't exactly a painless thing, even when the things you're killing don't go *mew*.

If you don't like it then don't go fishing and don't eat fish, simple.

Also: LOL at animal rights ranters on the internets.

So, what if we start using babies as live fishing bait too? Is it ok? Since humans are animals, then by your logic it's perfectly alright to use babies as bait.

You know fully well that I'm making the distinction between sapient life and non-sapient life.

So no, that is NOT an extension of my logic, and I resent you for suggesting that it is.

Dogs, cats and other animals aren't sapient beings?

sen·tient (snshnt, -sh-nt)
adj.
1. Having sense perception; conscious: "The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage" T.E. Lawrence.
2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.

The English dictionary respectfully spits his tea while disagreeing with you.
So no. I don't know what distinction you're making.

Also, "resent" all you want, people will disagree with you on a matter of subjects, if you get offended at someone for having a different opinion, then I'd advice you to have that checked out by an expert on the human psyche.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapience
The difference between humans and other animals: self-awareness and reasoning, as opposed to acting on instinct without higher judgement. This is why we are eligible to have rights, and they are not.

And if you honestly feel that a dog has the same standing and worth in life as a human, then I suggest *you* should be the one seeking psychological help.

Ah, but I did say babies, not full fledged grown humans. Taking a look at that particular wikipedia article.

Sapience is often defined as wisdom, or the ability of an organism or entity to act with appropriate judgment

Do babies really act upon judgements?
Do their underdeveloped brains can even comprehend what a judgement is?

And I do believe that to some extents dogs, or any other animals have the same worth has humans. Animals do not act within reason, they act upon instinct. What this means is that they don't perceive what's right from what is wrong, they don't know what is good and what's evil. Humans do. And still some humans decide to follow what is considered as "evil". I consider the life of animals over the life of those particular humans.

Now, if you'd made me choose between the life of a dog that I've known for years and the life of some hobo of the street that I never met for more then a minute, then I'd most likely choose the life of my dog. The one who spent numerous days keeping me company. The one who spent more then 10 hours laid down by the door waiting for me to get home from work.
The one that rejoices and feels happy just by the simple fact that I've arrived home.

Sorry, but it's what it is.
Go ahead and call me crazy for having a different opinion from yours.

Let me ask you something though.
Do you believe in a soul? Are you Christian or religious by any chance?

An infant is still human, regardless of its currently underdeveloped ability to reason it will still develop the ability to reason. The same is not true of animals, they are born without self-awareness, and they die without self-awareness. They are completely separate from humans.

You strike me as having a very low opinion of humans you deem to not be worthy, valuing animal life over those who transgress against your subjective view of morality.

As for hypothetically choosing the life of your pet over that of a living, thinking human being, well, I just find that inhuman.

And what if I did believe in an immortal soul? And God?
How does that influence this for you exactly?

It influences this because most Christians and religious people share the same idea you're defending here. That humans somehow are higher beings then other animals, because we have a soul, or because God made us from his image.

I do not believe this. I do not believe that humans are that higher beings than animals, I believe that we evolved, or transformed if you will, in a different way, we gained rational thought and now we can ponder our judgements and follow whatever alinements or moral codes we feel necessary. Animals don't need to preoccupy themselves with this. They act based on instinct, they don't follow codes or think about ethics.

You can call it being simple, and you might have to some reason about that. But if we are indeed higher beings than animals, then we should threat them as our kindlings, in opposition to acting all high and mighty and deem them as lesser beings.

Now, prepare for something outrageous. I also believe that babies are more animals then human beings. I'm talking about kids 0-1 age here. They don't share rational thought nor self-awareness. And that is exactly what distinguishes us from animal.

Well I am not religious in any way, I do not believe in a soul, creator gods, or any similar things, and I think it's sad that you associate caring about human life with supernatural beliefs.

I believe that because of our self-awareness and ability for abstract thought we must be judged by our own standards, and other animals by separate ones. And likewise our lives have different worth. As far as I'm concerned even the lowest junkie's life is more precious than any animal's.

You seem to believe we have a duty of care towards animals, I would tend to agree, It is wrong to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering on an animal for no good reason. Setting fire to a cat for kicks and gratification is wrong, animal testing to advance medicine and save human life isn't.

Although very young children have extremely basic thought processes, it is important to understand that this is because their brains are not fully developed. They are still as human as all of us, and assuming a normal course of events will become fully mentally developed, just like you and I did. Therefore they are not animals, since no matter what the course of events, an animal will never "develop" self-awareness and reason.

 

[Combined]

Personally, I think it's wrong to kill cats like this. You can use frogs, fly larvae, worms and everything else, but when you start using land mammals that are also favoured by humans and are semi-faithful companions, you turn from a fisherman, to a degenerate.

Though, under certain circumstances, I would probably agree with using cats for bait. If It's needed. I mean, really needed.

 

[duckfi8]

there good catfish bait ive herd

 

[Zykon TheLich]

scruff of the neck is an area on the cat which is desinged so their mother can carry them in their teeth - thus they evolved few/no pain receptors there

Where excactly did you get this little gem? Also, there is a difference between being gently carried by a mother cat and having a fisk hook shoved through the back of it's neck. It fake.

 

[EXPLICITasian]

I don't see the huge deal, sure it seems fucked up but chinese and japanese people do it all the time (except instead of using them as bait they eat them). It seems more like people here are just mad because cats are much cuter and are domesticated more than most animals/pets. I'm sure not nearly as many people would be mad if they used a snake, turtle, parts of deer or wolf or some shit...

... saying this, it's still gross and I wouldn't approve, but it's not something I'd go out of my way to ensure people don't do it.

 

[pigmonkey]

while its true that cats are just another animal, that kind of misses the point. Cats really arn't practical for large scale fishing, there just being used because some sick assholes think its entertaining. Personally i think your sick if you kill any animal for entertainment (i'm looking at you hunters) but killing a cat to catch and kill another animal purely for your own hightend enjoyment is phsycopathic. Its like the differance between murder and tourtur.

 

[duckfi8]

(didnt look at the website) mayb they r doing it because they need food?

 

[vivadelkitty]

CATS AREN'T BAIT! WTF! What the hell is wrong with people?

My thoughts exactly. The point of 'domestic' animals is as companions, not as throw-away fishing bait to be expended senselessly.

 

[zacaron]

There are some sick people out there who don't care about anything but their own entertainment. I can't say that I've not seen worse things because that would be a lie, but I love cats and I cannot see any justification for this. How about we stick a hook through those fishermen next time and use them as bait?

its a good plan but you would need one hell of a big kite to lift one of them and carry him over the water.

 

[TMAN10112]

Why has no one told me that now you can fish with live cats? Too the petstore!

 

[Kukakkau]

scruff of the neck is an area on the cat which is desinged so their mother can carry them in their teeth - thus they evolved few/no pain receptors there

Where excactly did you get this little gem? Also, there is a difference between being gently carried by a mother cat and having a fisk hook shoved through the back of it's neck. It fake.

well since the scruff of the neck is just a flap of extra skin. like the skin on your elbow that you can pinch and feel no/very little pain. yea maybe there is a big difference between cat teeth and a fishing hook but there still wouldn't be a large reaction to it. veterinary research and having a cat myself are good enough sources yes?
plus the website is backed by peta,SPCA,WWF and humane society - do you think 4 organisations that could be saving endangered species (like they do) would stop and help cats in a case they hadn't investigated?

edit: forgot to mention cats get their veterinary injections in the scruff of the neck as well for the very reason that it doesn't hurt them

 

[Zykon TheLich]

well since the scruff of the neck is just a flap of extra skin. like the skin on your elbow that you can pinch and feel no/very little pain. yea maybe there is a big difference between cat teeth and a fishing hook but there still wouldn't be a large reaction to it. veterinary research and having a cat myself are good enough sources yes?

So they've done veterinary research on jamming hooks through kittens necks? Show me this and I will believe you. Or maybe you have jammed a hook through a kittens neck?

plus the website is backed by peta,SPCA,WWF and humane society - do you think 4 organisations that could be saving endangered species (like they do) would stop and help cats in a case they hadn't investigated?

No it isn't. The website claims they will donate money to those organisations if you buy a T-shirt.

EDIT: Injection =/= dirty great fish hook. Regardless, the website is a scam designed to get idiots to buy cheap T-shirts for $20.

 

[Ezekel]

scruff of the neck is an area on the cat which is desinged so their mother can carry them in their teeth - thus they evolved few/no pain receptors there

Where excactly did you get this little gem? Also, there is a difference between being gently carried by a mother cat and having a fisk hook shoved through the back of it's neck. It fake.

well since the scruff of the neck is just a flap of extra skin. like the skin on your elbow that you can pinch and feel no/very little pain. yea maybe there is a big difference between cat teeth and a fishing hook but there still wouldn't be a large reaction to it. veterinary research and having a cat myself are good enough sources yes?
plus the website is backed by peta,SPCA,WWF and humane society - do you think 4 organisations that could be saving endangered species (like they do) would stop and help cats in a case they hadn't investigated?

edit: forgot to mention cats get their veterinary injections in the scruff of the neck as well for the very reason that it doesn't hurt them

Actually all we know is that they say they will donate proceeds to those companies. I see no mention of the site on the humane society page. I also searched on Google and found no mention of it on the PETA website or WWF or SPCA. They are also a for profit corporation.

 

[dijital101]

HOLY SHIT, THIS IS FUCKING FAKE!!!!!21!! GIVE IT A FUCKING REST!!1!!1!! 1. You can see the string tied around the cat. 2. That cat would have scratched the holy living fuck out of anybody putting a hook through it. 3. The hooks they were using were far to small for the size of the bait and the size of the fish they were fishing for.

 

[anaphysik]

personally, i find fishies to be way cuter than the grotesque offspring of those lazy backstabbing felines. must have something to do with being a manta ray.

my views:
human vs. animal - there's a difference; humans have sapience, the ability to reason (real logic), and express deep emotional 'logic'
save a pet vs. save a random human - i'd save the pet; it's an attachment issue, and humans are damn good at becoming emotionally attached (perhaps morally 'wrong,' but in that situation i'd honestly not care)
kittens as live bait (ignoring the likely fakeness) - likely inefficient. however, the site does allude to the rationale being that there's approximately 1 fuckton of kittens ("The Human Society of America has announced overcrowding in their shelters by cats and kittens as a result of global warming. Earth's warming temperatures haved[sic] caused longer and more frequent breeding seasons."), which i could actually see being a problem. still, the video does squick me because even implied piercings do, but I don't feel morally disgusted by the use of kittens.
babies as live bait - disgusting (not just squicking). i certainly feel an innate fear of humans being eaten (which is why cannibalism disgusts me), and reducing members of our own species for the minor benefit of fishing profits is not a trade-off I'd be willing to make. [I guess there's an identification issue at hand as well, since I do identify with babies as fellow humans, but not with embryos - I think embryonic stem cell research is plenty fine, even if it amounts to next to no benefit. Psychology is weird.]

 

[DannyBoy451]

Animals do have self- awareness and reason, just not in the highly evolved sense as humans. Animals are not automatons of instinct.

While I'm aware that a small amount of animals; such as dolphins, elephants and some apes have demonstrated these characteristics in very primitive forms, I have never heard of them being exhibited in any meaningful way by other animals.

 

[iain62a]

Humans will always outrank animals to me. I would gladly sacrifice 1 million kittens to save 1 human life. If we needed bait to catch the fish, I would have no qualms about using a kitten to catch them. The site there was bullshit though, it was either a scam or just trolling.