Fixing FFXIV Means Basically Redoing the Game, Says Square Enix
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They brought it on themselves so can't even feel sorry for them. Beta tests was telling them the problems for months and they changed nothing, not to mention they always talked about how they was going to make the pc/ps3 come out at same time in all regions so ppl don't get jump starts, then decided to rush it out on pc before xmas thinking the whole XI crowd would just ship on name alone. If this was their first MMO ya could understand, but it's like they took everything they learned from XI, took the worst out of it, and made of game full of shit that everyone hated. They been using the FF name to whore out subpar crap for years, and not it's biting them in the ass.
I agree on their name being damage when they abandoned Musashi, Front Mission, and Einhänder but Tactics game after the first one have been going downhill. Switching to that kiddy story and Laws and Judges system has only buried the Tactics as a series more. At least they didn't ruin Ogre Tactics for the PSPAiddon said:
While I won't defend the mess FFXIV was at launch (its still installed, though I can't vouch for how much the patches have fixed), but FFXI is a different beast altogether. The reason FFXI was the way it was is two-fold. 1) It was designed and released pre-WoW, when the MMO genre had not been codified/killed by WoW. 2) It was designed to run on a PS2. The reason the PC and XBox360 versions of the game ran like crap was because they were designed to run equally as well as the PS2 version, not better. Why do this, why not make those versions better? Cross-platform, cross-regional play, and fairness in play between those platforms. Aside from (maybe) DCUO, no other MMO has released on multiple platforms, and even if they had, those cross-platform people playing the same game on the same world servers? Blasphemy! Madness! (SPARTA!!!)Stall said:Sounds like someone is a Wrath babyAku_San said:. Not that is a bad thing or an insult, but it just sounds like you don't know what to do when you try and play an MMO with some actual complexity instead of the simplified-to-the-point-of-near-insult design mentality like WOW. It really isn't the game's fault if you are lost because you were expecting something almost patronizing in terms of simplicity.
Just think about it, you see 100 PCs in front of you. On WoW, all those players are on PCs, in the US (or whatever region you play in). On FFXI, those players are on some mixture of PS2, XBox360, and PC, and from all over the world. Crazy idea, isn't it?
Yeah well the arrogance here is kinda overwhelming.Stall said:Sounds like someone is a Wrath babyAku_San said:
What your saying if that someone who has played WoW, the current leader of the MMO genre(shut up it's not great but it's the still fact), can't even navigate the starting areas of another MMO with some ease it's not the games fault? The starting areas should be simple enough for a complete newbie to navigate and LEARN the game, am I wrong? If so please do correct me.
Most of my problems lie in that I'm used to playing FFXI, not that it's not a wow clone, since I can't stand WoW. It's like they didn't learn anything in the almost ten years that FFXI had been in existence. Lists of things I don't like:VincentX3 said:
Fast travel between points is limited by way of Anima. You get 200 Anima and it costs up to 6 Anima to teleport to crystals you've previously been to. Anima recharges slowly. Very slowly. So you have two options, walk, or hitch a ride with someone (until Chocobos and Airships are added with 1.19).
I both like and hate the job system. Not love, like. It's an interesting concept, but setting my abilities every time I switch weapons is slightly annoying. Sure I can make macros for it, but I'd rather it just remember what abilities for which job.
It's too asian. No, I'm not saying there's too many Japanese players. This is in regards to the grinding involved with Asian MMOs vs not nearly as much in western MMOs. If you're not doing Levequests, your SP (soon to be XP) will be coming in slooooooooow. Unless I've been doing something completely wrong.
The UI is just sluggish. I don't know if it's my PC, but it seems the UI is just shitty and slow. Targetting is a pain in the ass, selecting items to buy/sell lags. It takes forever to transfer stuff to a retainer or to sell to an NPC.
I don't know, maybe I just miss FFXI and I was hoping that XIV would be a HD version of XI.
As I said before, my problem isn't with extra clicks to sell stuff, it's the interface is slow and not very well designed. It was much nicer in XI, which makes it weird that it's harder to use in XIV.
I'm surprised that they didn't just throw in the towel overall for the game.
Ok initially during the beta and early days of it the game was absolutely unplayable and it really had nothing to do with it being dissimilar from WoW. For example one thing that really did It for me was having my toon become glitched and allowed to continue leveling but restricted from earning advanced skills for leveling. However bugs can be fixed.VincentX3 said:
No the unplayable parts were trying to release an MMO that was clearly centered around Tradeskills at the expense of combat. Or the sheer lack of viable quest content coupled with XP throttling, Coupled with an XP model that made it virtually useless to fight mobs unless your on a quest, yet limiting the number of quests you can not only hold, but actually get (cant get quests that dont exist) And an outside issue was an unrealistic system spec vs very weak optimization. Running last year on a 2.5 dual core, 4gb ram, 1gb GTX 250 and I was getting 20 frames per second.
Those were the biggest things that rendered the game unplayable at launch. However it is clear the game has been worked on and improved. It was just an insane decision to launch an MMO without proper support to combat classes, or the combat experience. However the game was even in those days very firmly salvagable with many interesting possibilities that made it worth considering as an MMO.
(Side note. What the hell is with SE and making their 2 MMOs control so stiff. Seriously its like every Player char is spawned with a stick up their ass that limits the upper turning velocity. Best way to ensure your brand spanking new MMO with slick graphics and all sorts of pretty shineys look really bad is when you rehash a control mechansim that was infuriatingly antiquated 10 years earlier last time you tried it)
There's complexity, then there's the online Final Fantasy games. I'm sorry, but a game that requires you to:Stall said:Sounds like someone is a Wrath baby
-stand in a specific direction on a specific virtual day for a couple extra points of damage
-memorize a dozen different combos that the group can do
-require perfect timing execution of said attacks for the special finisher
-have a flow chart for basic routines just to barely survive a single even con trash mob
-monitor a subtle movement of a regular trash mob to avoid an attack that can wipe the party
-run an 8 hour quest to rent a faster means of travel
-require the player to travel across half a mob infested zone to go past a foot tall shelf because of a lack of a jump key
and I could go on all day. That's not complex, it's convoluted.
So while I agree that WoW is probably one of the most simple to understand MMO's out there, it's a really huge gap between what WoW is and what the online FF games are.
Got news for you, SE, fixing find fantasy XIV is only the tip kf the iceberg. Fourteen was an utter failure, thirteen was a price if shit, a.d as far as your kkngskm hearts fantasy goes, the only people you're selling now are the blind fanboys that can't be bothered to use all two kf their braincells to realise they you're fucking then with cheap knockoff games that don't coat a quarter of what you're selling them for.
The whole company is A shell of what it used to be. I don't know who enix was before, but the merger with squaresoft clearly destroyed everything that used to bw good in that developer.
Edit: wow, i don't think I've ever had the autocorrect o. My phone screw with my typing so much. Gotta atop posting with my phone...
The whole company is A shell of what it used to be. I don't know who enix was before, but the merger with squaresoft clearly destroyed everything that used to bw good in that developer.
Edit: wow, i don't think I've ever had the autocorrect o. My phone screw with my typing so much. Gotta atop posting with my phone...
I tried to be reasonable and upbeat during the beta, but when it closed and the beta forums were rioting with pleas and demands to put the release off, I decided to not buy the CE as I'd planned. Still not regretting that decision, though I do feel a bit sad that the game never reached its potential. Maybe one day. But with all the new shinies coming out I don't know how they might convince me their game is worth my money.
not had time to read through everyones replies, so i'll just ask, is there any thing mentioned about when/if theyre gonna innitiate the monthly charges? Also how many more fixes do they need to do b4 the game will be playable without the annoyances? Anyone know?
Actually, I was Vanilla. 5 years and counting!Stall said:I like it how every other article discussing this press conference has been something along the lines of "FF Brand Damaged by XIV." The article on Gamesutra doesn't even MENTION this, nor does the article on the much less reputable, yet still more renowned than this site Massively. It's rather odd how the priority of two websites when reporting this are identical, yet on this site it appears totally different (at least in title only).
I guess this title just brings in the hits more, eh?
Sounds like someone is a Wrath babyAku_San said:
