Florida Home Owners Demand Removal of TARDIS

Strazdas

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ah, Home Owner Associations, ruining everyones live since their inception. why do we give them any legal power whatsoever again? have they ever done anything good other than complain about meaningless things?



Ranorak said:
What the hell is wrong with people when their biggest concern is what other people put on their driveway.
Seriously, don't you have bloody life of your own?
they are members of home owner association. its evident they dont have a life of their own.

Ben Halstead said:
We don't really have home-owners associations over here, but my understanding is that people who live in those sorts of communities do so on the understanding that they will maintain a certain look to their property, since this impacts the look of the neighbourhood.
the bigger question is - why would anyone want to move into a place thats run by home owners association?


RaikuFA said:
Just looked online, HOA really can't do shit. Can't fine them, can't destroy it (well they can but not without legal retaliation.). Speaking of retaliation, they should by putting up weeping angel statues.
they can sue them and win the case arguing about lowering neighboring house property value. has happened before.

Sniper Team 4 said:
Alas, the downside to being part of a H.O.A.
there is an upside? quick, tell us all the secret thats been hidden for decades!

Nods Respectfully Towards You said:
Not really seeing what the big deal is, for people that aren't Dr. Who fans I'd imagine some random useless telephone booth in a driveway would be quite an eyesore. This isn't even the normally nitpicky stuff I hear about most Homeowner Associations, it seems like a legitimate complaint.
complaining about item your neighboar stores on his own property is NOT a legitimate complaint.
 

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EssThree said:
Is having neighbours being uptight about what's in your driveway a common thing in America, or is it just Florida that has a bug up its arse?
It's not just America. We don't tend to have official associations dedicated to being arses over here (UK), but similar rules often exist nonetheless. For example, the deed to my house explicitly forbids me from keeping a boat or caravan in my garden. I have no idea whether there's an actual bylaw involved or if it's just something that was agreed on when the estate was being built back in the 60s, but you don't need an HOA for such rules to exist. The main difference is that without an HOA constantly sticking its nose in, no-one knows about most of the rules, let alone actually cares about them. The previous owner kept a caravan there for at least a couple of decades, and no-one complained because why the hell would they?
 

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I had an Issue with the Association in Lancaster CA when I first moved in. I had an all black Dodge Charger with black windows in my drive. Practically everyone there had Minivans, Now I have three kids and they all fit in the Charger. My wife owns a Range Rover Luxury which is our family Car. They complained that we should have a minivan as all the block has the same minivans and its a great form of unity. I was also supposed to paint my slate grey fence white as my house looked different, I explained to them that I could care less what they think and they could politely kiss my English arse. They went to the association board to get a citation against me. When we went to court I showed evidence that they all leased their houses and I am the only one who owned his house, as I was not a US citizen at the time so I could not get a lease. By the fact I owned my house their Home owners Association was void, we counter attacked and got it in formal writing notarized by the Governor of CA who at the time was Arnold Schwarzenegger. They cannot legally file a complaint about me ever as long as I do not violate their property, as I do not share a property line with anyone but the neighbour who did not complain and stood by me, they cannot say or do anything to me. Fuck em and their petty shit.
 

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Strazdas said:
ah, Home Owner Associations, ruining everyones live since their inception. why do we give them any legal power whatsoever again? have they ever done anything good other than complain about meaningless things?





Sniper Team 4 said:
Alas, the downside to being part of a H.O.A.
there is an upside? quick, tell us all the secret thats been hidden for decades!
I did in the rest of the post. You get to live in a nice neighborhood where the houses are maintained to a certain standard. There are plenty of people out there who consider this a massive draw. Keeping your lawn and home spick and span, only to have the person across the street allow their house to go to hell because they don't give a damn is extremely frustrating. As you said in response to another post, this decreases the general value of the area, and thus your own home.
Judging by your responses to everyone else, you do not think that is enough of a draw to consider joining one, but that doesn't mean it's not an upside.
 

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Therumancer said:
Ranorak said:
What the hell is wrong with people when their biggest concern is what other people put on their driveway.
Seriously, don't you have bloody life of your own?
Blame the real estate market. The bottom line is that your property values are not just dictated by the condition of your property but the condition of other properties in the neighborhood. Appearances matter. What's more the higher the property values the wealthier the people who tend to buy the homes, and the more taxes for the town. Thus local governments tend to support neighborhoods in passing laws that limit what people can and cannot do on their own property. Disputes over decorations and props aren't all that rare. This is also how professional groundskeepers make their money oftentimes dividing areas up into "territories" since in some areas you might be legally obligated to have your grass mowed to a certain height, and keep any bushes, trees, or plants to a uniform configuration. It's also why through a lot of the country your actually legally required to pick up the poop when you walk your dog, even if the dog say poops on the sidewalk on in your own front yard.

The thing is that something like a TARDIS replica is large and noticeable and pretty much requires you to know Doctor Who to realize it's not an actual abandoned police box, or some kind of storage shed or whatever. What's more everyone pretty much has something they want to put in their yard but can't, so neighbors tend to police each other, not to mentin everyone being concerned about their property values.

Like it or not, you need to think in the long term. What happens to this thing in 5, 10, 15 years? Does it sit there and decay? Neightborhoods with these laws are trying to prevent long term degeneration of property values. We've all seen houses with say decaying swing sets in their front yard, maybe a rusted out car someone was going to fix, and the ground eroded into patches of grass, abandoned and decaying storage buildings the size of that Tardis are also an issue. It might not be fair but it effects everyone around, not just the property owner.

Now perhaps the laws should be re-written to prevent this kind of local regulation, putting possible long term effects ahead of the now, but as things stand now this isn't uncommon and applies through a lot of the country local government by local government which is why th Suburbs and such look so kempt and uniform (occasionally mocked "stepford wives" style for I as well). Rural and deep urban areas are less well regulated.
Which is funny, because the neighborhoods without HOAs have higher property value increases than ones that have lenient HOAs, who in turn have higher value increases than busybody HOAs.

It's bad when evidence tells you that an HOA concept doesn't live up to reality. People pay more to not live in a HOA.
 

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If you've seen Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode on lawns, you know how full of shit HOAs are.
 

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Therumancer said:
Now perhaps the laws should be re-written to prevent this kind of local regulation, putting possible long term effects ahead of the now, but as things stand now this isn't uncommon and applies through a lot of the country local government by local government which is why th Suburbs and such look so kempt and uniform (occasionally mocked "stepford wives" style for I as well). Rural and deep urban areas are less well regulated.
So this is why the place looked so bland and boring when I visited the US, I thought it was just some weird fetish for that particular style.
Seriously the US is weird, I far prefer it over here where every house looks different and unique and where HOA's don't exist (or if they do their so rare I've never seen one).

I also find it rather ironic that this is popular in the "land of the free", psst whatever.
 

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pandorum said:
I had an Issue with the Association in Lancaster CA when I first moved in. I had an all black Dodge Charger with black windows in my drive. Practically everyone there had Minivans, Now I have three kids and they all fit in the Charger. My wife owns a Range Rover Luxury which is our family Car. They complained that we should have a minivan as all the block has the same minivans and its a great form of unity. I was also supposed to paint my slate grey fence white as my house looked different, I explained to them that I could care less what they think and they could politely kiss my English arse.
They tried to tell you what car you had to have? Fuck me, that's insane.

I've heard bad things about such associations before, and it always struck me as odd that these uber-restrictive things became so uniquely popular in a nation which aggressively touts individualism and freedom of expression.
I've got a fairly simple attitude with regard to ownership of property; I'll make reasonable efforts to avoid pissing other people off, and I'd expect similar in return, but other than that I'll do exactly what the hell I want with the area of land for which I've taken on a few decades of debt.

And I'd have thought that these associations were somewhat counterproductive anyway because that kind of excessive bullshit is going to drive people away and reduce demand. I'd certainly not want to live somewhere like that - I'd find it really oppressive.
 

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Not gonna lie there is a fine line between something silly like grass too high and a giant blue police box. I know a lot of people say "I pay to live here" well people paid to live around you and they might not want to see a "thing" like that. Again I don't like HoA when the just sit around and whine about a house being one shade off the approved color. That isn't something that will be noticeable unless the buyer has a imitate knowledge of that color. But a life sized TARDIS? I think they are trying to do good, but they go way way waaaaaaay to fucking far. But if your ok with what these two are doing then I hope you don't complain about a couple bringing their loud kids to a movie/restaurant. Remember they paid to be their to. Also for the dudes douche response, I would make him drive it. If you are going to maintain it's a vehicle then drive it.
 

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Sniper Team 4 said:
I did in the rest of the post. You get to live in a nice neighborhood where the houses are maintained to a certain standard. There are plenty of people out there who consider this a massive draw. Keeping your lawn and home spick and span, only to have the person across the street allow their house to go to hell because they don't give a damn is extremely frustrating. As you said in response to another post, this decreases the general value of the area, and thus your own home.
Judging by your responses to everyone else, you do not think that is enough of a draw to consider joining one, but that doesn't mean it's not an upside.
admittedly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so manybe there are people that like to live in cloned houses with 0 soul that must be maintained like some Tranquility Lane simulation. personaly i consider these neighboarhoods anything but nice.

Though, looking at actual prices now, it seems that the value is actually higher in places that dont have HOA, so even that is actually a falsehood.

It only decreases general value because the market is fucked thanks to HOAs.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Typical Florida, they just can't seem to make good decisions... Now to sit back and see what kind of fallout we get from this...

EDIT: Just for the record, I have nothing against Florida itself, I'm just amazed at all the stupid people that live there. I know not everyone in Florida is stupid, mind you... but I'm starting to think there's something in the water that causes folks to do really dumb things...
More like typical Home Associations.

These are the groups that demand their members have lush green lawns in the middle of Nevada and a years long drought and other nonesense.
 

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Imperioratorex Caprae said:
ccggenius12 said:
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I can attest to that. I transplanted to Florida. I love it. It's sunny and warm and it has people from all over the country fleeing the terrible cold weather and bringing their own cultures. I swear, I've seen more restaurants here opened by people from the Tri-State area than Floridians.

But it gets in the news a lot for two reasons: 1. Tons of people. More people = More news. 2. It's a bit of a mish-mosh. Not really Republican. Not really Democrat. Plenty of things to clash over.

Florida also does seem to love these little "communities."

I live in one. It's really not terrible. They usually have these long lists of rules that are generally not enforced unless: A. Things get really bad for the neighborhood or B. Someone is on a power-trip.

Like I'm technically not supposed to have my car in my community because it is three years older than Moses. But no one's stopped me yet.
 

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f1r2a3n4k5 said:
Imperioratorex Caprae said:
ccggenius12 said:
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I can attest to that. I transplanted to Florida. I love it. It's sunny and warm and it has people from all over the country fleeing the terrible cold weather and bringing their own cultures. I swear, I've seen more restaurants here opened by people from the Tri-State area than Floridians.

But it gets in the news a lot for two reasons: 1. Tons of people. More people = More news. 2. It's a bit of a mish-mosh. Not really Republican. Not really Democrat. Plenty of things to clash over.

Florida also does seem to love these little "communities."

I live in one. It's really not terrible. They usually have these long lists of rules that are generally not enforced unless: A. Things get really bad for the neighborhood or B. Someone is on a power-trip.

Like I'm technically not supposed to have my car in my community because it is three years older than Moses. But no one's stopped me yet.
I actually love that we're basically a moderate state on the average... It keeps things in check. There's some weird stuff that happens because of our diversity but I love it for all its weirdness. I've found a lot more people here are very accepting of strange lifestyles than most other places I've been.
There's some issues in gated communities and HOA's, but they're not all over the place thankfully.
I was lucky to grow up in South Florida, mainly the Keys which is like a totally different planet compared to the rest of Florida. Great food too.
 

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I am now very much ashamed that my fanfiction series uses the same acronym as the homeowners association. *makes note to consider name change of fanfiction from Heroes of Arcadia*

I'm calling it now, though: This will eventually become ACLU vs. HOA after someone calls out the HOA for a possible civil rights violation. (Not sure on that, TBH. However, I suspect someone is going to sue the HOA on some point.)

God, I hope Manasota Key is nothing like this. I'm planning on going on a vacation there.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Typical Florida, they just can't seem to make good decisions... Now to sit back and see what kind of fallout we get from this...

EDIT: Just for the record, I have nothing against Florida itself, I'm just amazed at all the stupid people that live there. I know not everyone in Florida is stupid, mind you... but I'm starting to think there's something in the water that causes folks to do really dumb things...
I agree, the fallout should be at he very least, entertaining to watch. So it's like Mexico, then? Don't drink the water? (I'm just kidding)
 

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I don't think these home owners associations should exist at all, and I dread to think of the people who create them and put 10000 rules in place to ensure that nothing ever upsets them personally.
 

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OneCatch said:
pandorum said:
I had an Issue with the Association in Lancaster CA when I first moved in. I had an all black Dodge Charger with black windows in my drive. Practically everyone there had Minivans, Now I have three kids and they all fit in the Charger. My wife owns a Range Rover Luxury which is our family Car. They complained that we should have a minivan as all the block has the same minivans and its a great form of unity. I was also supposed to paint my slate grey fence white as my house looked different, I explained to them that I could care less what they think and they could politely kiss my English arse.
They tried to tell you what car you had to have? Fuck me, that's insane.

I've heard bad things about such associations before, and it always struck me as odd that these uber-restrictive things became so uniquely popular in a nation which aggressively touts individualism and freedom of expression.
I've got a fairly simple attitude with regard to ownership of property; I'll make reasonable efforts to avoid pissing other people off, and I'd expect similar in return, but other than that I'll do exactly what the hell I want with the area of land for which I've taken on a few decades of debt.

And I'd have thought that these associations were somewhat counterproductive anyway because that kind of excessive bullshit is going to drive people away and reduce demand. I'd certainly not want to live somewhere like that - I'd find it really oppressive.
Its basically all the D,bags that gave up on life and now hate their wives and kids. They cannot understand why they hate, so they come after you because you still have self respect. Me and the wife have very nice house on a block that's meh, if anything they should conform to me.
 

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homeowner's associations are pretty much in my experience always dicks XD

some of my arugments with them include...
kayaking on the lake even though we were told we could kayak when we moved in
feeding the ducks from same said lake even though said feeding was in my own yard
having a CAT not on a leash (all the cat did was sun itself on the patio


things i did not like the HoA allowed
waking the neighborhood up with yelling bright lights and basketball at 3 am
shooting off fireworks after 10 pm (during summer)
walking aggressive dogs off leash
being a dick to everyone who even so much as looks at the damn lake even though we all pay lake mantances fees and have a right to it
blatantly breaking the neighborhood rules (like no election signs) and getting away with it because you are the "leader" of the Hoa

we eventually moved out but my mom told my dad no more "gated" communities
(yes I am a sterotypical lives in mom's basement geek XD)