Woo, I'm in :-DBamba said:However, I wouldnt mind if a woman would come in and tell us about how she prefer's her man's external look.
Well, you dont have to post a picture if you dont want to. Lets just keep it that way instead of deterring other people from posting pictures as well. I dont see a problem with it, and I dont want a single person(which is you) to make the idea seem like a bad thing to do. Obviously any picture has the possibility of being photoshopped or whatever it may be, but does that really matter? And what are the chances its true? Furthermore, I never said people should post pictures of celebrities. It can be any woman in general with external looks that matches your preferences for a woman's look.Katatori-kun said:Well, because no offense, but I don't find that to be very classy.Bamba said:Guys why dont you post a picture of a woman with external looks that you like. Just like I did.
For one thing, if you start posting photos of celebrities or porn stars, you're claiming women whose careers are invested in maintaining an appearance are an ideal.[footnote]And I would not post photos of former girlfriends because that would be creepy as fuck. And I don't play that game, because I know how photoshopped a lot of those women are and I'm not looking for someone who needs to have their legs insured just to protect their livelihood. But mostly because I'm interested in women that exist in the real world, not fantasies. If everyone starts posting celeb photos in this thread then the topic will only be a hair's bredth away from "Who is your waifu?", and I don't want to have that conversation because I find it rather creepy.
For another thing, because as I said before, I don't know exactly what my type is, so I don't know of anyone who embodies it. I think that rather than being attracted to a single set of physical features, I'm more attracted to what women do with what they've been given. So no one embodies my type.
The point is that there are people who dont care whether the picture is photoshopped or not. Its not like it really matters to us especially in this thread, for the sole intention of discussion external looks. Posting pictures here is merely for demonstration purposes, and therefore whether a picture may be photoshopped or not has zero relevance to the point of this thread, which you seem to be missing for some reason. Basically like I said.....if you dont like the idea of posting pictures of women, you dont have to do it. Nobody has to do it, like I said before.....Im not trying to force anyone to do anything here if thats what you think.Katatori-kun said:You asked why I don't, I said why I don't.
It matters a great deal.Bamba said:Obviously any picture has the possibility of being photoshopped or whatever it may be, but does that really matter?
We live in an age where the standards of beauty that get pushed on us by the entertainment industry are literally impossible. Photos are constantly retouched. The only way to reasonably expect that a photo hasn't been retouched is to look at candid snap photos, which is creepy in an entirely different way.
Check out Photoshop Disasters [http://www.psdisasters.com/] sometime. It's amazing just how much bad photo-editing gets done for professional products. But what's even more amazing is how trained we are to not notice it. If you don't look around you with a very critical eye these kinds of things can easily fly under your radar.
We could talk about how bad this is for the self-image of ordinary women, or how bad this is for heterosexual men because it creates standards they can't possibly ever achieve, but I think the best reason is far more direct. We just spent several pages with a great deal of men talking about how they prefer natural looks with minimal makeup. To turn around then and post photos of almost-certainly photoshopped celebrities as feminine beauty ideals would be the rankest of hypocrisies.
I dont understand what makes you think I tried to insult you by saying that. I didnt try to insult you. All Im trying to do here is make you realize that no one has to post a picture of a woman if they dont want to. You're the one arguing with me about this here and causing drama.Katatori-kun said:Look at those two sentences. In the first you acknowledge that it doesn't matter to some people in the thread. This is absolutely correct. It clearly doesn't matter to some people in this thread. But it also clearly matters to others.Bamba said:The point is that there are people who dont care whether the picture is photoshopped or not. Its not like it really matters to us especially in this thread, for the sole intention of discussion external looks.
Now you're trying to pretend that the "some" you are a part of is the "whole" of the thread. This is very poor form. As is insulting me by implying I don't understand something simply because I disagree with it.Posting pictures here is merely for demonstration purposes, and therefore whether a picture may be photoshopped or not has zero relevance to the point of this thread, which you seem to be missing for some reason.
I never said you were. I simply expressed why I take a dim view of men who hold up snaps of celebrities as illustrations of the ideal women's look.Basically like I said.....if you dont like the idea of posting pictures of women, you dont have to do it. Nobody has to do it, like I said before.....Im not trying to force anyone to do anything here if thats what you think.
Yeah, don't even get into how much time, energy and money a lot of women who are in jobs/careers/professions that require them to look well above 'average' have to spend just to maintain their looks.Katatori-kun said:And I don't play that game, because I know how photoshopped a lot of those women are and I'm not looking for someone who needs to have their legs insured just to protect their livelihood.
I never said the drama is caused by your disagreement. I meant it is caused by you making a big deal out of this. Which is fine, I can always just ignore you or a moderator would step in and do something. One of these things are likely to happen here, anyway.Katatori-kun said:Bamba said:I dont understand what makes you think I tried to insult you by saying that.You claimed I disagreed with you because I didn't understand you.Bamba said:which you seem to be missing for some reason.
I'm not "causing drama". I'm expressing my disagreement with your proposal. Disagreement is not drama. You are trying to suggest that my lack of agreement with your proposal is somehow "wrong". If you don't want the disagreement to continue, stop telling me my opinion is wrong. It's not like I have the moderator powers to lock the thread if I don't approve. If everyone else in the thread wanted to post celebrities and you hadn't tried to portray my opinion as "wrong" then I would likely have written off this thread as immature and stopped reading it.All Im trying to do here is make you realize that no one has to post a picture of a woman if they dont want to. You're the one arguing with me about this here and causing drama.
So the question is not directed at me personally, because I do not mind anybody doing any cosmetic surgery on themselves, because its their body. And because some aging effects really change the perception of your moods (permanent wrinkles between eyebrows look like a constant frown, falling eylids make your eyes very small and mean sometimes) - very careful tinkering is even an admirable thing in my book. I wish, more people would be honest about this and would not give false hopes and impressions.Psykoma said:Have a question for the ones who say something like 'natural beauty, no surgeries'.
I'm going to be going in sometime in the next year-ish to get my underbite fixed. It's mostly a functional surgery, but I would be lying if I said there weren't also notable cosmetic aspects to it.
How would you consider something like that?