How can someone seriously discuss an art form and make judgements on it if they have no clue how and why it came into being? It's hollow to complain about the use of certain words in a song if you have no clue what the context is! Do you think it's a good thing to critcize Elvis' dancing as sexually charged and therefore base without knowing that the phrase "Rock and Roll" is slang for sex? If you don't understand the language how can you gauge ability?Imitation Saccharin post=18.71114.724030 said:
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Like Yahtzee does. Review for the everyman.shadow skill post=18.71114.724051 said:
Or criticize from your own point of view
Yahtzee is trying to be funny.
What you end up with when you just criticize from your point of view is [insert music genre sucks because all of it's practitioners are dumb or talk about dumb things, don't use instruments the way I use them, don't write songs the way I speak.] It'd be like complaining about Shakespeare because he writes his plays using funny English.....
What you end up with when you just criticize from your point of view is [insert music genre sucks because all of it's practitioners are dumb or talk about dumb things, don't use instruments the way I use them, don't write songs the way I speak.] It'd be like complaining about Shakespeare because he writes his plays using funny English.....
Which would be absolutely valid because "funny" talking is subjective and thus entirely dependent on the individual.shadow skill post=18.71114.724069 said:
No it wouldn't Shakespeare isn't a bad writer because he used what is now an antiquated form of English. Should a work be considered bad or good based on the decision to use vernacular for characters within the work?Imitation Saccharin post=18.71114.725356 said:
So you subjectively judge competence of a writer? Do you say that an architect is not good at his or her profession because you dislike the aesthetic of a building he or she creates? Not liking Shakespeare because of his use of an antiquated form of English is not the same thing as Shakespeare being an incompetent playwright and poet because of this antiquated form of English.Imitation Saccharin post=18.71114.725617 said:
Well, once I release my zombie horde, none of this will matter. In fact, I'll send my zombies into the internet to eat the Escapist servers. Yes, it's impossible for me to be serious before I make a joke. I think I think as long as we use nuclear weapons, we can never attain peace. We must make sure no one ever uses one again. And what if someone threatens to? Well, we have no choice but to nuke them. (65.7 cookies for the reference)
Good luck doing it otherwiseshadow skill post=18.71114.725675 said:
The architect has 2 standards, although both are subjective. One requires that the building standing up is good as a precept, which is kind of universal (to humans), and the other is it is asethetically pleasing, which is so not universal (to humans) as to be a good candidate for spokeschild of the term.shadow skill post=18.71114.725675 said:
As we do with everything, for bullshit reasons.Eggo post=18.71114.725684 said:
It's no less bullshit to say "rap is a cultural expression of black suffering" then it is to say "rap makes people idiots".
Both are not only inductively determined, but ultimately both are opinions, and thus only valid in-so-far as one pretends objective truth can be found in something like whether or not Gandalf is, in fact, badass.
Except the nature of the music is a reflection of the culture and the culture is shaped by history. The Rock and Roll that made Elvis famous had sexually charged dancing, if you understand that the name of the art form itself is vernacular for sex; does it not shed light on why the dancing is the way it is? It's a fact that some rappers came out of the gang element in a time where one means of acquiring capital was (and still is) selling drugs. It only makes sense that this sort of lifestyle is reflected in the music that they create.
This is primarily why I hate the internet.shadow skill post=18.71114.726175 said:
I'm going to leave because I just had to edit out my own vulgarity, indicating I'm getting frustrated. See ya.
I think what you hate is the fact that you just blatantly contradicted yourself, rather than the internet. You throw around some false contradiction then claim I am negating all critiquing, when in reality all you want to do is say absolutely anything you feel like about a given subject regardless of whether it actually makes sense or not, because you refuse to draw a distinction between quality and what you like! Acording to you it would make sense and therefore be respectable to judge a movie that has been dubbed in English as having a poor dub in comparison to the original language even though you don't understand the original language at all, and therefore have no idea what a well done dub in said language actually sounds like!