Franchise Movie DOs and DON'Ts

[chozo_hybrid]

The implication that Arrow is a terrible show is astounding ... Sure, season 1 was slightly paint by numbers, but it was good at what it did. Season 2, so far, has proven that it can stand its own against some of the better superhero movies out there.

I have yet to see it, but has it changed everything about the character from the comics? What mindset should I go in with, because I love Green Arrow, from what I hear, this dude kills a lot of people and is a bit of a dick. Any of that true?Without spoilers, how would you, or anyone else recommend the show to a fan of the comic character, but with an open mind As I always take adaptions with a grain of salt.

I liked it, but I do see a superman fan being off put by something rather out of character (he would have steer the fight out of town)

I liked it, as a Supes fan.

Spoiler: For the end of Man of Steel

I thought he did try move the fight, bashing him a few times in a row in the air, but whilst he is a brawler, Zod is a trained military fighter who was able to keep more control of the battle to a point where he left Clark no choice but to end it, you could see Superman had not a lot of fight left in him, and if he didn't end it then, I think he would have lost.

I think that due to the event of the first film, the destruction and killing of opponents will be learned from in the next one I hope, where he does his best to control himself by limiting collateral damage and killing others, as it is wrong. But remember, Zod was a foe that promised he would kill everyone on the planet unless Clark killed him.

I liked it myself, but as I said: comic book logic and rules would have had him figure out something else.

Arrow takes fair liberties with the character. Yes, in the first season he's more than willing to kill (he's taking names off a list) and between PTSD and the belief it's his mission alone, he does act like a jerk a lot. Second season hashim trying the other way of avoid killing,and he seems to have moved back into having friends. If you could see the long term development potential in MoS, you can probably get through the rougher parts of Arrow.

I suppose comic book logic would do that, but sometimes, heroes do fail in the comics as well. Superman in the Kingdom come universe with Magog did pretty bad in one situation if I recall. It's why he becomes recluse.

Awesome, I think I'll give the show a shot then, thank you

 

[petef201]

Really Bob, calling Arrow "terrible"!? While the first half of season one was only ok (to be generous) it's now one of the better comic book shows I can think of. I'm all for everyone having widely different opinions, that's what makes the world go round, but being bitter and angry for no reason is uncalled for.

 

[Hyper-space]

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Simply put, you're telling someone on a tight-rope not to lean either right or left TOO much. An obvious, and yet, ultimately useless piece of advice considering that a proper balance in the set-up, story-telling and marketing of a franchise isn't a clear issue of "Do this and not that". The proper equity between these factors is elusive and hard to pull off.

This is not an indictment of your article.

 

[Mr. Q]

Somebody might wanna slip this under the doors of DC Comics and Warner Brothers. They desperately need this information more than ever. Mind you, none of them will read it since most of the higher ups are grade school dropouts. ^^;

 

[Actual]

Another one ignoring the article to talk about the Arrow hate.

I'm glad you hated it, I hated it too. I stopped watching after the first few episodes because it made me angry it was so stupidly written. Watching him murder 30 relatively innocent people each episode only to give the "evil boss" a chance to redeem themselves was my biggest gripe but there were many more.

However I went back and gave it another chance and by the end of season one it's actually not bad. It'll never be great but I can enjoy it now. So, there's that.

 

[anthony87]

Again with the 9/11 stuff regarding Man of Steel. Is this an American thing or is every time a city gets destroyed in a movie going to be 9/11 imagery from now on?

 

[caballitomalo]

I like arrow, and coming to think of it I would have liked to read Bobs take on it... such a shame he doesn't like XD.

Nice article, I hope marvel nails it with the netflix shows (finger crossed for iron fist) because they chose some characters with some top notch comic stories (Alias is one of my top favorite comics of all time). On the DC front, I hope the keep at it with Arrow and don't listen to the haters and please, for batmans cowl, get Liam Neeson to do Ras Al Gul again! Oh, and please don't screw up that Gotham Central (they are not calling it that but that's what it is) show.

 

[Ashley Blalock]

I think Marvel has another huge advantage over DC with Marvel has embraced the idea of streaming while DC seems far less willing to totally embrace the concept. Need to catch up on a Marvel movie or cartoon series, chances are pretty good you can do that on Netflix from the comfort of home and no extra cost. DC tends to only go with some animated films and parts of series since they seem to be in the mindset of people must buy the DVD or BluRay to access most of their shows or superhero movies. Need that episode of Batman Brave and the Bold with Wonder Woman, well too damn bad kid you are going to have to buy it somewhere. Warner just can't seem to accept it's not the same entertainment world as when Blockbuster was doing plenty of business.

As to Arrow vs Agents of SHIELD right now I'm enjoying Arrow far more than Agents of SHIELD. Sure Arrow got a pretty rocky start, but it seems like they are on the path to Green Arrow superhero instead on angry guy in the hood goes around killing people on a list and the thugs that work for them. Agents of SHIELD does a lot of name dropping without much pay off so it's mostly hey remember how cool that movie was instead of the show being cool. With Arrow at least you get things like Black Canary instead of just name dropping. Trick arrows, moving more towards actual powers, it's sort of like after season one someone stepped in and said we need to embrace comic book type stuff instead of running away from it.

 

[Fu11Frontal]

Guys, it was comment bait, let it go.

I fell for it too, but still.

At any rate, it definitely does seem as though MovieBob is really into the concept of crossovers, but he's currently not into the styles of either one. I'm personally pretty big on Arrow but I'm getting impatient for the Flash, since he's by far my personal favorite. I'm also itching to see Ollie start being the smartass everyone knows him as.

I've personally never seen Agents of Steel. Despite being a Mutant Enemy thing...or actually, maybe it's because it is. Something about it doesn't catch my interest, mainly the concept of blatant shoehorning of references as a form of advertisement.

 

[Fox12]

Ugh, I've always despised serial storytelling. That's the problem I've always had with television and *most* comics. Cinema used to be more or less immune to this, but now I can't even be bothered with films anymore, since they've just started emulating the other two mediums.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Seriously everyone, stop asking why he doesn't like Arrow before he actually answers it like he was planning to do all along in a long point-by-point comparison to Agents of Shield. Just be secure in your opinion of why you love the show, and let it go.

Related to the article, I had no idea how they were going to legally handle Quicksilver's slated appearance in the next Avengers, but now I learn that he is also going to be in Days of Future Past? However minor his role in either movie will be, this would be like releasing both Sam Rami's Spider-man and Amazing Spider-man within the same year. This is just going to confuse people not in the know about the comics. People like my parents.

 

[shintakie10]

Seriously everyone, stop asking why he doesn't like Arrow before he actually answers it like he was planning to do all along in a long point-by-point comparison to Agents of Shield. Just be secure in your opinion of why you love the show, and let it go.

Related to the article, I had no idea how they were going to legally handle Quicksilver's slated appearance in the next Avengers, but now I learn that he is also going to be in Days of Future Past? However minor his role in either movie will be, this would be like releasing both Sam Rami's Spider-man and Amazing Spider-man within the same year. This is just going to confuse people not in the know about the comics. People like my parents.

They've already explained how Quicksilver is in. They can't call him or Scarlet Witch a mutant. They can't bring up who their father is. They can't bring up anything related to the X-Men universe at all except for the names of the characters.

Its a gigantic minefield of what you can not say which, for anyone who actually knows the characters, will be a confusin mess.

As for the Arrow thing. I guess people are confused how a show like Marvel: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. gets a pass from Bob when he himself keeps talkin about how bland and fairly uninspired it is while Arrow gets called terrible.

By no means was Arrow great in season 1. It wasn't even very good because it was so incredibly formulaic, plus it was more like watching a show about the Punisher than Green Arrow because of the gigantic body count. However there's no denying that its gotten a lot better. There's actual character development, real honest character development, and the actors can actually portray that to some extent. I've gotten nothin out of that from Marvel Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. at all and Bob barely has either.

 

[VoidWanderer]

Honestly, I think DC should keep making TV shows, because can you remember the last good Marvel TV show, that wasn't AoS?

Marvel has 'won' the silver screen, It's movies are impressive and each movie series, does have a different feel to it.

I really enjoy Arrow, as I never 'got' Green Arrow until I started watching the show. I did like how things are progressing in terms of character development, like Diggle calling Ollie out on quite a lot of things.

I think Bob hates Arrow because it doesn't follow the decades old canon, this is my suspicion. But ultimately, he may not like the show for other reasons. It is an OPINION guys. Just because it doesn't match your does not invalidate it.

I am still not a fan of Superman, and I don't think I will watch Man of Steel or whatever the next DC movie is.

The next live-action TV show on the other hand....

 

[The Bucket]

The implication that Arrow is a terrible show is astounding ... Sure, season 1 was slightly paint by numbers, but it was good at what it did. Season 2, so far, has proven that it can stand its own against some of the better superhero movies out there.

I have yet to see it, but has it changed everything about the character from the comics? What mindset should I go in with, because I love Green Arrow, from what I hear, this dude kills a lot of people and is a bit of a dick. Any of that true?Without spoilers, how would you, or anyone else recommend the show to a fan of the comic character, but with an open mind As I always take adaptions with a grain of salt.

I liked it, but I do see a superman fan being off put by something rather out of character (he would have steer the fight out of town)

I liked it, as a Supes fan.

Spoiler: For the end of Man of Steel

I thought he did try move the fight, bashing him a few times in a row in the air, but whilst he is a brawler, Zod is a trained military fighter who was able to keep more control of the battle to a point where he left Clark no choice but to end it, you could see Superman had not a lot of fight left in him, and if he didn't end it then, I think he would have lost.

I think that due to the event of the first film, the destruction and killing of opponents will be learned from in the next one I hope, where he does his best to control himself by limiting collateral damage and killing others, as it is wrong. But remember, Zod was a foe that promised he would kill everyone on the planet unless Clark killed him.

I'd say keep in mind that the first season is a bit shaky and he is in his very early years. It seems like he's blind to any problems that arent on his list, but he realizes he's wrong about a lot of thing eventually and becomes more like comics GA slowly, even starting to develop the liberal political bend.

Its funny, I feel so ambivalent about Batman/Superman, but if Arrow was to show up in it, id be smack on the hype train

 

[shadowstriker86]

Yeah what's the deal with the Arrow hate bob? There are plenty worse show's out there.

Bobby, why do you dislike Arrow? No really, I want to know to the degree that I want you to use next week column to explain this.

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The thing with the first season is that it was originally only 12 episodes, and some of the first episodes was bad, so with some of the fillers. But, it has a good passing, the writers know how to us the cast (exept Laurel), it's never dull and for the most part avoid easy drama. How do this qualify as terrible?

Yeah what's the deal with the Arrow hate bob? There are plenty worse show's out there.

Bobby, why do you dislike Arrow? No really, I want to know to the degree that I want you to use next week column to explain this.

I second this. Sure, it's far from perfect, but it does a damn good job of expanding upon Green Arrow and creating its own take on his backstory and supporting characters - which, to he best of my knowledge, has never been done outside of the comics.

The implication that Arrow is a terrible show is astounding ... Sure, season 1 was slightly paint by numbers, but it was good at what it did. Season 2, so far, has proven that it can stand its own against some of the better superhero movies out there.

Why does Bob hate Arrow? that's easy to answer, the characters don't look exactly like they do in the comics therefore it is crap!

He did at least 3 articles on his Moviebob blog whinging about how Captain America had a non red, white and blue costume in the promo material for Winter Soldier before the trailer came out.

And look at the Batman costume hate as well. The only one he doesn't complain about is the lack of Thor's signature helmet.

Allow me to shut down page 1 of all these questions/arguments with a youtube clip


The reason why most people including myself dislike/despise Arrow is for the simple fact that with only a moderate amount of appearances in a long running tv series, green arrow in JLU is a WAY more likeable character than the brooding and sad version, and that's the best they could do. Also what the fuck happened to happy superheros? It's like every damn show and movie has to have their icons and characters be those goth kids from south park; the appearance of non-conformity while unknowingly conforming to an already tired and worn out form.

 

[Goliath100]

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I think I speak for everyone when I say that I knew that Bobby didn't like the superficial aesthetic of Arrow, but we are talking about man that have stated that:"[preference of aesthetics does not equal objectively bad]".

 

[shadowstriker86]

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I think I speak for everyone when I say that I knew that Bobby didn't like the superficial aesthetic of Arrow, but we are talking about man that have stated that:"[preference of aesthetics does not equal objectively bad]".

Well I'm not saying the aesthetics were bad, the city looked ok and so did the costume by adaptation standards, just the fact that the characters in arrow are shoddily written and the acting is on the same lowbar as syfy movies. Although im probably misinterperting what you meant by superficial aesthetics ><