Free Will vs. No War

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I have a long book series floating around in my head. A little to long to explain here but it's only to give this question context. In it I have the characters constantly encounter a simple moral choice. If they should continue to fight against 'the enemy' if they are trying to unify the world and spread humanity throughout the galaxy to ensure humanity survives, and in the process of this fight kill millions of innocents, or let them "take over the world". Note: They're argument for taking over is that with the rise of nuclear arms only a handful of people now have any free will that matters and everything else is an illusion merely keeping everyone content.

So, this is pretty heavy. But so far i've only had my personal view on this. What do you think?
 

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I find it pretty far fetched that you connect the rise of nuclear arms with oppression of free will.
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
I find it pretty far fetched that you connect the rise of nuclear arms with oppression of free will.
Not the oppression of free will but the fact that almost any choice you make has next to no significance within the world.
 

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signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
I find it pretty far fetched that you connect the rise of nuclear arms with oppression of free will.
Not the oppression of free will but the fact that almost any choice you make has next to no significance within the world.
And how is this connected to nuclear arms?
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
I find it pretty far fetched that you connect the rise of nuclear arms with oppression of free will.
Not the oppression of free will but the fact that almost any choice you make has next to no significance within the world.
And how is this connected to nuclear arms?
the fact that even though there are billions of people worldwide and that we can move throughout the world so easily only a few people have access to world altering weapons.
 

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azncutthroat said:
Ah yes... the "enemy," out there to "take over the world."

Biased black and white much?
Cos people take over the world for shits and giggles. At least they would if I was in charge... I'm starting to think I might be the leader of this 'enemy' group.

Also, how are these particular people innocent that they kill? Also, why do the have to kill them?
 

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azncutthroat said:
Ah yes... the "enemy," out there to "take over the world."

Biased black and white much?
You view it from the characters' perspective. So from their perspective, Yes "they" are "the enemy".
 

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signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
I find it pretty far fetched that you connect the rise of nuclear arms with oppression of free will.
Not the oppression of free will but the fact that almost any choice you make has next to no significance within the world.
And how is this connected to nuclear arms?
the fact that even though there are billions of people worldwide and that we can move throughout the world so easily only a few people have access to world altering weapons.
So suddenly all their choices have no significance?
 

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Demon ID said:
azncutthroat said:
Also, how are these particular people innocent that they kill? Also, why do the have to kill them?
Test subjects mainly. The fact that in order to stop them they need to destroy a building entirely. And if you see someone trying to destroy a building mobs tend to form and try to stop you.
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
I find it pretty far fetched that you connect the rise of nuclear arms with oppression of free will.
Not the oppression of free will but the fact that almost any choice you make has next to no significance within the world.
And how is this connected to nuclear arms?
I too am confused on the connection of free will and nuclear arms. Also, when you say spread humanity throughout the galaxy, does this mean slaughtering non-human sentient beings, or is humanity already under attack. I'm afraid that without more context it's a little bit hard to give a blanket answer.

Also, to Pimppeter2: your icon gives me great lulz. :D
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
So suddenly all their choices have no significance?
name one choice you can make that will do anything to affect someone's life dramatically who is on the other side of the planet.
 

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This just seems like a supremely stupid hypothetical attached to a gross misunderstanding of how the world works.
 

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signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
So suddenly all their choices have no significance?
name one choice you can make that will do anything to affect someone's life dramatically who is on the other side of the planet.
Adoption of a child from the other side of the planet.
 

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VivaciousDeimos said:
Also, to Pimppeter2: your icon gives me great lulz. :D
Haha thanks!

signingupforgames said:
Pimppeter2 said:
So suddenly all their choices have no significance?
name one choice you can make that will do anything to affect someone's life dramatically who is on the other side of the planet.
Adoption, donation, missionary work, hijacking a plane and crashing it into their house.

I don't see how the Government having nukes stops my ability to do any of these things.