I don't care if he was a Gypsy, those people are complete fucking assholes. I hope someone steps on them for this.
French animal rights activist group steals puppy from homeless man.
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There are not words for this anger. This is advanced anger. Oh my god. I don't even have words for this one. I guess the situation was confusing, but I don't understand how no one decked these asshats in the face.
Same. My first dog was a shelter pickup, but I stood by him all his life, until cancer forced us to pull the plug. It was that or his continued existence made us seem like inhuman assholes. There's only so much pain a living being can and should endure.DocMcCray said:
I'm on my second dog, and this one I've known since he's been born. Romeo imprinted onto us faster than you can say "clingy". He's three years old and still actively avoids other dogs, preferring the company of humans. If anyone took him from me (or me from him, I'd wager), there'd be Hell to pay.
Calling a dog "Vegan", selling it and rejecting its initial master on racial grounds? That's... It's verging on Sicko Far-Right territory, which wouldn't be anything new for France. As great as Paris and the metropolitan areas can be, there's a core of xenophobia that just won't fucking go away. I don't imagine the recent influx of refugees will help things.
If they genuinely thought the dog was drugged, then they would have to prove it. It's not exactly difficult if they know what to look for. They could take pictures, videos, a witness if possible, and submit a sample for testing. Sure the latter would cost money, but it sure as hell would've made them look like the good guys if the evidence added up (considering this could be a very serious offense). But all we see is a group of people ripping a dog from the man, puppy is screaming and struggling, and those people sticking the up dog for sale with the name "Vegan" as a statement. If they thought this wouldn't be seen as shady and hateful, then their heads are up their asses. Well intentioned vigilanteism or not, until we see more confirmed details, this group seems to be in the wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time a person stole a dog that didn't need help). If there was a genuine concern for the dog's safety, then they should've reported it to the proper authorities who would've likely handled it MUCH better (maybe creating a report so we wouldn't have so many rumors). I'm Canadian, so my knowledge on the Roma is somewhat limited, but until something more concrete turns up, that's where I stand.
Wow, now I can boil water of I place a kettle on top of my head!MarsAtlas said:
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Thanks for the link - petition signed.MarsAtlas said:
That guy needs his puppy back, along with a
Vegan animal rights people with a psychotic hatred of humans like Gary Yourofsky would blow your socks off. He called Palestinians the most psychotic people on the planet and defended his statemenet as not racist because its okay he hates everyone as if misanthropy excuses hate speech.... There are quite a few misanthropes in animal rights groups.Casual Shinji said:
This is a bit hard for me to come to a determination here.
One one hand, the man probably loved the shit out of that dog, and the dog probably loved the shit out of him. That's what dogs are, they're a piece of technology. We've domesticated wolves, guided their evolution until they've become dependent on human beings both emotionally and in many cases physically.
On the other hand, dude's homeless. Dogs rely on humans. Can this man ensure that this dog is fed every night? Would we feel the same about human children?
Their justification for taking this dog, however? Bullshit.
More infuriating, their method of taking the dog. It was an act of violence. If someone has to be physically restrained, the situation is violent, no human being has the right to use violence on another. This was unwarranted.
One one hand, the man probably loved the shit out of that dog, and the dog probably loved the shit out of him. That's what dogs are, they're a piece of technology. We've domesticated wolves, guided their evolution until they've become dependent on human beings both emotionally and in many cases physically.
On the other hand, dude's homeless. Dogs rely on humans. Can this man ensure that this dog is fed every night? Would we feel the same about human children?
Their justification for taking this dog, however? Bullshit.
More infuriating, their method of taking the dog. It was an act of violence. If someone has to be physically restrained, the situation is violent, no human being has the right to use violence on another. This was unwarranted.
Doesn't matter. Everyone has a right to a pet (strictly legally speaking, all their property) and getting into debating whether they'd make a good owner or not is getting into dark territory. No abuse was being done, the way he reacted to the fiasco you can but he loves the little guy and was doing everything he could for the pups welfare.RedRockRun said:
There was no need for this beyond these self righteous dicks deciding for themselves that he wasn't a good owner, and for a multitude of asinine reasons.
The amazing thing is how many asinine reason those are that can have everyone of all political bents screaming for these nutters blood.
They named the dog "Vegan"? Fucking idiots, that's not even a French word.
Besides, this is illegal, they're not cops, they're not even officials from some vague French administration/office.
There might be some "animal rights" motives behind this, but the biggest motive seems clearly prejudice and racism/xenophobia (couple of French acquaintances think as much, and looked a bit more inside this association to check). Besides, they seem to know quite well the "dog was drugged" point is bullshit, otherwise you don't put the dog up for adoption right ahead. And if the dog's not vaccinated, you'll have to do it and quarantine the poor animal first, not give it away as soon as you get your hands on it.
If they were really concerned about the dog, they would've called some animal rights organization or office - it's not the wild west, it's a modern European country ffs, there are rules and people in charge of checking these things.
Besides, this is illegal, they're not cops, they're not even officials from some vague French administration/office.
There might be some "animal rights" motives behind this, but the biggest motive seems clearly prejudice and racism/xenophobia (couple of French acquaintances think as much, and looked a bit more inside this association to check). Besides, they seem to know quite well the "dog was drugged" point is bullshit, otherwise you don't put the dog up for adoption right ahead. And if the dog's not vaccinated, you'll have to do it and quarantine the poor animal first, not give it away as soon as you get your hands on it.
If they were really concerned about the dog, they would've called some animal rights organization or office - it's not the wild west, it's a modern European country ffs, there are rules and people in charge of checking these things.
Wow...and I thought I was an asshole. It takes a real special level of assholeness to steal from a homeless guy...and you're just an out-right BAD human being if you take a homeless man's dog. Turning around and trying to sell said dog on the internet? Yeah, you're not an animal rights group, you're just bandits at that point. You stole something that wasn't yours and tried to turn a profit on it. Sounds like a bunch of common robbers to me.
Here's to hoping the law steps in and arrests the pricks and reunites the man with his dog, or that the person who buys the dog ends up finding the man and giving it back.
Here's to hoping the law steps in and arrests the pricks and reunites the man with his dog, or that the person who buys the dog ends up finding the man and giving it back.
They generally will eat vegetables if they're in the meat but they wont seek it out.Zontar said:
Yeah, they can eat vegetables and stuff, and even live off of them for a short time if it has the right nutrients, but I'd venture to guess that the ability or inclination to do so is a fairly recent selection in their genes.The White Hunter said:
I don't know of any dog who's willingly sought out vegetables and only one who liked fruit.
No, the steal the orphans FROM the nuns to sell online!Risingblade said:
Seriously what in the actual HELL. They're SELLING the puppy and they stole that poor thing from someone who in all honestly, probably needed them. And this is alright because he's a gypsy? Because he's homeless?
NO.
NO GODDAMMIT IT IS NOT RIGHT!
It's THIS kind of shit that makes me want to pick up a baseball bat and start pummeling every single inconsiderate no-neck waste of human space I see out and about making other peoples lives hell for no other reason than to do so.
Vigilantism at best, assault and theft at worst. Unless French law very much differs drastically from all other western nations, both of these are crimes, as would be attempting to sell the animal on afterwards. With video evidence and a publicly-accessible confession on FaceBook. Question is, about a week later why am I unable to find anything about criminal investigations, let alone arrests?
Also, their story about them chancing upon a man mistreating a dog and deciding to take action doesn't quite scan. They had two people to physically accost the man, and a third waiting in the crowd to run off with the dog. That seems planned to me - they employed tactics, ones that, if I'm not mistaken, are most common amongst pickpocket gangs.
Also, their story about them chancing upon a man mistreating a dog and deciding to take action doesn't quite scan. They had two people to physically accost the man, and a third waiting in the crowd to run off with the dog. That seems planned to me - they employed tactics, ones that, if I'm not mistaken, are most common amongst pickpocket gangs.
