FTC Shuts Down "Criminal" ISP

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randommaster said:
Maybe it's the mods posting it. The mods there are really weird and more inconsistent the ones here.
Thats an understatement.
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Also, are you sure it's CP, and not just anime with people that only look young?
Dude, it was a fucking baby. You can get much more CP than that.
 

bad rider

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The gates have opened, don't get me wrong I don't agree with hack and child porn. But this is the first step which will begin to limit and then destroy internet freedom.
 

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The first paragraph had me convinced that they had banned a certain we/b/site.

In all fairness, this is a nice sentiment but its like pissing into the sea, it probably wont make a spot of difference until they can locate and ban every offending site on the net.
 

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KeyMaster45 said:
I can't help but feel this is an ill omen, while file sharing is a far cry from kiddie porn in the legal world that gap isn't as big if someone goes on a crusade against file sharing. All one would have to do is convince a judge a website host is a "haven for criminals" and the whole damn thing could be shut down.

Granted it sounds like this particular host seems have catered specifically to criminals and should rightly be shut down. I'm sure there's more of an argument here, but I just woke up and complex thought won't be clocking in until 10am.
The main difference between intellectual property piracy and child pornography is that while pirating is wrong, you still might own that stuff and it's 100% legal to download another copy be it for backups or to burn copies for each day of the week because you have already purchased the license from the maker, whereas with child pornography, it's always wrong. ALWAYS. That's why pirating is a civil matter and child porn is a criminal matter. The two hold very different punishments, and rightfully so. The need to take down people with volalitle files such as child porn is far greater than finding a 12 year old girl for downloading the Jonas Brothers album.
 

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bodyklok said:
randommaster said:
Maybe it's the mods posting it. The mods there are really weird and more inconsistent the ones here.
Thats an understatement.
randommaster said:
Also, are you sure it's CP, and not just anime with people that only look young?
Dude, it was a fucking baby. You can get much more CP than that.
Of course it's a fucking baby, it's CP, whatelse is going to be there. Like I said though, I haven't been to 4chan in a while, so the mods may have changed.

Also, what's an understatement, that the mods are inconsistent or that they are posting CP.
 

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A step in the right direction perhaps, but I can't help but wonder if this will further develop into some serious power abuse. I guess a little cleaning up of the internet can't hurt, though it seems like an awfully futile job.
Eh *mentions the story of the one starfish* but no doubt it is a big mess. They should gun for the porn first *snicker* see how far they go in doing that.
 

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Wonder how long it will take for anti-piracy people to pick up on this and start their next propaganda step - "downloading games is [a cyber crime,] like child pornography" (with the part in square brackets conveniently disappearing over time).

The main difference between intellectual property piracy and child pornography is that while pirating is wrong, you still might own that stuff and it's 100% legal to download another copy be it for backups or to burn copies for each day of the week because you have already purchased the license from the maker,
The only problem is, in the case of games, your backup copy is 100% useless unless you break the law first by circumventing the copy protection (any no-cd crack, etc.).

whereas with child pornography, it's always wrong. ALWAYS. That's why pirating is a civil matter and child porn is a criminal matter.
According to http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=356, "The NET Act made copyright infringement itself a federal criminal offense, regardless of whether you circumvent copy-protection technology or whether you derive any commercial benefit or monetary gain. Thus, just making a copy of a copyrighted work for a friend now makes you subject to up to five years in prison and/or up to $250,000 in fines." Also, the child pornography laws are almost always so vaguely worded that anyone can get thrown in jail just for looking at the Wikipedia page for Scorpion's album "Virgin killer" (keep in mind that any picture that you look at on the web is automatically downloaded on your computer, in the browsers cache, instatly making you legally in posession of it).

The need to take down people with volalitle files such as child porn is far greater than finding a 12 year old girl for downloading the Jonas Brothers album.
As stated, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the copyright holders started saying it's the same thing. They've already convinced everyone that copyright infringment it is the same stealing, they've also made claims that it supports drug trade and other organized crime, and is a type of cyber terrorism that robs them of billions of dollars every year.
 

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its all exaggeration ...what we need is a rewrite of the copyright law, unfortunately CP will never fade, its impossible that would require policing everyone all the time, and id prefer a non 1984 universe thank you