Full year of Extra Credits.

[Stall]

The quote was

"If you want to do it right you're going to need a multi-thousand dollar machine. Yeah I know you can do it for cheaper if you really put in the effort but its hard to beat the cost and convinence of paying a few hundred bucks for a console once every few years."

Its pretty obvious they were referring to high end computers.

Oh wow, that's even worse. Holy mother of fucking god... I used to think they were just misinformed, and not stupid. You don't need a multi-thousand dollar rig to "do it right". That's one of the most moronic statements I've ever heard. It runs under the INCREDIBLY flawed logic that you have to play every single game on max the second that game comes out to be a PC gamer, which is a horrible, HORRIBLE definition. Even further, almost every game that has come out in recent memory can easily be played on high or more for a rig that costs about 800 dollars (even at the making of the video). Some people might even say its a high estimate. You could get a Wal-Mart computer for 500 dollars and throw in a 150 dollars vid card and play most games coming out this year on medium... at least. Since you already need a PC for everything in today's society, the only additional cost you are incurring to make it a gaming rig is 150 dollars, which is about the same as most video game consoles. That's not even factoring in the massive amounts of savings you'd get from Steam sales and the hundreds of free games on PC.

Don't even TALK about long term costs of a console versus a PC. The only thing he's right about is that consoles are more convenient. Either way, that statement just reeks of total and absolute misinformation. Like I said, I don't know if EC is intentionally using misinformation to pander to their pro-console demographic (that seems just too low), or they are somehow that ignorant of PC hardware in an industry where you'd probably have at least a decent idea about this sort of thing. Hell, the author of EC might have even known this, and just deliberately twisted facts to make something look how they wanted.

 

[GeorgW]

It's a damned fine show, that's for sure! It has great insight and purpose and is very needed in this industry.
Btw, I hope Alison is doing well.

 

[Dr Snakeman]

The quote was

"If you want to do it right you're going to need a multi-thousand dollar machine. Yeah I know you can do it for cheaper if you really put in the effort but its hard to beat the cost and convinence of paying a few hundred bucks for a console once every few years."

Its pretty obvious they were referring to high end computers.

Oh wow, that's even worse. Holy mother of fucking god... I used to think they were just misinformed, and not stupid. You don't need a multi-thousand dollar rig to "do it right". That's one of the most moronic statements I've ever heard. It runs under the INCREDIBLY flawed logic that you have to play every single game on max the second that game comes out to be a PC gamer, which is a horrible, HORRIBLE definition. Even further, almost every game that has come out in recent memory can easily be played on high or more for a rig that costs about 800 dollars (even at the making of the video). Some people might even say its a high estimate. You could get a Wal-Mart computer for 500 dollars and throw in a 150 dollars vid card and play most games coming out this year on medium... at least. Since you already need a PC for everything in today's society, the only additional cost you are incurring to make it a gaming rig is 150 dollars, which is about the same as most video game consoles. That's not even factoring in the massive amounts of savings you'd get from Steam sales and the hundreds of free games on PC.

Don't even TALK about long term costs of a console versus a PC. The only thing he's right about is that consoles are more convenient. Either way, that statement just reeks of total and absolute misinformation. Like I said, I don't know if EC is intentionally using misinformation to pander to their pro-console demographic (that seems just too low), or they are somehow that ignorant of PC hardware in an industry where you'd probably have at least a decent idea about this sort of thing. Hell, the author of EC might have even known this, and just deliberately twisted facts to make something look how they wanted.

Hey, guess what? IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!

Quit flipping out about how they pander to the "pro-console demographic" (like that's even a thing) and quit acting offended just because they dare think that games can, in fact, be art. Jesus, what the hell is your problem?

Their point was that PCs cost more. They aren't maliciously twisting facts to keep the people who play video games on computers down. They are expressing a goddamned opinion and their numbers happen to be off a little bit.

It's people like you- the types who think that the differences in consoles and PCs have any bearing on anything at all- who give this site a bad name.

There is no "pandering" to anyone. I'm not even sure who they'd be "pandering" to, or why. These are all their own ideas. I'm not sure the word "pandering" means what you think it means.

The Extra Credits team overanalyzes stuff (games, mostly) like we nerds love to do. Personally, I like that. Maybe you don't. But calling them "pretentious, stupid, and misinformed" just because you don't care for stuff like that just shows extreme immaturity, and an inability to deal with opinion that differs from your own.

 

[Dr Snakeman]

I like it. It's got some very unique insights into the gaming industry. They can get a little long-winded, though. Also, not all of their videos apply to people like me; sometimes they seem addressed to the actual game developers themselves, instead of regular old gamers. I still watch them because they interest me, but they would do well to broaden the appeal.

 

[AgentBJ09]

I've enjoyed the show for it's first year, and I'm looking forward to seeing them go yet another year.

For this first year, a few of the episodes, like the Sexual Diversity and Project Ten Dollar ones, had information I disagreed with, or found to be outright incorrect due to my own experience with games and businesses that deal in them.

Then, like others have said before, they do tend to get preachy at some points, but since these are mini-speeches and presentations they're creating for these videos, that's pretty much how they are going to sound like. When you listen to a presentation on a problem, or a certain subject that is not working as well as it should, it's going to sound preachy because being told how to improve something is often going to sound like that. There's barely anyway around it, even with good speech writing.

That said, the show is informative and I've had fun this first year listening to them. Here's to another year of gaming videos.

 

[Stall]

-snip-

Well I'm sorry that I have an opinion. Shit, I'll just go over here and cry now that I've been informed I'm wrong. I'm sorry that I don't like what you like... I suppose that offense makes someone into a leper in today's society, yes?

First things first, if their point was that PC costs more, then why did they make so many ancillary statements that corrupt that intent? If they wanted to say PCs cost more, they should have said PCs cost more. But the thing is, that statement is false. It's horrible, horrible logic to believe that you need a multi-thousand dollar PC to "do it right," for the reasons I outlined. Even if you like EC, you CANNOT deny that the logic in that statement is objectively god awful. Even further, you can show that PCs can end up being cheaper than a console in the long run. You can't have an opinion on things like cost. Costs and prices have hard numbers, and anything with numbers you can effectively show to be true or false. The fact-of-the-matter is that statement was of a very dubious nature, as is many of the statements made on EC.

Also, you fail to understand what I said. I said they pander to people who think games are art. I didn't say games can't be art... thanks for putting words in my mouth there (you know what they say about assumptions?). Even further, I said that they pander to a specific demographic, and that demographic is people who think games are art. Everything from their diction is made to appeal to these sort of people, who I often find to be pseudo-intellectuals. Get things right and stop trying to twist my words or put words into my mouth.

 

[King Toasty]

It's one of the best shows on the Internet. Extremely smart, and they talk from experience. Always the best part of my Thursdays.

 

[Stilkon]

I've actually met people who graduated with a degree in game design who like Extra Credits. I think that speaks for itself.

 

[Esotera]

-snip-

Well I'm sorry that I have an opinion. Shit, I'll just go over here and cry now that I've been informed I'm wrong. I'm sorry that I don't like what you like... I suppose that offense makes someone into a leper in today's society, yes?

First things first, if their point was that PC costs more, then why did they make so many ancillary statements that corrupt that intent? If they wanted to say PCs cost more, they should have said PCs cost more. But the thing is, that statement is false. It's horrible, horrible logic to believe that you need a multi-thousand dollar PC to "do it right," for the reasons I outlined. Even if you like EC, you CANNOT deny that the logic in that statement is objectively god awful. Even further, you can show that PCs can end up being cheaper than a console in the long run. You can't have an opinion on things like cost. Costs and prices have hard numbers, and anything with numbers you can effectively show to be true or false. The fact-of-the-matter is that statement was of a very dubious nature, as is many of the statements made on EC.

Also, you fail to understand what I said. I said they pander to people who think games are art. I didn't say games can't be art... thanks for putting words in my mouth there (you know what they say about assumptions?). Even further, I said that they pander to a specific demographic, and that demographic is people who think games are art. Everything from their diction is made to appeal to these sort of people, who I often find to be pseudo-intellectuals. Get things right and stop trying to twist my words or put words into my mouth.

I think the point is perfectly valid. Cost may be an absolute factual issue, but the definition of "do it right" is not. Yes, it's possible to create a PC that plays games for about the same amount of money as a console (bought new). But is the level of play at the sort of level EC were talking about? No. They are referring to the high-end of the market - computers with several gigs of RAM, a good processor, and a very good graphics card.

Incidentally, I just picked up an xbox second-hand, including one controller and Assassin's Creed, for £70. It works perfectly, and didn't require any setup other than plugging things together for five minutes. Can you buy a gaming pc for that amount of money and effort?

 

[hazabaza1]

Wait, it's been a year already?
Shit, that went fast. Anyway, I think they're good. Good topics, but they do seem to look to far into things sometime, like the morality episode with the missile bunker game being about "moral choices".

 

[FernandoV]

The early episodes were good but it sort've got full of itself lately. They are on some crusade and I'm not sure why :\

 

[Axelhander]

Well I'm sorry that I have an opinion.

Words you don't know the meaning of: opinion, informed.

 

[jacobythehedgehog]

my favorite web show on the internet by far. It's nice to see some intelligent gamers who actually take some issues of the medium seriously and constructively.

I agree, I would love to see more shows and gamers like that. None of my gamer friends look at games like I do anymore.