Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[TheMysteriousGX]

Not at all, where are you getting that?

The general question was could there be a movie or game that featured "The First Transgender Villian" and have it be acceptable. Because generally negatives towards LBGT characters are not fair game at the moment.

But at the same time we want more representation so that means the community must be open to all roles in order to best seat that representation right?

Most villains aren't sexual deviants so that should be the easy part. But would the community be okay with murderers or terrorists? that's all.

I mean, I wouldn't be okay with a movie or game that features "The First Transgender Villain" because I'm pretty sure that's happened dozens or hundreds of times before I was born

That's...thats kinda why people can be touchy about it.

"Would you be okay with villains representing trans people" is kinda like asking "but what if we added pepperoni to pizza"

 

[CriticalGaming]

Jack Reacher is popular to millions, but he's six and half feet tall, built like a tank, highly intelligent, and wanders the USA like a hobo with no official records.

You should know this is the male fantasy. Or the fantasy of what is peak male. This is the same way boys look up to Stalone and Schwartzenegger. Action heroes embody the coolest parts of manhood as a fantasy. Glorified in all their beautiful six pack abs.

The hero of Lord of The Rings is a hobbit. How many hobbits have you seen around town? How do we empathise with this character who is already exceptional by the nature of his hobbit-ness, indeed, not even a human at all?

The main character is a hobbit. The heroes are the fellowship, namely badasses like Legolas and Aragorn.

o, you cite Spiderman as a character made normal by his otherwise plain-clothes Peter Parker life. So why is any different for trans people?

The very experience of trans-ness is not something that people can relate to. If they could, then it wouldn't be such a battle for trans-rights and all that now would it?

I'm also not speaking directly as a super hero, just protagonist.

Say something like John McClain or the afformentioned Reacher as a trans individual. The changes that show would need to undergo to reach the same amount of audience would be very difficult to pull off. Not impossible, but I highly doubt any studio is going to take that risk considering most shows that try to input LBGT stuff into them, end up being trash because the propaganda of having LBGT characters comes before making an entertaining show. See Batwoman or Superwoman.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Yes, he can. It's called the movie version, where he was played by Tom Cruise.

HA Sick burn on Tom Cruise!

 

[thebobmaster]

I didn't really mean it as a burn, persay. Just saying that Tom Cruise, to put it mildly, is not a hulking mass of muscle in the same way the show and book Jack Reacher are.

 

[Buyetyen]

But at the same time we want more representation so that means the community must be open to all roles in order to best seat that representation right?

Offering shitty roles to underemployed actors is like selling tainted water to people dying of thirst. Just saying.

The main character is a hobbit. The heroes are the fellowship, namely badasses like Legolas and Aragorn.

That's an arbitrary distinction with no substance to it and a real disservice to both Tolkien's writing and the craftsmanship of the filmmakers.

The very experience of trans-ness is not something that people can relate to.

It is not impossible to relate to trans people, dude. They're people too no matter how much the Republicans insist otherwise. Again, the ability to empathize with them comes not from them being trans, but how they feel about it. You may not be able to relate to gender dysphoria, but can you really say there's nothing relatable about the struggles of self-actualization?

 

[CriticalGaming]

It is not impossible to relate to trans people, dude. They're people too no matter how much the Republicans insist otherwise. Again, the ability to empathize with them comes not from them being trans, but how they feel about it. You may not be able to relate to gender dysphoria, but can you really say there's nothing relatable about the struggles of self-actualization?

Which could be great in a film about the trans experience. A drama about someone's transition and how life goes for them throughout that process. It would probably win a shitload of sundance awards.

However that experience is not so easily interwoven into a Rambo film where Rambo is Janice Rambo now. You'd have a much harder time respecting the trans of the character, while also keeping them a badass killing machine that people love because there is a much different hurdle to jump over for both the filmmakers and the audience. That's what i'm trying to say. Not that it would be impossible, of course, just....unlikely?

 

[Buyetyen]

Which could be great in a film about the trans experience. A drama about someone's transition and how life goes for them throughout that process. It would probably win a shitload of sundance awards.

However that experience is not so easily interwoven into a Rambo film where Rambo is Janice Rambo now. You'd have a much harder time respecting the trans of the character, while also keeping them a badass killing machine that people love because there is a much different hurdle to jump over for both the filmmakers and the audience. That's what i'm trying to say. Not that it would be impossible, of course, just....unlikely?

Okay, so what exactly do trans people in general not have that prevents them from playing action heroes? Because apparently, blockbusters are the only movies worth being in.

 

[Agema]

The very experience of trans-ness is not something that people can relate to. If they could, then it wouldn't be such a battle for trans-rights and all that now would it?

I can't relate to trans like I can't relate to having a vagina, menstruating and being turned on by George Clooney. And yet that does not for a minute stop me enjoying media with women heroes.

I do actually get what you're saying about the battle for trans rights and I think there is a point in there. Relating to people is about opening up oneself to other people, by which we talk to, think about, and can to a large extent bridge the gap between our differences. It's the basic bread and butter of society. The battle for rights that oh so many groups have gone through is in large part the struggle to be heard and represented so that people can relate to them, and not think they are some weird alien species that works in unfathomable ways. If you are a man and want to know what women are like (or more specifically, an individual woman), what better than go off and talk to them, and hear what they have to say about their life and the world?

In other words, what we need are trans voices to make them easier to relate to for those that find it tricky. The argument that we need to lock transpeople away in a box because, ooh, that stuff's a bit weird, innit? only ever guarantees is that they won't be related to, when in fact they can be if we are prepared to hear them.

 

[CriticalGaming]

In other words, what we need are trans voices to make them easier to relate to for those that find it tricky.

This is where that video i posted a while ago comes up. There are a lot of trans voices i actually like, that the trans community fucking hates....at least the extreme trans activists hate. And unfortunately those are the people that screech the loudest and that becomes most of what cis people see. They see more of the batshit crazy people, than the everyday transperson just trying to do their shit.

I think it's going to be a struggle for so long as the community can't get their shit together. Once that happens and compromise can be reached between what they need and what the political powers are willing to give (which can increase over time as it always does), then we'll see a lot of increases in both acceptance and representation.

 

[Gordon_4]

Because being trans is....let me find a word that isn't triggering....Let's go with Exceptional.

Being trans is exceptional in the sense of it differs from the majority; not exceptional in the sense of being able to fly, bench press a tectonic plate and shoot laser beams from the eyes.

 

[Trunkage]

This is where that video i posted a while ago comes up. There are a lot of trans voices i actually like, that the trans community fucking hates....at least the extreme trans activists hate. And unfortunately those are the people that screech the loudest and that becomes most of what cis people see. They see more of the batshit crazy people, than the everyday transperson just trying to do their shit.

I think it's going to be a struggle for so long as the community can't get their shit together. Once that happens and compromise can be reached between what they need and what the political powers are willing to give (which can increase over time as it always does), then we'll see a lot of increases in both acceptance and representation.

That's not how reality works. There are always batshit crazy lefties, libertarians, homosuals, liberals BLM, anarchists, SJWs and antiSjw, socialists and capitalist

Even in Qanon there are some that are fine and some that are way crazier

No one can do anything about this except call them out and maybe ostracized them. So, these transpeople you are talking about are ALREADY do the maximum they can do. They can't hold guns to people's heads and demand recantations.

And like, just stop pretending that all transpeople are the same. It's not a thing and never will be. Please and thank you

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

The very experience of trans-ness is not something that people can relate to. If they could, then it wouldn't be such a battle for trans-rights and all that now would it?

I'm also not speaking directly as a super hero, just protagonist.

Say something like John McClain or the afformentioned Reacher as a trans individual. The changes that show would need to undergo to reach the same amount of audience would be very difficult to pull off. Not impossible, but I highly doubt any studio is going to take that risk considering most shows that try to input LBGT stuff into them, end up being trash because the propaganda of having LBGT characters comes before making an entertaining show. See Batwoman or Superwoman.

"We can't get instantly there from here, so there's no point in taking a single step."

 

[CriticalGaming]

"We can't get instantly there from here, so there's no point in taking a single step."

We are trying though aren't we. LBGT side characters are becoming more and more of a thing and in the case of CW shows, even becoming the main characters. Unfortunately the expirament in inclusion is not going well right now. However I don't think the characters being LBGT is currently the problem. It's that there are no good writers and producers getting behind these shows to make them good.

You know who was a good character in an awesome show? Willow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She grew season by season, wasn't just a token side character and grew to be powerful in her own right and it was great. We need more of that and less, "I'm not letting a man take credit for a woman's work." Batwomen bullshit when she is literally stealing Bruce's shit. What do you mean woman's work, she did nothing but put tits on the batsuit!

 

[Trunkage]

We are trying though aren't we. LBGT side characters are becoming more and more of a thing and in the case of CW shows, even becoming the main characters. Unfortunately the expirament in inclusion is not going well right now. However I don't think the characters being LBGT is currently the problem. It's that there are no good writers and producers getting behind these shows to make them good.

You know who was a good character in an awesome show? Willow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She grew season by season, wasn't just a token side character and grew to be powerful in her own right and it was great. We need more of that and less, "I'm not letting a man take credit for a woman's work." Batwomen bullshit when she is literally stealing Bruce's shit. What do you mean woman's work, she did nothing but put tits on the batsuit!

Willow wasn't planned to be lesbian. It was thrown out as a token thing she turned into

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Willow wasn't planned to be lesbian. It was thrown out as a token thing she turned into

Then they randomly killed her girlfriend and had her turn evil because "bury your gays" is an old and proud literary tradition

 

[Gordon_4]

Then they randomly killed her girlfriend and had her turn evil because "bury your gays" is an old and proud literary tradition

It also counts as an example of a (female) love interest being 'fridged' as Gail Simone has been wont to put it. With the sole difference being that the story being advanced - after a fashion - was Willow's.

So that's what, two steps forward and one step back?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

It also counts as an example of a (female) love interest being 'fridged' as Gail Simone has been wont to put it. With the sole difference being that the story being advanced - after a fashion - was Willow's.

So that's what, two steps forward and one step back?

Diversity win! The girl being killed for cheap pathos and character development was a lesbian!

 

[thebobmaster]

On a different subject...does this count as irony? I feel like "irony" is often misused, so I'm legitimately not sure, but this feels like irony to me.

Disney heir comes out publicly as transgender, condemns anti-LGBTQ bills

Charlee Corra, a high school science teacher, regrets not having done more to advocate against Florida’s bill limiting LGBTQ classroom discussion.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Trunkage]

We are trying though aren't we. LBGT side characters are becoming more and more of a thing and in the case of CW shows, even becoming the main characters. Unfortunately the expirament in inclusion is not going well right now. However I don't think the characters being LBGT is currently the problem. It's that there are no good writers and producers getting behind these shows to make them good.

You know who was a good character in an awesome show? Willow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She grew season by season, wasn't just a token side character and grew to be powerful in her own right and it was great. We need more of that and less, "I'm not letting a man take credit for a woman's work." Batwomen bullshit when she is literally stealing Bruce's shit. What do you mean woman's work, she did nothing but put tits on the batsuit!

I actually have another question. Morbius came out and is regarded as pretty crap.

Are you going in there and discussing how it needs to be better written representation for males?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Being trans is exceptional in the sense of it differs from the majority;

We should just not have minorities in fiction, problem solved. And/or something about how minorities can relate to people who aren't for some reason, but not the other way around.