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Yes, that's a screen grab containing your claim that people are eating enough sugar to give them 100% chance of diabetes. A claim you've been unable to provide a single source or detail for-- how much sugar, how many people, a single study.

Who hasn't gotten diabetes from constantly eating too much sugar?
>85% of people with prediabetes, for whom it doesn't develop to diabetes.

It's the mechanisms in the body.
OK, serious question here: do you genuinely believe that if presented with identical stimuli, all human bodies will always respond identically?
 
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Fair enough, though no reason why they wouldn't want to go to other developed countries instead, plenty o them around.
Australia will get hit hard by climate change, Canada has a massive housing shortage and will face snap freezes and hectic weather from climate change, NZ is for the rich, and the UK is facing poor leadership and is not in the EU.

The EU meanwhile hasn't changed, their smartest people go to places like Boston, and San Francisco or just remote jobs in the US.

The US meanwhile has crap tons of freshwater, food, and favorable geography, and it is the place that will face climate change the best.
 

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Is this your first time seeing criticism of art? Like that tweet isn't some doctorate-level reading of the scene; it's entry-level. Did you sleep entirely through your middle/high school literature classes?
They're warrior bugs capable of biting off human limbs and are killers with less intelligence than things you've probably eaten had
 
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Who hasn't gotten diabetes from constantly eating too much sugar?
Look, you can't just keep reframing the same statement in different ways and pretend you're answering anything.

How much sugar is "constantly eating too much sugar"?

It's the mechanisms in the body. Are there people immune to insulin resistance?
Firstly, different people will have different susceptibility to insulin resistance. Secondly, insulin resistance is not diabetes.

There's a study of oreos lowering "bad" cholesterol.
Can I give you some advice? Don't do this. There is no way that paper is not a shitshow in terms of any useful point you want to make here. It is not going to end well for you if you press this point.

That is true in one sense but also false in another sense. Just having high cholesterol is meaningless for how much plaque you have and will get.
It's clearly not "meaningless". You are talking out of your arse.

It is in fact a relationship very similar in concept to that of sugar intake and insulin resistance. People will have different susceptibilities.

And I'm guessing you'll be sending my an associative study...
No, I said mechanisms, so I'd send you a paper linking saturated fatty acids to activation of Toll-like receptors and increased levels of pro-inflammatory markers / mediators such as (if I remember rightly) C-reactive protein and NFkB (that "k" should really be a kappa, btw.)

Why would I be talking about vitamins when I'm talking about what types of foods people are eating?
Firstly, vitamins are a key part of diet. Secondly, you just said doing the opposite of the government recommendations as healthy eating, you didn't specify an area.
 

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Yes, that's a screen grab containing your claim that people are eating enough sugar to give them 100% chance of diabetes. A claim you've been unable to provide a single source or detail for-- how much sugar, how many people, a single study.



>85% of people with prediabetes, for whom it doesn't develop to diabetes.



OK, serious question here: do you genuinely believe that if presented with identical stimuli, all human bodies will always respond identically?
And where are these people that are immune to insulin resistance?

IF THEY CHANGE THEIR DIET, diabetes can be avoided. I underlined that part specifically because you seem to not be able to read what I say.

I said different people can eat differing amounts of sugar. I pointed out how Asians are generally more susceptible to sugar. If you have pre-diabetes, you are obviously eating too much sugar.

Look, you can't just keep reframing the same statement in different ways and pretend you're answering anything.

How much sugar is "constantly eating too much sugar"?



Firstly, different people will have different susceptibility to insulin resistance. Secondly, insulin resistance is not diabetes.



Can I give you some advice? Don't do this. There is no way that paper is not a shitshow in terms of any useful point you want to make here. It is not going to end well for you if you press this point.



It's clearly not "meaningless". You are talking out of your arse.

It is in fact a relationship very similar in concept to that of sugar intake and insulin resistance. People will have different susceptibilities.



No, I said mechanisms, so I'd send you a paper linking saturated fatty acids to activation of Toll-like receptors and increased levels of pro-inflammatory markers / mediators such as (if I remember rightly) C-reactive protein and NFkB (that "k" should really be a kappa, btw.)



Firstly, vitamins are a key part of diet. Secondly, you just said doing the opposite of the government recommendations as healthy eating, you didn't specify an area.
It varies from person to person.

Yeah, that's why it can take decades to get diabetes.

Same with any paper that you provide me, that's the point. You keep referencing things that I know the only studies on them are a shitshow.

It's the quality of your cholesterol, not the amount of it that matters. You can literally hack a cholesterol test if you are getting one that will increase or lower the cost of your insurance for example.

Where's this paper?

Uhh... the foods they tell you to eat and not eat. The original food pyramid was upside down in essence. For example, the CDC link I sent you is telling people to eat less healthy dairy foods, is telling people saturated fats are bad, is telling people cholesterol in food is bad (dietary cholesterol has no impact on your own cholesterol).
 

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And where are these people that are immune to insulin resistance?
Insulin resistance =/= diabetes. This question is an attempt to shift the goalposts.

IF THEY CHANGE THEIR DIET, diabetes can be avoided. I underlined that part specifically because you seem to not be able to read what I say.
So your assumption is that the entirety of those >85% of prediabetes sufferers who don't develop diabetes have all significantly changed their diet? Do you have any evidence? What a silly question.

I said different people can eat differing amounts of sugar. I pointed out how Asians are generally more susceptible to sugar. If you have pre-diabetes, you are obviously eating too much sugar.
And yet you think there's a point at which the risk reaches 100% regardless. What is that point-- *how much sugar*?
 

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Insulin resistance =/= diabetes. This question is an attempt to shift the goalposts.



So your assumption is that the entirety of those >85% of prediabetes sufferers who don't develop diabetes have all significantly changed their diet? Do you have any evidence? What a silly question.



And yet you think there's a point at which the risk reaches 100% regardless. What is that point-- *how much sugar*?
Nope, goalpost not shifted
If your cells become too resistant to insulin, it leads to elevated blood glucose levels (hyperglycemia), which, over time, leads to prediabetes and Type 2 diabetes

Again do you have evidence of people eating tons of sugar and somehow not developing diabetes? Or people immune to insulin resistance.

If you continue on the path, yes.
 

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It varies from person to person.

Yeah, that's why it can take decades to get diabetes.
So answer the question. How much sugar consumption guarantees diabetes?

Same with any paper that you provide me, that's the point. You keep referencing things that I know the only studies on them are a shitshow.

It's the quality of your cholesterol, not the amount of it that matters.
Okay, let's stop here. You know how I know that you know very little about science? It's because you write shit like that. What does it even mean to have better "quality" cholesterol? Utter, utter gibberish. Do you mean HDL / LDL ? Do you even understand what HDL and LDL are? I mean, it's really hard to believe that you do if you can't even use a bit of proper terminology. And even though you write this embarrassing wellness level claptrap you big yourself up and act like you've got the faintest idea about scientific papers.

You're questioning me on saturated fats and TLRs asking for "this paper", but this area of research has been around a decade, maybe more. There are dozens of papers. Dozens of papers you are apparently completely ignorant of because you've never even heard of it all... but think you can tell me are a shitshow!

This is genuinely some of the most embarrassingly unhinged nonsense you have ever come out with.
 

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Nope, goalpost not shifted
If your cells become too resistant to insulin, it leads to elevated blood glucose levels (hyperglycemia), which, over time, leads to prediabetes and Type 2 diabetes
That's (quite obviously) not the same thing. You originally just said that 'people' were eating so much sugar as to give themselves a 100% chance of diabetes. You then later introduced the additional condition about prediabetes.

Again do you have evidence of people eating tons of sugar and somehow not developing diabetes? Or people immune to insulin resistance.
Yes. As I've said. 85%+ of people with prediabetes do not develop diabetes.

How much sugar leads to a 100% chance? You said there was such a chance. How much sugar? How many people eat that much?
 

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So answer the question. How much sugar consumption guarantees diabetes?



Okay, let's stop here. You know how I know that you know very little about science? It's because you write shit like that. What does it even mean to have better "quality" cholesterol? Utter, utter gibberish. Do you mean HDL / LDL ? Do you even understand what HDL and LDL are? I mean, it's really hard to believe that you do if you can't even use a bit of proper terminology. And even though you write this embarrassing wellness level claptrap you big yourself up and act like you've got the faintest idea about scientific papers.

You're questioning me on saturated fats and TLRs asking for "this paper", but this area of research has been around a decade, maybe more. There are dozens of papers. Dozens of papers you are apparently completely ignorant of because you've never even heard of it all... but think you can tell me are a shitshow!

This is genuinely some of the most embarrassingly unhinged nonsense you have ever come out with.
The amount that leads to pre-diabetes...

Stop talking down to me like I don't know anything. I'm not the one that came up with the quality of cholesterol is more important than the amount (that's a direct quote from a doctor). No, I don't mean HDL or LDL and LDL isn't bad cholesterol. For example, if a regular doctor saw the following change in cholesterol levels, they would freak out but the right side is better than the left side. The amount doesn't really matter.
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Then provide a paper about saturated fat that isn't associative / correlation.

That's (quite obviously) not the same thing. You originally just said that 'people' were eating so much sugar as to give themselves a 100% chance of diabetes. You then later introduced the additional condition about prediabetes.



Yes. As I've said. 85%+ of people with prediabetes do not develop diabetes.

How much sugar leads to a 100% chance? You said there was such a chance. How much sugar? How many people eat that much?
What are you talking about? You eat too much sugar and continue, you get insulin resistance, then you get pre-diabetes, then you get diabetes. That's how it works. You can change your diet to not continue on the path.

Your light mode screenshots hurt my soul every time.
I don't understand why people use dark mode when you go and open something like Control Panel and it's then bright white, there's so much in Windows that isn't available in dark mode and it's rather inconsistent.
 

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The amount that leads to pre-diabetes...
No, try again. Prediabetes is not diabetes. How much sugar causes a 100% chance of diabetes?

Stop talking down to me like I don't know anything.
I'll stop talking down to you when you deserve it. And that means either when you really know what you are talking about, or when you stop acting like you know what you're talking about when you plainly don't.

I'm not the one that came up with the quality of cholesterol is more important than the amount (that's a direct quote from a doctor).
But you evidently don't know what he meant by that. Which means you don't understand the subject. So you absolutely should not be telling everyone you know the state of research and how good any studies are on the subject when you are implicitly telling us you don't know anything about them.

It's not a crime to say that you don't know.

No, I don't mean HDL or LDL and LDL isn't bad cholesterol. For example, if a regular doctor saw the following change in cholesterol levels, they would freak out but the right side is better than the left side. The amount doesn't really matter.
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Why would a "regular doctor" freak out about that? Both sides indicate cholesterol within safe guidelines.

Then provide a paper about saturated fat that isn't associative / correlation.
Fuck that. Seriously. You are disgustingly disrespectful to make that sort of demand of others when you refuse to back up your own claims despite requests. I'm not wasting a minute of my time for someone so lacking in courtesy. And besides, the fact you can't find them yourself pretty much proves the point you've got no idea what you're talking about anyway because none of the YouTubers you follow have covered it.
 

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What are you talking about? You eat too much sugar and continue, you get insulin resistance, then you get pre-diabetes, then you get diabetes. That's how it works. You can change your diet to not continue on the path.
How much for a 100% chance? Where's a single grain of evidence? Most people with prediabetes *don't develop diabetes*.
 

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No, try again. Prediabetes is not diabetes. How much sugar causes a 100% chance of diabetes?



I'll stop talking down to you when you deserve it. And that means either when you really know what you are talking about, or when you stop acting like you know what you're talking about when you plainly don't.



But you evidently don't know what he meant by that. Which means you don't understand the subject. So you absolutely should not be telling everyone you know the state of research and how good any studies are on the subject when you are implicitly telling us you don't know anything about them.

It's not a crime to say that you don't know.



Why would a "regular doctor" freak out about that? Both sides indicate cholesterol within safe guidelines.



Fuck that. Seriously. You are disgustingly disrespectful to make that sort of demand of others when you refuse to back up your own claims despite requests. I'm not wasting a minute of my time for someone so lacking in courtesy. And besides, the fact you can't find them yourself pretty much proves the point you've got no idea what you're talking about anyway because none of the YouTubers you follow have covered it.
Then eat enough sugar to get prediabetes and continue with the same diet and see if you get diabetes.

I do know what he meant by it. You can have high LDL with nothing wrong with it and you can have low LDL that is bad LDL. It's the quality of the cholesterol, oxidized LDL is bad.

The right side would have a doctor freaking out and putting you on statins. Here's the "guidelines" for good/bad cholesterol levels
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YOU SAID saturated fats cause inflammation, not me. It's not on me to prove anything. You can't just say things with no proof.

How much for a 100% chance? Where's a single grain of evidence? Most people with prediabetes *don't develop diabetes*.
Again, are there people immune to insulin resistance?

Also, that's not true.
According to an ADA expert panel, up to 70% of individuals with prediabetes will eventually develop diabetes.
 

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Again, are there people immune to insulin resistance?
Shifted goalpost. Insulin resistance =/= simply not getting diabetes.

Also, that's not true.
According to an ADA expert panel, up to 70% of individuals with prediabetes will eventually develop diabetes.
Hmm, eventually-- the annual conversion rate there is 5-10%.

But regardless, the main point I was making is borne out by your own source as well: not everyone who has prediabetes will progress to diabetes.

Still waiting for that evidence BTW.
 

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Shifted goalpost. Insulin resistance =/= simply not getting diabetes.



Hmm, eventually-- the annual conversion rate there is 5-10%.

But regardless, the main point I was making is borne out by your own source as well: not everyone who has prediabetes will progress to diabetes.

Still waiting for that evidence BTW.
If you eat enough sugar to get insulin resistance, and don't change your diet, you will eventually get diabetes.

Yeah, it can take decades. Still waiting for you to find me someone immune to insulin resistance.
 

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You can't just say things with no proof.
Well in that case you can provide the proof of how much sugar someone needs to eat for a 100% chance of diabetes. (Or, admit you don't actually know and there's no evidence of what it might be and retract your claim.)

When you actually pony up some relevant evidence, I will. Or you can just talk round it another 15 years to avoid the fact you done fucked up.
 

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I don't understand why people use dark mode when you go and open something like Control Panel and it's then bright white, there's so much in Windows that isn't available in dark mode and it's rather inconsistent.
How often do you open the control panel?
 

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If you eat enough sugar to get insulin resistance, and don't change your diet, you will eventually get diabetes.
I'm not going to deal with separate, new claims until you substantiate your original one. How much sugar gives a 100% risk? Can I get a source?

Yeah, it can take decades. Still waiting for you to find me someone immune to insulin resistance.
You can wait forever. Never claimed that, it's a different claim altogether.
 

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Well in that case you can provide the proof of how much sugar someone needs to eat for a 100% chance of diabetes. (Or, admit you don't actually know and there's no evidence of what it might be and retract your claim.)

When you actually pony up some relevant evidence, I will. Or you can just talk round it another 15 years to avoid the fact you done fucked up.
It's basic knowledge and common sense that if you eat so much sugar to get insulin resistance or prediabetes, you will get diabetes if you don't change your diet. You think what I'm saying is silly. But what is actually sillier, me saying what I said or your doctor diagnosing you with prediabetes and you saying you'll continue eating the same amount of sugar you're currently eating because most people with prediabetes don't get diabetes (Silvanus' argument)? You think you're doctor would actually agree with that conclusion?

You have no evidence that saturated fat causes inflammation. You also said cholesterol is bad without any evidence as well. You're just regurgitating the flawed and unproven hypothesis of Ancel Keys.

How often do you open the control panel?
A ton since I'm IT. I also prefer normal mode anyway though, I totally don't understand why people prefer dark mode.

I'm not going to deal with separate, new claims until you substantiate your original one. How much sugar gives a 100% risk? Can I get a source?



You can wait forever. Never claimed that, it's a different claim altogether.
I never claimed to know how much sugar?

No it's not, the only way one can eat a lot of sugar without getting diabetes is if they have immunity to insulin resistance.