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crimson5pheonix

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I mean, sure, but is that because of an unwillingness to support dictatorships, or is that because there aren't many dictatorships left in Africa?
It's because the majority of African dictatorships were set up by the West, specifically for economic coercion, usually going hand in hand with IMF demands of economic liberalization as a condition for loan repayment. Something China doesn't do over there.

Are we limiting this conversation to Africa only still? Because China has very much done all of those. It just hasn't had the reach to do so outside of East Asia yet (something which these B&R projects might change).
Yes, this conversation has always been limited (at least on my end) to Africa.
 

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Are we limiting this conversation to Africa only still? Because China has very much done all of those. It just hasn't had the reach to do so outside of East Asia yet (something which these B&R projects might change).
China is very busy in South East Asia and the South and Central Pacific regions. Lots of foreign aid and investment flowing... and, for the browning of trousers in certain halls of power, starting to negotiate naval basing agreements.
 

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"Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) led a group of all senators representing the Gulf of Maine in a letter Wednesday asking the Biden administration to thoroughly research the impact of planned offshore wind power projects on local economies."

"King was joined on the bipartisan letter by Sens. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.)."

Impact on local economies(excuses not to do it)

I love how Markey and Warren think climate change is a priority, except when it's in their backyard state and region. I also find it funny that some progressives are literally too progressive for wind power. I guess Warren has something in common with DJT.
 

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Is the man actually an Uyghur or is he a descendent of one? There is a difference between someone being a member of a ethno-cultural group and being descended from a member of said ethno-cultural group (or just straight up choosing to leave the group even if previously a member).

We see similar things in the US all the time. Let's take native americans, for example. Someone may have a traditional native american last name and even have great-grandparents that lived on a reservation, but they grew up in the Bronx and aren't even an official member of their grandparents' tribe. If the person no longer identifies as a native american because it constitutes, per the example, 25% or less of their genetic history, who would we be to contradict them?
 

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Is the man actually an Uyghur or is he a descendent of one?
Dinigeer Yilamujiang is a young woman.

There is a difference between someone being a member of a ethno-cultural group and being descended from a member of said ethno-cultural group (or just straight up choosing to leave the group even if previously a member).

We see similar things in the US all the time. Let's take native americans, for example. Someone may have a traditional native american last name and even have great-grandparents that lived on a reservation, but they grew up in the Bronx and aren't even an official member of their grandparents' tribe. If the person no longer identifies as a native american because it constitutes, per the example, 25% or less of their genetic history, who would we be to contradict them?
Are Uyghurs that live in cities not enough of a museum exhibit for you?
 

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Wait excuse me? Are you implying the IMF was out of Africa 20 years ago and the West wasn't meddling in the continent over development and exploitation? The IMF is still meddling in Africa to this day trying to get them to become "economically liberal", which is all the code phrases you need for "installing autocrats who run slave mines".
Certainly not. I would just point out that about 20 years ago, with some concerted debt relief plans, the average debt of sub-Saharan African countries was reduced by over half, which was a huge win. Regional debt started going up again a lot recently... and the rush of Chinese loans is not coincidental.

The logic behind Chinese investment is no different from the West. Pump in money, secure political support and powerful economic interests over important resources (China has of course focused on resource-rich countries). China is remarkably unbothered by the morality of who it invests in, but that means China is helping prop up a number of awesome scumbags... just like the West ever did. Where China is arguably safer is that China's ability to intervene is more limited by the fact it has no established power and influence to really screw with these places. But that ability to screw with African countries is precisely what it's buying, right now. Inasmuch as one can argue that an army amassing on the border prior to invasion is better than actually being invaded, sure, China's looking a good deal... right up until the invasion happens.
 

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Certainly not. I would just point out that about 20 years ago, with some concerted debt relief plans, the average debt of sub-Saharan African countries was reduced by over half, which was a huge win. Regional debt started going up again a lot recently... and the rush of Chinese loans is not coincidental.

The logic behind Chinese investment is no different from the West. Pump in money, secure political support and powerful economic interests over important resources (China has of course focused on resource-rich countries). China is remarkably unbothered by the morality of who it invests in, but that means China is helping prop up a number of awesome scumbags... just like the West ever did. Where China is arguably safer is that China's ability to intervene is more limited by the fact it has no established power and influence to really screw with these places. But that ability to screw with African countries is precisely what it's buying, right now. Inasmuch as one can argue that an army amassing on the border prior to invasion is better than actually being invaded, sure, China's looking a good deal... right up until the invasion happens.
Well as the west is that invading army and the need to pump in money has subsided because they took control of the continent, yes precisely. China is right now the objectively better investor.
 

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Ron Pearlman advocates for succession.

Funny when any republican suggested this before they got massively piled on by the woke lot about how stupid they all were etc etc. But when it's a person on the woke side calling for it there's been crickets.
 

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Ron Pearlman advocates for succession.

Funny when any republican suggested this before they got massively piled on by the woke lot about how stupid they all were etc etc. But when it's a person on the woke side calling for it there's been crickets.
You do realize there is a difference between an actor saying something potentially treasonous and a politician with the actual power to do so say the same thing? Not that I agree with Perlman at all on this, just pointing out a rationale for the dissonance.
 

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Ron Pearlman advocates for succession.

Funny when any republican suggested this before they got massively piled on by the woke lot about how stupid they all were etc etc. But when it's a person on the woke side calling for it there's been crickets.
If Gary Oldman (random conservative actor) had said something similar, it would get the same response (a general "ok then..."). Your persecution complex does not shape reality.
 
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Ron Pearlman advocates for succession.

Funny when any republican suggested this before they got massively piled on by the woke lot about how stupid they all were etc etc. But when it's a person on the woke side calling for it there's been crickets.
First of all it secession. Second of all, my (very charitable) read is that he probably means just packing up and leaving. Thirdly, Ron Perlman is a superlative actor who’s work I adore but his statement here is weapons grade stupid and worthy only of an eye roll. And fourth, I’d say there’s a substantive difference in a well heeled lefty in the entertainment sector saying something this stupid and anyone - left or right - in a position of actual political power saying it.

As for crickets, here’s my contribution: he’s said something fucking dumb and with luck Bruce Willis or Adam Baldwin will mock him mercilessly for it on celebrity Twitter.
 
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In a certain sense, given that Bezos is paying for it, I don't mind too much: after all, he's creating salaried work. (I also hope he's being billed for any wider travel disruption due to the bridge being taken out of action.)

Where I do think he deserves to be pelted with eggs is that this sort of bullshit exemplifies just how divorced from people's daily life insanely rich people become that they just think to upend stuff at it suits them. Maybe just don't take your superyacht down a waterway that's not designed for it, like everyone else?