Fuschia OS: Why It's Completely Redundant

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If you haven't heard, Google's making a new as of yet unannounced OS. Keep in mind, this is not Android or a derivative of Android or even a fork of the Linux kernel. This is a completely written from scratch OS that Google is using to do... Something.

But what? Windows already does most everything people want it to. Android already satisfies the mobile market nicely. Linux on the whole does everything else Windows can't or won't do which, let's be honest, isn't much. Furthermore, Google will have to worry about compatibility. There's a Windows version for literally any computer made as long as it's made around 1992 or beyond. And while they don't need to worry about supporting ancient machines at all, that's still an absolute TON of computers and accessories to support. Linux can do it simply because they had a big head start and a bunch of people behind them. Microsoft has had and right now has a ton of resources to do it (plus a bunch of time as well).

Will it be faster? Windows 10 (besides RAM usage) is, believe it or not, already pretty light on resource usage, considering how much hardware and features it supports now. And again, for everything else, there's Linux which can run even lighter than Windows at the expense of some functionality that you can choose.

Will it be more compatible with stuff? It'd take a serious FEAT of engineering to surpass Linux and Window's years of work that has gone into their drivers and code. And even then, I don't think that'll be enough to make people switch.

Will it make things easier? Windows and Linux have gotten to the point where any idiot can do what they want quickly and painlessly. Well, with Linux it depends on the distro, but you get what I mean. All I have to do to play my music is open the Start menu, open my folder, go to the Music folder, and boom. I'm there. Plus, Windows allows me to easily sort my files by whatever the hell I want. And it has a quick and dirty search function. Linux also has all this functionality plus an insanely powerful CLI. If I wanna play a game, I click on the Steam icon in the task bar, and I choose what I want on the recent games list. Or I just click Library for a full list. If I wanna browse the internet, I hit the Start button and click on Chrome.

Will it be more secure? Linux in it's vanilla form is pretty damn secure, and if you get some of the more hardened distros, it's nigh impenetrable. And Windows 10 actually isn't far off from Linux at all now. AND both get constant security updates. Now, are they both completely untouchable? No. Not at all, but it's as secure as you're gonna get. And in any case, most users don't need or will ever need that amount of security at all.

Will it be cheaper? Linux is free and will always be. Windows is preloaded onto almost every major computer you can buy these days so you technically don't need to pay for it.

All in all, I can see pretty much no advantage Fuschia could possibly bring to the table.
 
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Lets see, name is impossible to pronounce, and impossible to spell.

Yeah, I don't see it going anywhere.

The only thing I can think of is that it could possibly replace Android and Chrome OS in the far future.
 

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I don said:
Lets see, name is impossible to pronounce, and impossible to spell.

Yeah, I don't see it going anywhere.

The only thing I can think of is that it could possibly replace Android and Chrome OS in the far future.
Fuschia is impossible to pronounce? It's a common flower name.
 

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Just maybe Google will be able to compete with Microsoft with this OS. We are kinda primed for an OS to dethrone Windows that does start on mobile because of the massive shift to mobile devices. Get people used to and comfortable with a mobile OS since everyone has such devices nowadays, then put it on desktops/laptops. Microsoft has stumbled with trying to bring Windows to mobile with both Windows phones and Windows 10 Mobile so the door is definitely open for a possible massive shift in the OS market. Of course, it will not be easy for Google or anyone to pull this off as you'll have to make a damn good product along with rolling out an OS at just the right time with the right marketing along with having good enough market penetration of your own hardware (Pixel, Pixelbook, etc.) for this to all work. I think it's not at all a bad gamble on Google's part because I could see this OS having a decent shot at overtaking Android in mobile market (that would still be a win for Google) but Windows will be a whole other thing that Google will probably have to roll a 20 on to make that a reality. Though, if Google were to basically take out Microsoft, the upside is just ridiculously massive with 'ridiculously massive' being itself a massive understatement.
 
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EscapistAccount said:
Fuschia is impossible to pronounce? It's a common flower name.
I had never heard of Fuschia before until now. I don't know anything about flowers anyways.

Also apparently its "Fuchsia" and not "Fuschia" as OP spelled. Absolutely maddening.
 

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I don said:
EscapistAccount said:
Fuschia is impossible to pronounce? It's a common flower name.
I had never heard of Fuschia before until now. I don't know anything about flowers anyways.

Also apparently its "Fuchsia" and not "Fuschia" as OP spelled. Absolutely maddening.
It's also a color, kind of a hot pink. Pretty common word.
 

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I'm a developer who runs Docker on a Macbook Pro. I'm not a huge fan of Mac and even less of the direction newer iteration of Macbook has been heading.

I have tried to use Linux with Docker but running my local environment in it has been a time consuming nightmare.

If Google can bring a unix based OS and bring a heavy competition against Macbook Pro without adopting Apple's bullshit practices, I'm all for it.
 

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Windows sucks, but Linux is too much crap to learn for most people and at most levels is heavily DIY dependent. All Google needs to do is release an OS without 10's built-in spyware, with a suite of default programs that don't suck ass like MS's do, and have an easy set up for converting Windows programs, and at the very least they may knock MS out of its complacency.

It's probably not gonna be that good though.
 

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You forgot one of the most important questions;

Does Google plan to distribute this as an actual product for the market?
No clue as of yet.

And that's pretty much all one needs to ask.
 

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bluegate said:
You forgot one of the most important questions;

Does Google plan to distribute this as an actual product for the market?
No clue as of yet.

And that's pretty much all one needs to ask.
It has a github repo meaning it's open for people download.

SupahEwok said:
Windows sucks, but Linux is too much crap to learn for most people and at most levels is heavily DIY dependent. All Google needs to do is release an OS without 10's built-in spyware, with a suite of default programs that don't suck ass like MS's do, and have an easy set up for converting Windows programs, and at the very least they may knock MS out of its complacency.

It's probably not gonna be that good though.
I honestly give Microsoft a lot of credit for its contribution to the open source. VSCode is my favorite editor today. It's Apple with the complacency issues.
 

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mysecondlife said:
If Google can bring a unix based OS and bring a heavy competition against Macbook Pro without adopting Apple's bullshit practices, I'm all for it.
Why don't you just use Windows?

SupahEwok said:
Windows sucks, but Linux is too much crap to learn for most people and at most levels is heavily DIY dependent. All Google needs to do is release an OS without 10's built-in spyware, with a suite of default programs that don't suck ass like MS's do, and have an easy set up for converting Windows programs, and at the very least they may knock MS out of its complacency.

It's probably not gonna be that good though.
Linux can be super easy to just pick up and use, depending on your distro. As to "spyware", Windows 7 has the same "spyware" that Windows 10 does. And you can't turn it off as easily. Programs, there's some tried and true ones that people are gonna continue using probably regardless of what Google ships with its OS simply because they already work so well.
 

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Arnoxthe1 said:
mysecondlife said:
If Google can bring a unix based OS and bring a heavy competition against Macbook Pro without adopting Apple's bullshit practices, I'm all for it.
Why don't you just use Windows?
I've had less luck running my local environment with Docker with Windows than I did with Linux. It's work + cultural thing as well. Everyone in my company uses a Mac. If something goes wrong with one of our local environment, having same OS to help troubleshoot is lot easier. Also, 99.9% of developers I come across uses Mac.

Also, I use Windows.. just not for my development work.
 

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mysecondlife said:
I've had less luck running my local environment with Docker with Windows than I did with Linux. It's work + cultural thing as well. Everyone in my company uses a Mac. If something goes wrong with one of our local environment, having same OS to help troubleshoot is lot easier. Also, 99.9% of developers I come across uses Mac.

Also, I use Windows.. just not for my development work.
Oh I see. Yeah, Windows best serves as an all-in-one media center OS in my opinion.
 

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mysecondlife said:
bluegate said:
You forgot one of the most important questions;

Does Google plan to distribute this as an actual product for the market?
No clue as of yet.

And that's pretty much all one needs to ask.
It has a github repo meaning it's open for people download.
Yeah, but this is Google we're talking about, until they actually unveil it as a proper product that they are going to distribute, I'm going to treat it as just another one of Google's internal hobby projects which happens to be on a public github.

Although their instructions on how to get it on a pixel did help a bit.
 

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What I'm reading about Fucshia seems very interesting, though.
It looks like it'll have a very deep integration with Google Assistant and should manage multiple devices.

mysecondlife said:
Arnoxthe1 said:
mysecondlife said:
If Google can bring a unix based OS and bring a heavy competition against Macbook Pro without adopting Apple's bullshit practices, I'm all for it.
Why don't you just use Windows?
I've had less luck running my local environment with Docker with Windows than I did with Linux. It's work + cultural thing as well. Everyone in my company uses a Mac. If something goes wrong with one of our local environment, having same OS to help troubleshoot is lot easier. Also, 99.9% of developers I come across uses Mac.

Also, I use Windows.. just not for my development work.
Docker seems to work fine on Windows 10 (I'm using it mainly for cross-compiling). It used to have some trouble where it sometimes would fail to start with Windows and you'd have tell it to restart, but I haven't noticed that lately, so I think a recent patch may have fixed that.
 

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bluegate said:
mysecondlife said:
bluegate said:
You forgot one of the most important questions;

Does Google plan to distribute this as an actual product for the market?
No clue as of yet.

And that's pretty much all one needs to ask.
It has a github repo meaning it's open for people download.
Yeah, but this is Google we're talking about, until they actually unveil it as a proper product that they are going to distribute, I'm going to treat it as just another one of Google's internal hobby projects which happens to be on a public github.

Although their instructions on how to get it on a pixel did help a bit.
OK.
More I read, more I get that Google intends replace Android with Fuschia. I don't expect it to make it to the market until 5 years from now. (I admit I'm just guessing at this point).


Lazy Kitty said:
What I'm reading about Fucshia seems very interesting, though.
It looks like it'll have a very deep integration with Google Assistant and should manage multiple devices.

mysecondlife said:
Arnoxthe1 said:
mysecondlife said:
If Google can bring a unix based OS and bring a heavy competition against Macbook Pro without adopting Apple's bullshit practices, I'm all for it.
Why don't you just use Windows?
I've had less luck running my local environment with Docker with Windows than I did with Linux. It's work + cultural thing as well. Everyone in my company uses a Mac. If something goes wrong with one of our local environment, having same OS to help troubleshoot is lot easier. Also, 99.9% of developers I come across uses Mac.

Also, I use Windows.. just not for my development work.
Docker seems to work fine on Windows 10 (I'm using it mainly for cross-compiling). It used to have some trouble where it sometimes would fail to start with Windows and you'd have tell it to restart, but I haven't noticed that lately, so I think a recent patch may have fixed that.
It's not really that.. For the project I'm running, Windows always complains that I lack ram for it while Mac and Linux with less rams have ran Docker fine.
 

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Maybe you tech types can help bring it down to a performance level for me. I'm in research and I want an OS that can juggle the various programs for sample data algorithms implementing things like Pearson's r and the like. Also for it to handle autoplotting visual aids of information into reports and for lateral use into presentation slideshows.

My mini laptop does this fairly well for ease of use and carry, but it chugs.

Will this Fuschia OS be better for total processing power? Running lighter on resources while still being able to run the plethora of specialist programs I need? I know next to fuck all about computers. I'm as the OP would say, one of those idiots that likes being able to click on somethimg and not have to worry. I don't want to spend hours configuring a machine to get it to do what I need it to do.

Is Fuschia going to tap into that market of computer idiots needing lighter running OS that can still handle a plethora of functions? Will it provide comparable or better performance for easy portable minilaptops every student and researcher slips into their tote bags? Because as I see it... if it's not cheaper, if it's not as easy to use, if it's not as receptive to obscure (ish) programs you need it to run... is there any apparent strongpoints to it as an OS?
 

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mysecondlife said:
I'm a developer who runs Docker on a Macbook Pro. I'm not a huge fan of Mac and even less of the direction newer iteration of Macbook has been heading.

I have tried to use Linux with Docker but running my local environment in it has been a time consuming nightmare.

If Google can bring a unix based OS and bring a heavy competition against Macbook Pro without adopting Apple's bullshit practices, I'm all for it.
Explain?
 

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it'll have a very deep integration with Google Assistant and should manage multiple devices.
I don't care about Google Assistant (Or Siri. Or Cortana.) but an OS that quickly and conveniently manages other devices connected to it on the same network? That might be interesting. Still though. Microsoft is already attempting the same thing and has had a huge headstart on Google.