Except that he's not saying it as an insult because Valve has been saying since well before Windows 8 released that they think open operating systems are good for consumers and software developers, and that they vehemently oppose an OS that has the potential to lock people out of developing for it. You can take it as an insult, but he's really just saying they're not going to be evil overlords telling people what they can and can't make for the Steam OS. Want to develop a competing game storefront to Steam for it? Fill your boots.Exterminas said:
Gabe Newell Opens the Door To Origin On SteamOS
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Umm no, there are no doors being "opened" because there has never been a closed door in the first place.
"Steam OS" is linux with some makeup on it.
If there were any "closed doors", that would be a huge minus for steam boxes since they would essentially be crippled pcs, why even bother with that.
I bloody well better be able to do put anything on that pc without valve pulling a sony and retroactively patching that out because ohnoespiracy and I don't even think making it all closed and apple-y is an option if they want to compete with consoles since the openness of pcs combined with the ease to use of consoles is their only selling point imo.
"Steam OS" is linux with some makeup on it.
If there were any "closed doors", that would be a huge minus for steam boxes since they would essentially be crippled pcs, why even bother with that.
I bloody well better be able to do put anything on that pc without valve pulling a sony and retroactively patching that out because ohnoespiracy and I don't even think making it all closed and apple-y is an option if they want to compete with consoles since the openness of pcs combined with the ease to use of consoles is their only selling point imo.
If I didn't feel like Valve was acting like EA on many issues I might give this a try, but I rather just stick with a Windows OS instead of dealing with having to stream my games or not have the available to me. If their catalog eventually gets big enough I will give it another look.
I really don't understand why people side with either EA or Valve, for they both are acting like children with not having EA's games on Steam anymore. EA wants to sell their DLC their way and Valve is telling them if they don't do it their way they are removing them from their service.
I really don't understand why people side with either EA or Valve, for they both are acting like children with not having EA's games on Steam anymore. EA wants to sell their DLC their way and Valve is telling them if they don't do it their way they are removing them from their service.
EA's excuse at the time was bs anyway, because they ended up having sales too. They just cited that excuse to avoid having to say that they really just want exclusive control over their games and the people who play them*...but they'll never admit anything like that.
*as in, actually controlling those people, not just who gets to play
*as in, actually controlling those people, not just who gets to play
Putting Origin on a Steam Machine would be like playing NES on a 1080p high-def 3d tv... Its possible, but why would you?
I'm not convinced that that analogy ended up as clever as I had originally intended.
I'm not convinced that that analogy ended up as clever as I had originally intended.
Has not bought an ea sports title since oh god 1998? 2001? maybe did not own any for ps3 at all, and i tended to get them for pc vs consoles after a point and when thy went over they ported the ps2 game to pc so meh.
2k all way and if they dont put it out because EA is sitting on the license, meh. burn EA.
Only EA related titles i have bought were bioware, and that burns my craw to this day.
I put my wallet where my hate is
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2k all way and if they dont put it out because EA is sitting on the license, meh. burn EA.
Only EA related titles i have bought were bioware, and that burns my craw to this day.
I put my wallet where my hate is
.
The thing is Valve can't really stop anyone from releasing software for their new OS and they really do want an open system that allows this sorta thing. The GNU Linux license states that Valve must release the source code for their Linux distro to anyone who wants it. They don't have to do squat about their Steam client running on Linux and should keep it secret for security reasons, but Steam OS is just another distro with a dedicated focus. If you know your way around Linux you could have Steam OS running the Steam Client while editing a picture in GIMP and surfing the web in Firefox or Konqueror.
I'll be honest I hate EA and outright boycott anything they make, and I think origin is shit, but honestly some people do play some EA games and require origin, so I think its good to see the Steam OS being tailored to work with other games outside of steam, since this can make the Steam OS a direct competitor to other OS's,
one of my biggest fears is most games outside of steam or, non game programs won't work on the Steam OS at all, and that might be a huge barrier for some people, including me
one of my biggest fears is most games outside of steam or, non game programs won't work on the Steam OS at all, and that might be a huge barrier for some people, including me
... You mean, why wouldn't you?martyrdrebel27 said:
Right?
OT: I still think what Gabe said has merit...
I mean, the SteamOS is based off linux...
And how many of EA's games have actually been ported to Linux?
The Sims maybe?
I don't know, it's not something I know off the top of my head...
But seriously, EA are TRYING to fix some of their more glaring issues, they have been trying for a while now... Sure, they're not very good at it...
*sigh*
I don't know why people wish EA didn't exist...
I mean, that'd be asking what it would be like without Bethesda... (Or Zenimax since EA is the parent company in this example...)
I know it would just be owned by someone else but would the Elder Scrolls series still be around if Zenimax went under?
I mean, we saw what happened with THQ, and I'm surprised with what happened with them since (to my understanding) Metro, Saints Row, those sports games and the 40K games sold well enough...
Hell, think of a world without 2K games... Would Borderlands have ever existed?
Just food for thought...
But yeah, I stand by my original point of nothing noteworthy of EA that actually works on linux... (Again, no research was put into this statement, it just doesn't sound like something the company would do/has done)
You know, the whole point of Gabe's comment/example, mentioned in the article, was to illustrate the point that SteamOS will not be locked down. Aside from some custom bits (Steam client, the overlay, some drivers, some yet unfinished apps) it's just a modified Debian Linux distro and should easily run most Debian (and Ubuntu) compatible software.thewatergamer said:
Plenty of people see the Steam Machine=console comparison and make all kind of wild assumptions about the SteamOS, just like the guy Gabe was answering to on Reddit.
Aw, it hurts the relatively nice members of America when you insult their justice seeking honorable and totally not corporate run politicians...ah heck, who I am kidding? I'm American and I agree with this statement, EA is the United states government of gaming.cerebus23 said:
EA is not playing second fiddle because Valve came first, EA is losing because it's platform is worse than Steam in every regard. Yes, Origin has sales, but not nearly as many or for nearly the same discounts. Yes, Origin has social features but not nearly as developed as Steam's. Origin also has a much smaller catalog of games to begin with. The list goes on. EA has had ample time to develop Origin, it didn't come out yesterday, but they choose not to. There is a point where you have to stop considering being the 'first to market' as a advantage, that point has come for Steam.Colt47 said:
Apple made the first (popular) smartphone in 2007, Samsung came out with their own competitor in 2009. Yet with this advantage in time, Samsung is rapidly overtaking Apple. While Steam technically came out in 2003, it didn't really take its modern form as both a distributor of first and third party games as well as a community/matchmaking system, until 2008. Origin came out in 2011. I know you can't compare smartphones to distribution software, but this concept is relevant to any product or service. The 'advantage' the one who comes first holds is not as relevant as you would make it seem.
This isn't really newsworthy is it? Some idiot on Reddit might be ignorant but we all know that SteamOS is open source so there's no possible way Valve could stop EA from developing an Origin client for it right?
Furthermore Mass Effect was originally published by Microsoft, and Valve is only making SteamOS to compete with Microsoft. That's not ironic though, just interesting.A-D. said:
Judging by the amount of people who are absolutely convinced that Steam Machines will be just like consoles, with tightly controlled hardware and software, I'd say no. News like this isn't really useless, even if the headline is completely misleading.Eldritch Warlord said:
Mass Effect was always published by EA, Microsoft just paid good money to have it be exclusive on the Xbox back then, EA eventually made a PC version tho after people kept bitching about a port. Same happened with Jade Empire by the by. Also my ironic sentiment was more towards the statement i quoted rather than anything else.Eldritch Warlord said:
Microsoft isnt really a publisher, more so that any game which is by extension exclusive to its console is basicly "published by MS" even if that isnt actually true. Thats like arguing every game exclusive to the Playstation is published by Sony.
Gabe seems to have the same idea on EA that I do. essentially that EA will either realize they're slowly deconstructing the empire they've built because of bad decisions piled on top of each other or they'll willfully ignore their bad decisions and eventually implode under their bloat. We as gamers should be critical yes, but ultimately allow EA to go the way of THQ and the assets divide into other willing companies. Thats the most likely scenario.
Poor EA, you used to make such wonderful games (remember the yellow tab on Genesis carts) and now just are a shell of your former glory.
Do yourselves a favor EA, fire the marketing execs you seem to put in charge of running game development and hire ACTUAL game enthusiasts who have business experience to run your creative development. You'd definitely see a change. Like taxes, you can't just pile more transactions on thinking it will bring long-term revenue, but cutting customer costs will actually make you more money.
Poor EA, you used to make such wonderful games (remember the yellow tab on Genesis carts) and now just are a shell of your former glory.
Do yourselves a favor EA, fire the marketing execs you seem to put in charge of running game development and hire ACTUAL game enthusiasts who have business experience to run your creative development. You'd definitely see a change. Like taxes, you can't just pile more transactions on thinking it will bring long-term revenue, but cutting customer costs will actually make you more money.
Microsoft doesn't publish games you say? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Microsoft_Studios]A-D. said:
No, EA only bought BioWare two months before Mass Effect was published (by Microsoft Studios). They had nothing to do with the initial Xbox 360 release of that game. If you had the 360 version and were to boot it up you'd see the Microsoft Game Studios logo and a distinctive total absence of EA anywhere in the game.
You're right that console exclusivity doesn't necessarily mean that the console manufacturer published the game. However that is normally the case.