Game Freak Won't Let Pokemon Players Be Bad

[MajoraPersona]

Really, how many games let you play the 'bad guy'? The playable character typically has some sort of motivation. If someone just wants to catch other people's pokemon, Colosseum and XD should be enough. Otherwise, the evil plots consist of "Get lots of money" and "Get Legendary Pokemon"; things which the games readily allow.

Though, to be fair, the evil plots are decidedly straying into "Destroy the World" territory. However, when you're the strongest trainer, and can farm the Elite Four, is there any difference between you and, say, Team Plasma? After beating most trainers, they won't fight you again. In a plot about fantasy gun control, you've got nukes. You can become the champion, which is pretty much the equivalent of ruling the world. Do you really NEED to play an evil character?

 

[Rad Party God]

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DO. WANT.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

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DO. WANT.

SAME HERE!

[sub][sub]Why can't we have nice things?!?!?[/sub][/sub]

 

[icyneesan]

I wish they could do something like this but there would be so much god damn backlash that for 2 years prior to the games release and 2 years after the games release the Escapist news board would be filled with, "Another crazy parent bitches about Pokemon because you can be 'evil'" articles.

Maybe Gamefreak could just turn a blind eye to the rom hacking groups...

 

[Soviet Steve]

What kind of morality is that? The general populace enslaves sentient beings and trains them to mutilate one another for the amusement and ego of the humans involved? And the bad guys are the ones who utilize Pokemon for profits because they're not nice to other humans?

Someday I want to see a pokemon game where everyone is a little wealthy southern gentleman, and all pokemon are variations of black people. It'd be pokemon in everything but specific words and images - Then try to tell me that Team Rocket is the bad guys. They're just a couple of jerks in an ocean of evil people. >_>

Maybe I'm overthinking the kids show but the whole concept behind pokemon is just wrong on sooooo many levels.

Incidentally I do not condone slavery and I believe that the only advantage and disadvantage conferred upon people with different skincolour is that black people tend to get sunburns less often.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

But it's not very heroic to capture wild animals and force them to fight for your gain.

The wild animals don't seem to have a big problem with that, as long as you don't feed them bitter stuff. Besides, they get strong as hell and some actually evolve. If I were a pokemon I would rather be a trainer's companion than live in the wild and be a level 5 unevolved weakling (that doesn't get free health care)!

 

[rembrandtqeinstein]

The magnitude of the inconsistency in the Pokemon world is one of the things that players just accept, kids because they don't think about it and adults because it doesn't matter for the game. You just shut off your brain, don't think about it, and check your map to see where the next gym is.

Think about this one, are all the people in the pokemon world vegetarian? Are there restaurants that serve Pikachu loaf in Bulbasaur sauce?

 

[Prof. Monkeypox]

I once heard it argued that people who "enjoy" pokemon, i.e. catch they're favorites, enjoy the story, indulge in the minigames, etc. are the "good" team, while the people who breed 100 generations of one pokemon just to throw out the rejects and pick the one with the desired EVs, moveset, nature, and abilities are the "evil" team rocket types.

Makes sense to me.

 

[somonels]

You can rest easy, Game Freak will stoically oppose all attempts to evolve the franchise.

 

[Ravison]

Incidentally I do not condone slavery and I believe that the only advantage and disadvantage conferred upon people with different skincolour is that black people tend to get sunburns less often.

You forgot the naturally large feet. *cough*

 

[Prof. Monkeypox]

But it's not very heroic to capture wild animals and force them to fight for your gain.

The wild animals don't seem to have a big problem with that, as long as you don't feed them bitter stuff. Besides, they get strong as hell and some actually evolve. If I were a pokemon I would rather be a trainer's companion than live in the wild and be a level 5 unevolved weakling (that doesn't get free health care)!

I "justify" the existence of trainers using the parable of the Magikarp. In the wild, a Magikarp is a hideously weak creature at the bottom of the food chain that occasionally evolves. Under the control of a trainer, it is nearly guaranteed to become an unstoppable snake monster.

 

[busterkeatonrules]

Want to be evil in a Pokemon game? No problem! Just replay the original - and keep the following creepypasta in mind:

In the original Pokemon Red/Blue, when you encounter your rival in Lavender Town he asks whether or not you know what it's like to have one of your Pokemon die. At this point in the game, he no longer has his Raticate that he used in previous battles.

Your rival battle before this took place aboard the SS Anne. Your rival's Raticate sustained serious injuries from the battle - but, because of crowding and confusion on the luxury liner, he was unable to make it to a Pokemon center in time and the Raticate passed away.

The real reason your Rival is in Lavender Town to begin with is to lay his deceased friend to rest. Despite all of this, your rival never outwardly tells you that you?re responsible for the death of his Pokemon. He hides his grief and instead channels that energy into the motivation he needed to continue his quest to become Indigo League Champion.

The death of his Raticate effectively destroys your rival's impish, childhood innocence. Although he tells himself that he doesn't hold you responsible, he subconciously holds a great deal of resentment towards you which further fuels his ambitions. Tearfully swearing upon his Raticate's grave to not fail in what he set out to do, he trains hard in hopes of becoming better than you...defeating you... and to eventually make it to the Pokemon League. Mere moments after he became Indigo League champion, he was defeated... by you.

Although he fulfilled his promise to his fallen Pokemon, it was only for a painfully brief instant. In the end, your rival is scolded by his grandfather while you receive the professor's praise. During the course of the game, you steal your rival's innocence, crush his dreams, and ultimately snatch away the love of his own grandfather.

Oh, and by the way, your rival doesn't have any parents. He's an orphan.

 

[Someone Depressing]

Oh great. First we we were an annoying, stupid, selfish fuck-skull 10 year old.

Now we're an annoying, stupid, selfish fuck-skull 20 year old with a diving suit.

GOODIE!

I really don't see a difference. How can you change Pokemon? No-matter what, you'll always be running away from 100,000 giant birds in a muddy field because you killed their children, whether or not you're evil or whether or not you're 10, but, then again, that's what made Nintendo so famous, taking a good game, adding some stagnating features, make it worse, and sell it.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Come on Nintendo. You OK'd Conker's Bad Fur Day years back, you can surely approve of a game that's far more tame than that.

 

[WaderiAAA]

But football is entertaining to watch when they don't play fair.

 

[LeonLethality]

Playing as the villain sounds boring anyway. Who wants to play a game where it's basically pokemon, but no gym leader or elite four battling? You already steal pokemon in the gamecube games so it's nothing new.

But you're not playing fair in pokemon, you have items galore and EVs, I don't think any NPC has EVs.

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

It doesn't seem all that big to me. Maybe if you were playing a role like N in B/W it might work but I doubt we'll see it happen. In terms of morality, I'd like to be able to take a very grey approach; no fighting the Team Evil to save pokemon, but purely for the sake of capturing the Legendary to make it easy at the League...

Rather than playing the Team Evil, play as The Rival rather than the Hero

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Aww....

That would have been cool.

. If players took on the role of a character that brought the organization down from the inside, it could be a nice change from the typical Pokemon protagonist.

Hmm, where have I heard that one before...

*coughPokémonColosseumcough*

Oh, I had forggetn about that...

That was actually a really good game.

I wouldn't mind one like that if it had a pokemonn atadium like mode in it too.

 

[Mr. GameBrain]

I think a Pokemon Team Rocket game would work as a strategy game.

You would have to go and recruit members, capture buildings and territories, find and research into Pokemon.

And since the leader would be a "chosen one" type character (like a main Pokemon protagonist), I'd make it that in terms of Pokemon the organisation (and opposing organisations) doesn't have as much restriction.

I'd explain why this is by introducing a concept that a legendary Pokemon had caused a shift in reality causing the balance of good and evil to shift in evil's favour.
Once this is actually explained to the player's character, I'd then make it a choice for the player to either take advantage and conquer, (then the game would introduce "hero" characters to stop you), or try to seek redemption by trying to fix reality.

Battles would be an interesting change.
I'd make it so skirmishes would be a turned-based affair like Advanced Wars, but each trainer can be modified to a certain extent (Particular pokemon can be switched or modified in stats and levels based on a unit's class (which can be upgraded as the organisation grows)).

EDIT: But to make it clear, it wouldn't just be managing either.
You would still have to have your own pokemon team don't forget!

You could still go around catching (/stealing or buying), and training pokemon, via a disguise.
There could still be Gym battles and dungeon exploring.

However, spend too long ignoring your responsibilities, and things could start to go wrong.
Some missions could fail, (due to interference), members could go missing or abandon your team.

Its even possible that some may even try to challenge your leadership.
(Therefore being a reason to have a strong team anyway!)

In fact from the sounds of it. I think I'd rather play this game then regular Pokemon! XD