Game of Thrones Season 4 Ep 5 "First of His Name" Review - Female Power

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Kumagawa Misogi said:
As some one who hasn't read the books has all of the third book been adapted yet? I know this season includes parts from books 3-5 and was wondering if book 3 is finished with.
No, there's plenty of pretty major plot points from book 3 still to make it to the screen. If it's all going to get featured this season I think the last few episodes are going to be jam-packed.
 

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Kumagawa Misogi said:
As some one who hasn't read the books has all of the third book been adapted yet? I know this season includes parts from books 3-5 and was wondering if book 3 is finished with.[/
Kumagawa Misogi said:
As some one who hasn't read the books has all of the third book been adapted yet? I know this season includes parts from books 3-5 and was wondering if book 3 is finished with.
No its not finished and will not be finished till episode 10.
What they do is move some Plot areas of the books along a bit faster, since they have more stuff happening in the later books and they dont want to not show one area for 10 episodes and then have 10 episodes full of that area.
Or make up new plots for areas that simply dont have much going on right now (Stannis in the last season for instance)
But most of what you saw till now was the third quarter of book three and there is a whole quarter left to make episodes about :)
 

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Seemed to me that Cersei has heard the words of Tywin when he was speaking to Tommen: "The King is dead because he was a dumb asshole." Change of tactics.

The episode is more about adjusting to new realities. Your squire may not be experienced but he is a good guy, you can't go back to your brother, armor beats fancy swordplay, your new house is just another madhouse but there is no sane residents...

For the Hound and Arya, the scene played like a sadistic lesson. Like showing that Santa Claus doesn't exist by not giving gifts after the kid was good for a whole year. He really enjoyed crushing her vision.
 

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As a not-reader-of-the-books, I wish I new more about the idea of marriage in Westeros. Sansa is married to Tyrion, so how does that factor in/deter Littlefinger's desire to marry her? Would priests refuse the rite? Would she be an oathbreaker?

Littlefinger is certainly a shrewd and lewd individual, but it feels like stealing a royal bride and forcing a marriage would remove influence over the realms, not increase it.
 

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TiberiusEsuriens said:
As a not-reader-of-the-books, I wish I new more about the idea of marriage in Westeros. Sansa is married to Tyrion, so how does that factor in/deter Littlefinger's desire to marry her? Would priests refuse the rite? Would she be an oathbreaker?

Littlefinger is certainly a shrewd and lewd individual, but it feels like stealing a royal bride and forcing a marriage would remove influence over the realms, not increase it.
If Tyrion is executed for being a Kingslayer then the marriage is over.

I really can't say this episode made me feel that any woman in this show is empowered. They are struggling against a male dominated society and their main power is either their fertility or their sexuality. A few woman are making a good fist of it on their own, true. But the show is certainly not empowering to woman. If anything, it highlights how powerless and used they really are despite everything. Just like the men. Cersi, (Blonde headed cougar, yuck) is the most trapped. eternally damaged by the horrible things she has been put through in her life and determined to make the world pay some of that debt. Same with the mother of dragons. I personally see revenge and a sense of entitlement to her behaviour. She is still trapped in the cycle of violence and cruelty that she was sold into by her brother and perpetuating it. Granted, she has power. But I would argue that she is not empowered, she is trapped by the same selfish desire her brother had.

I have not read the books.
 

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TiberiusEsuriens said:
As a not-reader-of-the-books, I wish I new more about the idea of marriage in Westeros. Sansa is married to Tyrion, so how does that factor in/deter Littlefinger's desire to marry her? Would priests refuse the rite? Would she be an oathbreaker?

Littlefinger is certainly a shrewd and lewd individual, but it feels like stealing a royal bride and forcing a marriage would remove influence over the realms, not increase it.
They never had sex so their marriage hasn't been consummated. That would give a pretext for a claim they are not technically a married couple. Which was why Tywin was so insistent that they did it. I cannot recall if the television show made this as obvious as the books. It would have been last season.
 

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Legion said:
TiberiusEsuriens said:
As a not-reader-of-the-books, I wish I new more about the idea of marriage in Westeros. Sansa is married to Tyrion, so how does that factor in/deter Littlefinger's desire to marry her? Would priests refuse the rite? Would she be an oathbreaker?

Littlefinger is certainly a shrewd and lewd individual, but it feels like stealing a royal bride and forcing a marriage would remove influence over the realms, not increase it.
They never had sex so their marriage hasn't been consummated. That would give a pretext for a claim they are not technically a married couple. Which was why Tywin was so insistent that they did it. I cannot recall if the television show made this as obvious as the books. It would have been last season.
They have brought that point up in the show, but just enough to explain why Margery did not become queen after Joffrey's death. They never touched on it last season, so while it's there now, it would explain my confusion. Thanks ^.^
 

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The whole North of the Wall part was executed quite poorly.
And a second episode in a row where nothing actually happens to forward the plot at a decent speed.
Sadly that's IMHO the old GoT trap, where they take 10 hours and spend way too much precious time idling, reminding us of stuff (that doesn't have to happen if you don't lose steam in the first place, guys :( ).
 

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Really dislike how they empower and sympathize with Cersei. In the boooks she's one of the very few characters with no redeeming qualities. She's dumb, paranoid and overconfident at the same time, outright amoral, insane, and doesn't really love her children in a redeeming way. In a series where everyone is a complex character with human flaws and redeeming quality, it's nice to have one utterly despicable character in every story arc. In the books Cersei is that character in the story arc revolving around KingsLanding (after Joffery dies.
 

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I can't see how Crasters women telling Jon to burn down the hut makes them seem strong and independent, all it does is make them seem stupid. How did they survive thus far, in the wild, in the cold? Certainly not by making dumb decisions like that. What are they gonna do? Move ten paces to the left, and build a new hut? Why not keep the old one?

The whole Jon Snow storyline this season is filler. None of that stuff is of any consequence. Crasters place, burned down with no consequence. Bran having been there? Completely pointless, as it changed nothing. Locke having been sent north, having made contact with both Jon Snow, whose trust he gained, and Bran? All gone without consequence. This is the dumbest storyline I remember from this show, and it makes sense that it wasn't in the books. It seems that as good as these guys are at bringing someone elses material to the screen (and what an accomplishment it is, all in all), they really do suck at coming up with something of their own.