Indirectly correct.Pigeon_Grenade said:The Real Villain is death, and maybe winter, but mostly death
Personally, I have a really hard time believing it's going to end up being that simple. The fact that I have really deep misgivings about R'hllor doesn't help, I suppose, but even without that I think there's a lot more to The Great Other (if he even exists)/The Others than we know at the moment, and it's probably tied up with Bran's storyline somehow. Cold Hands in particular intrigues me and is what started to make me rethink the Others, but I haven't a clue what the truth might be.Angelous Wang said:The main villain is "The Great Other" the God of Death, Cold and Darkness. The antithesis to R'hollor the God of Life, Fire and Light.
Oh Bran is for sure a major player in the The Others story, his powers (well all the Starks powers) are said come from a "Child of Forest" who kidnapped a Bran "the builder"'s daughter and impregnated her, her child then became the Lord after Bran's death and all the Starks are descended from him since.Eamar said:and it's probably tied up with Bran's storyline somehow.
Not much I can really say to that other than I very much like this post and shall adopt elements of it into my own theories. ThanksAngelous Wang said:snip
This. While the White Walkers are the only beings who seems truly evil (everyone else is really just fulfilling their own personal agenda with some doing more vile things than others), Little Finger is responsible for a lot more chaos and death than people realize. If anyone wants to get an in depth idea on the magnitude of Little Finger's plotting and success, I recommend you read this gigantic post (it's a freaking essay) that covers pretty much everything Little Finger is involved in: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/51015-the-mad-genius-of-petyr-baelishGenocidicles said:Book spoilers:
The White Walkers seem to be the biggest threat for the world, but among the noble houses I would say it's Littlefinger.
He's almost singlehandedly responsible for everything that's gone down: The Murder of Jon Arryn, Catelyn's mistrust of the Lannisters, the betrayal of Ned Stark, the Tyrell/Lannister Alliance and while he isn't 100% responsible for the war of the five kings, he used it to maneuver himself to becoming one of the most powerful lords in the realm, and he's not stopping there. So I mean if it's anyone, It's probably him.
Ooh, very arguable, that. I personally don't even believe the Great Other exists, as I have yet to see any compelling evidence.Angelous Wang said:Indirectly correct.
The main villain is "The Great Other" the God of Death, Cold and Darkness. The antithesis to R'hollor the God of Life, Fire and Light.
In the religion of R'hollor they don't see him as a God though, they see him as the Devil (and have such banned the use of his real name because he have one which we do not know).
The White Walkers/Others are his servants (the actual ones who have ice skin and command the Zombies, not the zombies themselves though they call zombies that too) much like Red Priests serve R'hollor.
Their goal is simple to kill everything alive everywhere and then cover the world in ice, so that The Great Other will have control of everything and be the only God left in the world.
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:The bit when he makes Theon eat out "Arya" to get her wet so he can fuck her. What the fuck man. Then afterwards he threatens to cut off his lips. Ramsay is such an evil piece of shit, I hope the letter was a lie and Stannis fucked him up.
I just listened to one of the final chapters of book 3 and I'm pretty freaked out by the mind schtup he gave poor Sansa Stark. The dude is definitely bad news.Genocidicles said:I would say it's Littlefinger.
The Lannisters are worse: BOOK SPOILERSTaboriHK said:I'm not being facetious. I never read the books but on the show, the Starks are the cause, either directly or indirectly, of many of the deaths in the universe. Including their own in pretty much every case.BloatedGuppy said:I'm aware you are being facetious, but Robb's motivations for marrying Talissa/Jeyne were very different in-book than on-screen. Blame the idiots at HBO for that particular swap.TaboriHK said:The Starks are the villians of the series. With the exception of Ned and Arya, all of them act to destabilize the realm with their selfishness. Robb is by far the worst, especially when he meets his wife. Everything about their decisions work fine in a perfect fantasy world, which is not what they inhabit. How many people die as a direct result of the Stark family?
This is all true, and this is all fair game in this universe. This isn't a pretty place, it's ugly. I'd take Tywin as a king over Robb in a heartbeat, precisely because he appreciates the stakes, and moves very deliberately to secure power. He isn't lying about his own nature or the universe he inhabits.Shadowkire said:The Lannisters are worse: BOOK SPOILERSTaboriHK said:I'm not being facetious. I never read the books but on the show, the Starks are the cause, either directly or indirectly, of many of the deaths in the universe. Including their own in pretty much every case.BloatedGuppy said:I'm aware you are being facetious, but Robb's motivations for marrying Talissa/Jeyne were very different in-book than on-screen. Blame the idiots at HBO for that particular swap.TaboriHK said:The Starks are the villians of the series. With the exception of Ned and Arya, all of them act to destabilize the realm with their selfishness. Robb is by far the worst, especially when he meets his wife. Everything about their decisions work fine in a perfect fantasy world, which is not what they inhabit. How many people die as a direct result of the Stark family?
The worst part of it is that people are giving Jaime a pass on all the terrible crap he has done. The only thing he does to make up for any of it is realize that he is a terrible person and feel bad about some of it.1. The story begins with king Robert Baratheon going north to recruit his old friend Ned Stark to be the new hand after Jon Arryn dies at the hands of Cersei Lannister.
2. Then Bran Stark gets knocked off the old tower by Jaime Lannister.
3. Then an assassin is sent to kill Bran Stark by Joffery "100%" Lannister *SURPRISE*
These events lead to Catelyn Stark kidnapping Tyrion because she got bad info from a childhood friend.
4. Then King Robert dies, maybe because the Lannisters where giving him extra-strong alcohol with the hope that it will make him mess up while out hunting.
5. Ned Stark tries to prevent a false heir(Joffery) from taking the throne, then makes a deal for his life that Joffery breaks by ordering his execution on the spot.
That is book 1 alone.
Other highlights from the books as well as the backstory:
6. Tywin Lannister wipes out 2 different families upon coming to power as lord of the west, the tales are immortalized in song.
7. Tywin also forces Tyrion to watch as around 50 guardsmen rape his wife then forces Tyrion to do it and then Forces Jaime to lie to Tryion about her being a whore
8. Tywin waits until the eleventh hour before jumping into the last war and slaughtering as many Targaryan heirs as he can.
9. The Lannisters make deals with the [can't remember the name of the REALLY large family] that results in the Red Wedding.
10. Joffery Lannister... do I even need to point out something? Can anyone remember an event concerning Joffery where he wasn't being a prick.
11. Cersei Lannister... do I even need to point out something? Can anyone remember an event concerning Cersei where she wasn't being a prick.
Jaime Lannister is simultaneously sworn to protect the king and not have sex(or was not having kids, can't remember the specifics) then he:
12. Kills the king
13. Has sex/kids
14. Has sex/kids with his sister
Predictably I'd say it's the nobility for getting the general populace killed off in pointless wars all the time, though I'd have to admit that ice zambies seem worse.Gorfias said:I just listened to one of the final chapters of book 3 and I'm pretty freaked out by the mind schtup he gave poor Sansa Stark. The dude is definitely bad news.Genocidicles said:I would say it's Littlefinger.
Melisandra did say that the oncoming danger makes the War of 5 Kings meaningless by comparison. I think she was speaking of the White Walkers, though, she may have been speaking of an invasion by the wildings.Soviet Steve said:Predictably I'd say it's the nobility for getting the general populace killed off in pointless wars all the time, though I'd have to admit that ice zambies seem worse.Gorfias said:I just listened to one of the final chapters of book 3 and I'm pretty freaked out by the mind schtup he gave poor Sansa Stark. The dude is definitely bad news.Genocidicles said:I would say it's Littlefinger.
I do have problems with Dany. But after Littlefinger's recent game in book 3, I think he could shock us into seeing him as the penultimate villain of the series.JMac85 said:There's still two more books to get through, what we know now may not be how it remains. We've already seen multiple characters go through cycles of damnation and redemption, no reason to assume that won't continue. For all we know Dany could end up going mad like her father Aerys or Ramsay of all people becomes some big damn hero. The thing about Game Of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is there is no one protagonist or antagonist. There's a dozen stories going on all at the same time, branching off and weaving back into each other.
I'm not sure about the wildlings. They seem like they would be too disorganized to be a threat, and ice-zambies seem like you'd want everyone possible to fight against them. Speaking of wildlings their king was cesar, I need to go back and watch Rome again.Gorfias said:Melisandra did say that the oncoming danger makes the War of 5 Kings meaningless by comparison. I think she was speaking of the White Walkers, though, she may have been speaking of an invasion by the wildings.