Gamejournopro google mailing list revealed

[Officermods]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/21/GameJournoPros-we-reveal-every-journalist-on-the-list
I'd like to know your opinion on the names on the list as alot of them write for this website.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Well, they certainly are names, no denying that.

Seriously though, is it a surprise that games journalists all talk to each other? I figured it was fairly obvious.

 

[Muspelheim]

Well, they certainly are names, no denying that.

Seriously though, is it a surprise that games journalists all talk to each other? I figured it was fairly obvious.

But they're calling us mean things! And talking secrets! Send out the strike teams!

In all seriousness, nepotism and a faulty buddy-buddy system is a problem in the industry. It really is. But sending and recieving mail can't be that sinister by default, can it?

 

[Officermods]

Ignore that colluding is illegal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7RLxrsJ04&src_vid=mLNZFWR0Q8M&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1362093511 take a look at what those emails inside the group mailing looked like. http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/26565B83C18A46CFA70C4D0C47322EB6.jpg?h=361&w=640 Are you saying you are ok with this?

 

[Mezahmay]

I honestly don't see the problem with this. I also like how of all the text in there, the only one that's even remotely damning of some vague collusion between devs, PR, and games journalists was the one the one that website was so fond of throwing around. They're just framing these leaked e-mails (that are really none of our business) as some huge conspiracy to shape how games coverage is reported. Those articles are full of so many assumptions and loaded adjectives I still can't tell if this whole issue is Poe's Law taken to a logical extreme. Seriously, stuff like this:

The emails below, copied verbatim from a chain about games developer Zoe Quinn and shared with Breitbart London by a sympathetic source in the games industry, spell out in disturbing detail how gaming journalists threw objectivity out of the window and became cheerleaders for Quinn after it was revealed that she had started a sexual relationship with a journalist just days after she appeared in his reporting.

Not only did at least one of their number have sex with Quinn, but, in an astonishing breach of critical distance, games journalists can be seen in the leaked emails proposing that members of the list together to purchase her a "feel better" gift, and even a "signed letter of support." They call her ex-boyfriend, on whom Quinn cheated with five other men in the games industry, a "psychopath," asking why a VICE interview with him wasn't more hostile.

I don't understand why a couple of the emails indicating some form of sympathy for Zoe Quinn (which was overwhelmingly suggested against by several of the other responders) confirms conspiracy. A violation of critical distance, perhaps, but they policed it themselves. There are so many argumentative fallacies in these articles painting games journalists universally in a bad light I have to wonder why this guy is allowed to make this a news post instead of an opinion peace or a blog post or a personal YouTube video of him yelling into a camera in a dimly lit room full of printed out emails and articles on his wall linked together with string.

Well, this has been a fun distraction from homework and helped me vent my frustration with this whole mess. My sympathies to those whose confidence has been needlessly breached as irrational people and journalists with an agenda to push look to further their own ends.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Yeah, I am fine with it. Doesn't really bother me in the slightest, particularly if they're doing it to stop harassment. I mean, it's a bit like pissing into the wind considering it's the internet, but it's noble enough I suppose.

 

[Hap2]

Journalists talk with each other, because like anybody else, we like to "talk shop," and if you've never done journalism, then you probably don't understand the stresses and challenges particular to the job.

I'm not a games journalist - I cover a variety of things, mostly political, but I maintain contacts in the industry over a number of organizations. It's called networking. You get to know the people you're scrumming with. They become rivals, and friends.

 

[jprime777]

A list by itself doesn't seem like anything bad to me. It makes sense to have some sort of mailing list for journalists to keep in contact with each other.

 

[Buzz Killington_v1legacy]

Jesus Christ. Every single "Surely this will be teh SMOKING GUN!!!one!" revelation is sadder and more tenuous than the last. It's like someone hit Woodward and Bernstein in the heads with a shovel.

 

[AntiChri5]

I honestly don't see the problem with this. I also like how of all the text in there, the only one that's even remotely damning of some vague collusion between devs, PR, and games journalists was the one the one that website was so fond of throwing around. They're just framing these leaked e-mails (that are really none of our business) as some huge conspiracy to shape how games coverage is reported. Those articles are full of so many assumptions and loaded adjectives I still can't tell if this whole issue is Poe's Law taken to a logical extreme. Seriously, stuff like this:

The emails below, copied verbatim from a chain about games developer Zoe Quinn and shared with Breitbart London by a sympathetic source in the games industry, spell out in disturbing detail how gaming journalists threw objectivity out of the window and became cheerleaders for Quinn after it was revealed that she had started a sexual relationship with a journalist just days after she appeared in his reporting.

Not only did at least one of their number have sex with Quinn, but, in an astonishing breach of critical distance, games journalists can be seen in the leaked emails proposing that members of the list together to purchase her a "feel better" gift, and even a "signed letter of support." They call her ex-boyfriend, on whom Quinn cheated with five other men in the games industry, a "psychopath," asking why a VICE interview with him wasn't more hostile.

I don't understand why a couple of the emails indicating some form of sympathy for Zoe Quinn (which was overwhelmingly suggested against by several of the other responders) confirms conspiracy. A violation of critical distance, perhaps, but they policed it themselves. There are so many argumentative fallacies in these articles painting games journalists universally in a bad light I have to wonder why this guy is allowed to make this a news post instead of an opinion peace or a blog post or a personal YouTube video of him yelling into a camera in a dimly lit room full of printed out emails and articles on his wall linked together with string.

Well, this has been a fun distraction from homework and helped me vent my frustration with this whole mess. My sympathies to those whose confidence has been needlessly breached as irrational people and journalists with an agenda to push look to further their own ends.

That quote contains information that has outright been proven false a rather long time ago and never had an even slightly credible source in the first place.

Journalistic ethics, here we come!

 

[ElMinotoro]

Seems like gamergate and this email chain are on the same page. They both want to stop the harrassment. Where's the beef.

 

[Racecarlock]

Did I stumble onto a bilderberg conspiracy proof website by accident? It feels like I stumbled onto a bilderberg conspiracy proof website by accident.

Not to mention that to get this information, private email accounts were hacked. Yeah, that'll make gamergate look GREAT, especially barely a month after the fappening. I mean fucking hell, why not just start vandalizing houses and hiring hitmen while we're at it.

Don't actually do that, but you know what I mean. You want ethics? Practice what you preach, assholes.

 

[Impulse725]

Reminds me of the climategate email dump. A lot of sound and fury that ultimately signified nothing, unless you found it surprising scientists mocked climate change deniers in personal correspondence with each other. If there's every anything notable in these text logs, then they're going to make the story about that. Long email data dumps tend to be unremarkable and attempt to substitute length for relevance to keep eyeballs coming in for another couple of days.

 

[Racecarlock]

Did I stumble onto a bilderberg conspiracy proof website by accident? It feels like I stumbled onto a bilderberg conspiracy proof website by accident.

Not to mention that to get this information, private email accounts were hacked. Yeah, that'll make gamergate look GREAT, especially barely a month after the fappening. I mean fucking hell, why not just start vandalizing houses and hiring hitmen while we're at it.

Don't actually do that, but you know what I mean. You want ethics? Practice what you preach, assholes.

Wrong. That information was made public by one of the members of the list that Zoe Quinn hadn't fucked yet.

Making bullshit assumptions about some woman's sex life does not further the cause of journalistic integrity. In fact, it makes you look as bad as the "Social justice warriors" are painting you.

Also, that still doesn't explain how he got the information. Even so, he shouldn't spread the content of other people's private communications.

 

[Racecarlock]

Did I stumble onto a bilderberg conspiracy proof website by accident? It feels like I stumbled onto a bilderberg conspiracy proof website by accident.

Not to mention that to get this information, private email accounts were hacked. Yeah, that'll make gamergate look GREAT, especially barely a month after the fappening. I mean fucking hell, why not just start vandalizing houses and hiring hitmen while we're at it.

Don't actually do that, but you know what I mean. You want ethics? Practice what you preach, assholes.

Wrong. That information was made public by one of the members of the list that Zoe Quinn hadn't fucked yet.

Making bullshit assumptions about some woman's sex life does not further the cause of journalistic integrity.

But making bullshit assumptions about a man's sex life apparently does, does it?

I refer, once again, to Ben Kuchera's bullshit assumptions about Brad Wardell.

Kuchera is a dishonest hypocrite, his lack of ethics taints Polygon and he should be fired.

In fact, it makes you look as bad as the "Social justice warriors" are painting you.

Who's this "you" you speak of? I'm not part of a collective, so attempting to tar me with the same brush as another is just flat out dishonest.

Also, that still doesn't explain how he got the information. Even so, he shouldn't spread the content of other people's private communications.

One of the members on the list did it. This is not a private conversation, it's a clique. A clique which incidentally contains publishers - further demonstrating the total lack of distance and journalistic integrity which characterises what is fundamentally an amateur industry of bloggers.

"But making bullshit assumptions about a man's sex life apparently does, does it?"

NO! Again, you're trying to put words in my mouth. For fuck's sake. Just because I say it's bad that it happens to a woman doesn't mean I think it's okay when it happens to men. I don't.