"Gamer With Pride" Wrong Foot Forward?

[anthony87]

I don't like it, not because it has "suicide" in it or anything like that. I just don't like it because it's really really really really really really really really really really really really really stupid.

 

[DSK-]

I don't get it, although the what came to mind for me in regards to the suicide part is suiciding in game (a lot of people do that when they rage and stuff). I also thought of "dashboarding" too.

Otherwise this means absolutely nothing to me whatsoever :/

 

[BytByte]

Oh, it's supposed to be a joke. Oh no. No.

Who made it, just some fans? I hope...

 

[Tom_green_day]

I love the way all the controllers are black to fit with the house style except the Wiimote :L
It was found on a CoD site? How ironic.
But yeah telling people that not liking the fact that you are a gamer and should in fact kill yourself, is a tad extreme.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I don't know what it's saying. Is it saying that if you have pride in yourself you don't commit suicide? Or that that's common for gamers? I don't get it. As a general rule, if you can't convey your intended message with your piece of art then it has failed.

 

[Woodsey]

I'm more offended by the grammar than the infantile message.

 

[Doclector]

I'll agree it's a bad idea.

True, honestly, if you take the piss out of people or hate them just because they're gamers then you're kinda a massive asshole.

But it's just not good to say such things, y'know? Hell, I've been tempted to put up posters saying "If you blame Sandy Hook completely on games, then you're a fucking moron. Full stop. There is no debate here. Shut the fuck up." and as much as I believe with no shadow of doubt that this is true, it's still not a good idea to say it.

Also, it's important to realise that you have bad qualities, and not to let those colour the picture you put forward of a larger group you belong to. Personally, I'm a very direct, at worst, violent person, I believe if someone insults you, they should be forced to answer for it, but that is just me.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

That's a really awful...rhyming...pun...thing.

It's kind of saying "Have good self-esteem and take pride in yourself, or die!"

Pretty much this, except I read it more as an awkward rhyming way of saying "I'm a proud gamer. If you have a problem with that, you can go kill yourself."

It's just nonsensical and... dumb. It's literally too stupid to be worth being offended over.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Now imagine if it said

Vegetarian with pride.
If you don't like it, commit suicide.

It's basically saying "live and let live, or die."

I think it's appropriate. Mostly because Gamers have been unjustly accused of being the cause of 100% of the violent things that have ever happened ever.

And suggesting that people who subscribe to that notion should kill themselves, because we certainly aren't going to do that but we are upset that you breath the same air as us kind of has a poetic justice to it.

I am still equally pissed at the vegetarian version. Doesn't seem to change the meaning for me.

The difference as other people in the thread have pointed out is that suicide is a nasty thing that people struggle with and are victim of. It's horribly misunderstood and it's really tasteless to bring it up.

Don't like it? Fuck off. would be fine, it's still a bit stupid because all that does is make people more determined to get in an argument with you, but at least you don't look like a dick when you say it.

What about homosexual with pride
or black with pride
or a woman with pride
or Jewish with pride

It's not making light of suicide it's saying that bigots (Specifically to this case people who are prejudiced against gamers) have no place in the world.


Besides "pride" doesn't rime with "fuck off" so you loose the rime and the message that bigoted ass holes should by rights be dead. The notion that bigoted ass holes should just keep to their own kind would lead to all sorts of problems later down the line

People who have a shitty enough life to be close enough to suicide that some words on a JPEG would tip them over the edge should be in therapy and not on the internet.

 

[DragonStorm247]

"Gamer with pride"? I'm perfectly fine with. Agree with it even.

The suicide line? Not so much. Poor taste.

 

[Folji]

Whenever someone ties something or other to pride, I just have to ask why? I mean, c'mon, what kind of a shitty situation is the topic at hand caught up in for it to be necessary to bring pride into it?

 

[Mikeyfell]

The difference is that blacks, women, homosexuals and jews still face prejudices and have problems (depending on the region) but gamers... I got nothing. The best thing that can be said about gamers is that sometimes politicians try to rally up votes by saying something against video games but don't follow up with anything that can be legally accomplished. And it targets video games - not the individual persons enjoying the game. So gamers face no suffering, no problems and no prejudices. But hey, they are proud and peeps who don't like that should just kill themselfs...

I... wait are you being serious?

Have you ever seen a single news article paint games in a positive light?

It's true that nobody's ever oppressed the gaming culture for hundreds of years, they've only oppressed it for like 20 or 30 years because it's only been around that long.

Either way this isn't about the double standard it's about the message and I think it's a good one.

 

[Smooth Operator]

It's perfectly fine that, because you get a very clear indication what kind of community you are in for.

 

[BrotherRool]

What about homosexual with pride
or black with pride
or a woman with pride
or Jewish with pride

It's not making light of suicide it's saying that bigots (Specifically to this case people who are prejudiced against gamers) have no place in the world.


Besides "pride" doesn't rime with "fuck off" so you loose the rime and the message that bigoted ass holes should by rights be dead. The notion that bigoted ass holes should just keep to their own kind would lead to all sorts of problems later down the line

People who have a shitty enough life to be close enough to suicide that some words on a JPEG would tip them over the edge should be in therapy and not on the internet.

Honestly, still the same. (I didn't even pick up on the rhyme though which is incredibly stupid of me =D).

And I don't mean that it'll drive people to suicide, but that suicide is a horrible thing that we've got a warped view of in society (We say things like "People who have a shitty enough life to be close enough to suicide that some words on a JPEG would tip them over the edge should be in therapy and not on the internet." if I'm going to take a jab)

It just puts a real negative tone on the message. Instead of it being this 'I'm proud of this' thing, it's got a kind of 'I really hope you suffer' kind of tone. And because its suicide in particular it poisons the thing a bit more. If it was blah blah blah go impale yourself. Well people don't impale themselves so it keeps a bit of the levity in it.

But if it was blah blah blah go cut yourself. It's bringing some of the nasty back. The difference is I think it's really not uncommon to experience people who've had problems with suicide or cutting themselves. Me personally, one of my old teachers was devastated by their son committing suicide, I've known someone personally who had contemplated it and I've done two different volunteering jobs that involved talking to suicidal people. It just makes the whole thing a lot less fun and it feels like people are opening up a gash for a game. It's not nasty as such, but its sort of 'well they don't understand what I understand or there's no way they would feel like saying that' which doesn't help their cause.

And if it was something important, like LGBT, that would feel hypocritical. I'm making a statement about my problems with society by making light of someone elses problems.


It's not such a big deal that I'm outraged by it or anything, I just get a non-positive impression from their message and in an ideal world, I'd've done it differently

 

[Staskala]

I... wait are you being serious?

Have you ever seen a single news article paint games in a positive light?

It's true that nobody's ever oppressed the gaming culture for hundreds of years, they've only oppressed it for like 20 or 30 years because it's only been around that long.

Either way this isn't about the double standard it's about the message and I think it's a good one.

The better question is: Are you actually serious? Gamers are oppressed? Don't make me laugh.
Gaming, like every single other hobby, faces a certain prejudice by some groups, big fucking deal. Just try to name one past-time activity that's universally accepted by everybody.

 

[Mikeyfell]

I... wait are you being serious?

Have you ever seen a single news article paint games in a positive light?

It's true that nobody's ever oppressed the gaming culture for hundreds of years, they've only oppressed it for like 20 or 30 years because it's only been around that long.

Either way this isn't about the double standard it's about the message and I think it's a good one.

The better question is: Are you actually serious? Gamers are oppressed? Don't make me laugh.
Gaming, like every single other hobby, faces a certain prejudice by some groups, big fucking deal. Just try to name one past-time activity that's universally accepted by everybody.

I would say that games take more shit than any other hobby.
There's hardly a violent act that somebody doesn't try to pin on videogames

When ever video games are tangential related to anything bad their influence is blown out of proportion.
Remember the guy who tied up the kid he was supposed to be babysitting? Do you remember that they blamed Call of Duty for that?
When ever somebody with a WoW account shoots somebody they always cry ban videogames!
Senators are saying: Videogames are worse than guns!
Admitting you play videogames is treated like something to be ashamed of and that shouldn't stand
(That shouldn't stand for anything whether it be a hobby, lifestyle, race, gender, what ever)

Just try to name one past-time activity that's universally accepted by everybody.

Watching movies
Reading books
listening to music
listening to the radio
watching TV
Playing sports
Following sports statistics
Facebook
juggling
eating weird foreign foods
going to the museum
arguing about nonsense on the internet
staring contests
collecting porcelain unicorn figurines
restoring vintage cars
learning a foreign language
dancing
picking your nose
walking a dog
going to live music concerts
baking pies
exercise
giving way more than one example
going on picnics
painting pictures


I guarantee you every single person who's ever committed a crime has done at least one of those things and yet in the past hundred years there's never been a cry to ban any of those things, and telling people you have fun doing any of those things won't get you funny looks (Except maybe picking your nose)

Yeah, videogames get a lot of undeserved shit.

 

[Legion]

*snip*

Actually you are wrong. Gaming is currently the media's punching bag, but music and films have certainly had the same problems.

Metal/Rock was once seen as the reason for kids taking drugs, dropping out of school and teenagers having attitude problems, rather than hormones and peer pressure etc.

Horror movies were blamed on this murder in England, and it even coined a term "Video Nasties." The link I provided was one of the media articles printed later when people stopped with the knee-jerk reactions.

In ten years time when games consoles are in as many homes as televisions then something else will become the new cause for evil in society, but for the time being gaming is the least understood, and is the scape goat. It hasn't always been, and it won't always be.

 

[Mikeyfell]

snip

I just don't see it as making light of suicide,
It's one part of the slippery slope of political correctness.
If we quarter off suicide as something that can only be referenced in serious somber conversation then what's next?
Cutting? Depression? Shame?
Eventually all were going to be left with is tautologies: A gamer with pride, If you don't like it, then you don't like it.

And just for the record I don't think for a second that suicide isn't serious, I'm just of the mind that you should never be locked off from using certain words or ideas because it might offend someone

It's succinct, it rhymes, and it's saying the world would be a better place without bigotry (Bigotry towards gamers but it's a start) I like it.

 

[Mikeyfell]

*snip*

Actually you are wrong. Gaming is currently the media's punching bag, but music and films have certainly had the same problems.

Metal/Rock was once seen as the reason for kids taking drugs, dropping out of school and teenagers having attitude problems, rather than hormones and peer pressure etc.

Horror movies were blamed on this murder in England, and it even coined a term "Video Nasties." The link I provided was one of the media articles printed later when people stopped with the knee-jerk reactions.

In ten years time when games consoles are in as many homes as televisions then something else will become the new cause for evil in society, but for the time being gaming is the least understood, and is the scape goat. It hasn't always been, and it won't always be.

I'll give you the Metal thing, I even remember when that happened, but that was one genera, they didn't try to shut down pop music and cheesy love longs because of Judas Priest.

You don't see the difference when a link is that distinct?

Someone recreates blow for blow a murder committed in a movie, and that movie gets heat for it.

Someone kills someone with a gun, There are some videogames that have guns in them! all video games must be banned!

I mean somebody who called himself the Joker shot up a theater playing Batman and the news media thought it was note worthy that he played World of Warcraft. That's the shit I'm talking about.

And you're right eventually they'll move on and something else will come under fire for no good reason. I'll await the day when everyone collectively realizes that humans are capable of doing awful things to other humans with no help from outside sources.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

The image alone let alone the bad grammar has to be the epitome of utter nonsense and childishness to quite an extent.

I mean why is this kind of poster even needed?, do people really need to shove shit like that into everyone's faces and if they don't like it they should off themselves?.

I'd say it's just a bit worse than being a PC elitist.