I think the two groups of people you described make up a very, very small part of the gamer general population. But I'm almost positive you already know that.
gamers.... divided?
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You just said that those who like skyrim and single player are pc gamers. So COD Battlefield fans are console gamers... Battlefield is PC game. Even if you have it on console.bullet_sandw1ch said:
And "pretentious bastard pc/single player group"? Nice words about COD and BF (with hint of these being on consoles) and kick in teeth for PC?
Also you said that PC gamers don't like multiplayer....
I am sure you miss-worded that on accident or because you are 10 years old or not native english speaker.
Anyway whats wrong with that? I prefer Skyrim over BF3 or WoW but not because I dislike multiplayer. Anyway I am not a big fan of Skyrim. I would be if not damn consolification of games... Yes I HATE what consoles are doing to games, not consoles. I also hate most console gamers for beeing "pretentious bastard"
Every single person on the entire planet is divided. Well done, genius, humanity isn't a hive-mind and doesn't think exactly the same to everyone else.
Good job generalising everybody who plays Single-Player games as a 'pretentious bastard', though. Sucks you couldn't think of a more original insult for people who like Multi-Player.
Good job generalising everybody who plays Single-Player games as a 'pretentious bastard', though. Sucks you couldn't think of a more original insult for people who like Multi-Player.
You conflate the issue by putting it into such black and white terms. It's easy to think that the gaming population is divided when you spend time reading comments on forums or blogs, but as with everything, the squeaky wheel gets oiled. There is a large vocal minority presence on blogs and in forums especially on websites that cater to a specific hobby. What I'm saying is that you hear these people who either love or hate a specific genre more loudly because they have something to say whereas people like me that just love the hobby regardless of genre don't speak up or out. How interesting would it be if I went on a rant saying, "OMGZ, EVERY GENRE OF GAMINGZ IS FUN TO CERTAIN PEOPLE. TO EACH HIS OWN!11!1!!!" I suspect people would look at me funny. We appear divided because of the opinions of a very small minority of us. The saying, "one bad apple spoils the bunch" is very applicable to this discussion.
I think we are dividet into two groups too.bullet_sandw1ch said:
There are the people, you know, people with brains and such thinks.
And then there are idiots, who want to start flame wars, divide people into stupid groups for no apparent reason and hate on anythink, just so they have somethink to hate on....
And as a pretentious bastard, apparently , i am going to play some battlefield now....
This is stupid. I like both of those games, and all of my freinds, ALL of them like both. Which i find unusal, but they do. So already I know this thread is flawed.
Seriously, has it not crossed you're mind that people may like some mindless killing fun, like Cod or BF3, but also an RPG where they get to live out a fantasy as a dragon killing badass?
Seriously, has it not crossed you're mind that people may like some mindless killing fun, like Cod or BF3, but also an RPG where they get to live out a fantasy as a dragon killing badass?
I enjoy single player and multiplayer games. I enjoy playing games on the PC, PS3 and Xbox all for different reasons.
I must have divided myself then. Oh no my legs are running away! Come back!
I must have divided myself then. Oh no my legs are running away! Come back!
Yeah, gaming has grown to the point where you can say that there are now subdivisions. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact in some ways it's really good.
The divide is more along the lines of casual gamers vs. serious gamers. Platform has less to do with it than you think. The FPS crowd gets so much flak because they consider themselves hardcore due to "all the violence and blood" when really your dealing with something generally equivilent to "Farmville" just aimed at a differant audience. A point illustrated in arguements by the simple fact that an 11 year old moron can figure out how to play one of those games and do fairly well at it, with the experience being simple enough for them to seek it out despite the rating... it has a very low "mental age level" as opposed to other games which repel people like that due to being too intellecual and "boring" because they don't want to have to say think or *gasp* read. This is not to say that serious gamers do not play FPS games or things like "Farmville" as well, it's more about your predominant choice and how seriously you take them. A serious gamer considers something like "Call Of Duty" a form of intellectual slumming, entertaining, but hardly meaningful or worthy of much thought or effort, and thus detests those who think that is anything more.bullet_sandw1ch said:
The PC Vs. Console divide largely exists because consoles are designed to largely deliver casual games in an easy to understand and control format, so any mouth breather can be a gamer. While there are deep experiences on consoles, the development of there being one in every home has lead to an increased focus on low-end entertainment for the masses delivered through that platform.
Things have become so heated (as you can see in my post) because while in theory the industry is big enough to make games for every taste, that isn't what we generally see. The industry has become corperate enough where it sees the huge numbers of casual gamers on their approchable consoles, and that is who it wants to cater to because they can move more units to a less demanding audience and make more money. This means serious game development, which is profitable, but not AS profitable winds up being neglected.
Skyrim has mixed responses actually, it appeals to the serious crowd because it's actually one of the more "serious" games developed recently in a general drought of titles. You'll find that serious gamers are quick to judge it based on how it's been dumbed down to be more appealing to casuals (far less options, skills, etc...) and how the primary focus seems to have been on developing it for consoles with a control scheme your typical FPS player could figure out... which has lead to interface issues on the PC platform, as the interface (even invoving control wheels and such) fairly clearly shows it's console origins and focus as a number of people have pointed out.
Rather than an arguement, I'm just explaining things, even if I'm taking the opposite tone from you. Honestly despite my irritation I'd love to embrace a degree of gaming solidarity, but for that to happen game developers need to shift away from the "mountains of money" casual development and produce a lot more games for serious gamers despite the more modest (though still substantial) profits. When you see as many serious games like really in depth and complex RPGs coming out as you do shooters, facebook games, and mindless time waster apps, there will be peace. Sadly I don't think that will happen any time soon because very few publishers (and devs) can resist the temptation of watching the chaos and conflict from a thrown atop a giant pile of money while nomming on the most greasy drumstick they can find.
I am a gamer with an equal amount of complete disinterest for CoD/Battlefield/Skyrim.
there is a gaming world beyond the top3 blockbusters, btw.
there is a gaming world beyond the top3 blockbusters, btw.
It's a simplistic view, but not entirely wrong. I'd say rather that different sites/forums encourage this kind of mindset by being strongly for one genre and indifferent to or hostile to others.
This is the Escapist - a gaming site, but one glance at the forum would give you the impression that 'gamers' like RPGs (and whatever Yahtzee likes), hate FPSs and barely know what an MMO is. I'm sure other site are similiarly skewed.
And that impression iwll be reinforced a thousandfold if you're talking about in-game communities - try having a conversation about another MMO in WoW's global chat, or about WoW in any other game's global, and see how open minded those parts of the gaming community are. I'm sure the same can be said for other online multiplayer games as well.
This is the Escapist - a gaming site, but one glance at the forum would give you the impression that 'gamers' like RPGs (and whatever Yahtzee likes), hate FPSs and barely know what an MMO is. I'm sure other site are similiarly skewed.
And that impression iwll be reinforced a thousandfold if you're talking about in-game communities - try having a conversation about another MMO in WoW's global chat, or about WoW in any other game's global, and see how open minded those parts of the gaming community are. I'm sure the same can be said for other online multiplayer games as well.
Video games are like religions.
Gamers are divided into whichever genre and/or game style they prefer, with most happy to be a part of the greater collaborative, and only the extremist lunatics that would make war against those with differing opinions.
Gamers are divided into whichever genre and/or game style they prefer, with most happy to be a part of the greater collaborative, and only the extremist lunatics that would make war against those with differing opinions.
I find this thread to be highly simplistic and over-generalised, missing decades of differences and different groups. Also, it assumed we have to be one cohesive group. Not all film buffs like the same films. Some book lovers love James Joyce, some can't stand him. Saying "gamers are divided" is like saying "more than one person likes games".
Troll topic...and from your post you are probably one of the so-called 'multiplayer crowd' as you refer to anyone else as 'pretentious bastard pc/single player group'.
But just FYI, I like games from both of your over-generalised classifications.
Now go back under your bridge and stop making threads like this one...
But just FYI, I like games from both of your over-generalised classifications.
Now go back under your bridge and stop making threads like this one...
Actually its more like a giant spectrum and only asshats harass others for liking something they don't. In that way those two groups people are actually more united. Personally I'm not a fan of COD, but I have no problem with people who love it. Likewise I have friends who like COD but don't happen to enjoy fantasy rpg but don't care that I do.bullet_sandw1ch said:
Most gamers fall into the category of: I don't care what you happen to enjoy
As I see it there are two ways of approaching the term gamer.Abandon4093 said:
1) It is a descriptive term, useful because playing video games is not something that is universal, unlike watching movies/TV, reading, listening to music, or breathing. Thus someone who owns a motorcycle is a biker, someone who enjoys swimming is a swimmer, and someone who plays video games is a gamer.
2) It is a term used to describe someone who not only occasionally plays video games but is passionate about them. Thus it is analogous to terms like cinephile and bookworm.
i think u arent part of the "pretentious" pc/single player group?bullet_sandw1ch said:
btw why does pc instantly mean single player? ever heard of MMO's??
