Games Can Make You Trust
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First off, this guy has an AWESOME name. "Dr. Hazard" here should probably look into moonlighting as a super villain on his spare time, or at the very least work in politics. "And now to report his findings on the Gulf oil spill, Senator Hazard has the floor."
Second, this would be an interesting development in games. This could add a whole new layer to the dynamic between the player and his party member's A.I. in RPGs or shooters. As it stands, most people would probably go for the strongest or most unbalanced characters for the sake of combat, but a trust mechanic could not only bring the other characters to the forefront, but also add a new level to cooperation to the tea-tray shallow "Go there, stop, shoot that guy" approach.
Second, this would be an interesting development in games. This could add a whole new layer to the dynamic between the player and his party member's A.I. in RPGs or shooters. As it stands, most people would probably go for the strongest or most unbalanced characters for the sake of combat, but a trust mechanic could not only bring the other characters to the forefront, but also add a new level to cooperation to the tea-tray shallow "Go there, stop, shoot that guy" approach.
Cave Johnson also said it was a good idea to bring your daughter to work.Innegativeion said:
I would trust my human mind to say that it would be a bad idea to trust Cave Johnson.
Jonah J. Jameson is an entirely different person, however.
Deus ex ,deus ex2 and Tnm can be played and completed by doing decent and/or non violent acts .The game mechanics and ai support the banking of trust by the player via accurate information acquisition and right action. It's worth making the effort to think it through ( scaling up from easy to realistic). It's very difficult to do it.( quite a few attempts over the past 10 years I might add). I think these game designers aught to be celebrated and supported .I am hoping the new deus ex game will be similar and not just appeal to bed room psychotics , violence junkies,speed runners and cheat-freaks.
Realism with a "one life game option" would also encourage the player to value their choices and the consequences. Creating real emotive ( adrenaline dopamine serotonin responses to so called "philosophic choices" or actions/masterly inactions. Given the fact that many gamers and current affairs junkies (To name just 2 consumer groups ) become desensitised to the idiocy of the human condition it is essential to encourage some enlightened self interest in the gaming community. Games and online activities with a piss off outcome are appallingly cynical.
If trust and companionship ( a very scarce/rare commodity these days)are not valued by the game designers the whole thing becomes pornographic in the sense that more of the same devalues and deadens the relationship between designer and gamer.
Realism with a "one life game option" would also encourage the player to value their choices and the consequences. Creating real emotive ( adrenaline dopamine serotonin responses to so called "philosophic choices" or actions/masterly inactions. Given the fact that many gamers and current affairs junkies (To name just 2 consumer groups ) become desensitised to the idiocy of the human condition it is essential to encourage some enlightened self interest in the gaming community. Games and online activities with a piss off outcome are appallingly cynical.
If trust and companionship ( a very scarce/rare commodity these days)are not valued by the game designers the whole thing becomes pornographic in the sense that more of the same devalues and deadens the relationship between designer and gamer.
I thought that was the formula for sex...theriddlen said:I don't know what's the formula for love, but here's the formula for alcohol:Greg Tito said:
I can believe that a video game can evoke trust from a player, but please don't ask me to fall backwards and let a video game catch me.
Those formulae are well on their way.Greg Tito said:
As for the other part, trust and emotion are very thoroughly intertwined. His research is quite important for that, I think.
What about Mass Effect? Once you have a teammate long enough, they will ask you to help them with their own problem. You complete that problem and you gain their loyalty (trust). So, that counts right?
Huh, well I can't think of any instance where character trust is really used as well as it could be, but the idea of "trusting the game" itself sort of goes into that, since narrators do have a character-like voice. Aside from Portal, it's probably been explored more in online games so far (eg. Loved, DepictONE). But yes, would be good to see more in full-length games.
Oh yeah. I suppose I should have linked it. You can find it linked here [http://www.achrongame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1031&p=8705&hilit=PhD#p11421].MasterSplinter said:
This is the formula of love:luckycharms8282 said:A damn fine formula if I do say so myself. Probably very similar to the formula for lovetheriddlen said:I don't know what's the formula for love, but here's the formula for alcohol:Greg Tito said:
Beta-endorphin. It is one of the chemicals released by the brain responsible for "love".
Preposterous and nonsensical "humans are special and emotions are magic" blathering. You think emotions aren't quantifiable? Why? Humans are, as are all things, input-output devices. Certain inputs create emotional responses. The problem isn't that emotions come from some random magical place that can't be studied, it's that the black box is really really complicated. That said, we're a lot farther along than pop culture, which wants to hold onto the "humans are special and emotions are magic" viewpoint, would have you believe. We've got some pretty remarkable insights into the formulae for love and greed. If you8 want to know more about these formulae, you could, say, pick up an introductory psychology textbook. Or hell go to Wikipedia.Greg Tito said:
On the bright side, Dr. Chris Hazard has probably the best name I've ever seen in video games. Research qualifications aside (what the article describes is old, derivative, vague, and largely uninteresting from a psychological research standpoint), creating Doctor Hazard is easily motivation enough to hand the man a PhD.
Id make sweet lovin' to that molecule.Hashime said:This is the formula of love:
Beta-endorphin. It is one of the chemicals released by the brain responsible for "love".
Close enough then. Now, do you have the formula for Rohypnol?theriddlen said:I don't know what's the formula for love, but here's the formula for alcohol:Greg Tito said:
First step to being trusted? Don't call yourself Dr. Hazard. Seriously, it all sounds like a supervillain plot to me. He says he wants a formula for "trust" to make better videogames, but really he just wants to become the perfect backstabber.
On a more serious note, it's usually considered good storytelling to give subtle hints about a character being dishonest (see Knights of the Old Republic, Portal). It's just that most games aren't too subtle about it.
On a more serious note, it's usually considered good storytelling to give subtle hints about a character being dishonest (see Knights of the Old Republic, Portal). It's just that most games aren't too subtle about it.
Well, you see, he's newly educated and it's now that people are going to respond to his ideas that we'll see just what lies underneath the surface of Dr. Hazard...rsvp42 said:
OT: I doubt this'll work. Unless of course the mechanic would be based around ever players DIStrust of NPCs(or other people for that matter).
