In all these comments I don't see anyone complaining about how forge world priced a book at 100 money dollars (though it was worth every penny) and adding an extra 0 to the end of each price.
Games Workshop Stock Plummets By 24 Percent
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The problem is they claim they dont want digital distribution for any of their figurines. I do agree that this woudl definatelly be a solution.Batou667 said:
crapTunes security is pretty much nonexistant as far as i know. i never saw them labeled as some form of DRM that cant be circumvented by anyone, thought i never saw a person buying a book via crapTunes before either. Either way, as long as they allow you to read it they allow you to scan it. OCRing screenshots solve all DRM here.
I do hope 3D printing will bring the end of such monopolies. The way GW has been acting they certainly deserve to go out of business. And fans are willing to throw a lot of money for things they love either way. Just look how much the donation drives garner.
Yes but as you say this is already happening, so it wouldnt be some sort of new thing for the.thaluikhain said:
P.S. i was so used to you being an owl i had to doublecheck.
Taking me a little time to get used to it before, but I've been chanign my av's around New Year's for a while now.Strazdas said:
i noticed you have been changing. For some reason i think the owl fit your posts very well. oh well, whatever works best for you. I planned to change mine for half a year or so now but its probably going to take another half a year, new avatars are really low on my priorities list now.thaluikhain said:
Yeah, the wallaby hasn't quite worked so well, but I think I'll stick with it for the meantime.Strazdas said:
Lord I do agree I was excited for the new Codex and rules but after looking at the prices and seeing the local shop go under it is just sad. I mean the prices are just ridiculous but the other stuff I learned about on this board I am making my decision to move on to new tabletop games. Warmachine and wreckage sound pretty good right now.
Also my god Matt Ward I knew that the GW gave the Sisters of Battle no love but my god that whole Grey Knights is just real stupid. I mean i rarely call misogyny because I believe its thrown around to haphazardly on the net but this I am calling misogyny. Really the grey knights use the sister blood to ward off chaos corruption when in their codex and game lore wise grey knights hate chaos so much they CANT corrupted by it. So they don't need to bathe in blood to protect themselves and since they make up 2 of the 3 branches of the Inquisition so they would of teamed up. And don't get me started on that nonsense on how a single chaos dreadnaught can nearly kill a whole planet of sisters.
But yeah unless GW does some complete 180 I am closing the chapter on me and 40k.
Also my god Matt Ward I knew that the GW gave the Sisters of Battle no love but my god that whole Grey Knights is just real stupid. I mean i rarely call misogyny because I believe its thrown around to haphazardly on the net but this I am calling misogyny. Really the grey knights use the sister blood to ward off chaos corruption when in their codex and game lore wise grey knights hate chaos so much they CANT corrupted by it. So they don't need to bathe in blood to protect themselves and since they make up 2 of the 3 branches of the Inquisition so they would of teamed up. And don't get me started on that nonsense on how a single chaos dreadnaught can nearly kill a whole planet of sisters.
But yeah unless GW does some complete 180 I am closing the chapter on me and 40k.
Issues with GW generally fall into two categories; the price of their stuff, and the pay to win attitude. It's no coincidence that the units with the best stats are always the stuff that are brand new and never existed before now. Their aim is to make people keep having to rebuy their army every time a new Codex comes out, rather than making armies affordable and useable for long periods and then garnering good faith so people want to own more than one.
The path of Games Workshop has been warped for a number of years, because they are U.K based, they can be a bit too draconian in their control. Their audience is limited and in a changing world, next to more popular stuff like video games, films and comics, they aren't doing themselves any favours.
Can't say what the future holds for them, but good luck to them. Frankly, I think that they should lean more onto video games. The THQ Warhammer game on 360/PS3 was pretty good fun. The Dawn of War games were also good but few know of them unless you are a PC owner. Video games gives them a chance to expand the audience, than the usual male kids/adults demo, and they will need them more with the likes of Pokemon around to eat up time.
Can't say what the future holds for them, but good luck to them. Frankly, I think that they should lean more onto video games. The THQ Warhammer game on 360/PS3 was pretty good fun. The Dawn of War games were also good but few know of them unless you are a PC owner. Video games gives them a chance to expand the audience, than the usual male kids/adults demo, and they will need them more with the likes of Pokemon around to eat up time.
All the folks banging on about how 3D printing going to kill the miniatures business, at the moment the professional standard printers that companies like Raging Heroes use to print the masters that they make the moulds from still need to be touched up with greenstuff to get them up to standard. It's like inkjet printers didn't replace books or photographs, they aren't a mass production technology.
Miniatures are expensive, get over it, go on ebay and buy second hand. Warmahordes is cheaper and more balanced but the minis and fluff are rubbish. Malifaux and Infinity are set in interesting worlds with lovely mini's but they're skirmish games, they're different things. Malifaux doesn't even use dice.
How many of you going on about how the quality has dropped have actually went out and got the new tactical marine squad when it came out and put them together? I mean actually got your hands on them?
GW is going through a massive restructuring and is pumping out new releases at an unprecedented rate, it dosent suprise me that they haven't made as much last year because they have been investing in their products.
Those lazy fucktards at ChapterHouse haven't helped, in fact they have taken a lot of the fun out the hobby because now every Codex entry must have a model. The new Nid codex ended up getting smaller, the whole gaming in gaps, make your own stuff has been squeezed out so a company that makes crap miniatures (by anyone's standard) but can afford good lawyers couldn't be bothered to do what every other bits company in the industry does and use slightly different names. It's the gamers and quality third party suppliers, the good ones who have suffered.
And looking at those profit margins is it any surprise they protect their IP, I mean FFS Fallout 3...
Miniatures are expensive, get over it, go on ebay and buy second hand. Warmahordes is cheaper and more balanced but the minis and fluff are rubbish. Malifaux and Infinity are set in interesting worlds with lovely mini's but they're skirmish games, they're different things. Malifaux doesn't even use dice.
How many of you going on about how the quality has dropped have actually went out and got the new tactical marine squad when it came out and put them together? I mean actually got your hands on them?
GW is going through a massive restructuring and is pumping out new releases at an unprecedented rate, it dosent suprise me that they haven't made as much last year because they have been investing in their products.
Those lazy fucktards at ChapterHouse haven't helped, in fact they have taken a lot of the fun out the hobby because now every Codex entry must have a model. The new Nid codex ended up getting smaller, the whole gaming in gaps, make your own stuff has been squeezed out so a company that makes crap miniatures (by anyone's standard) but can afford good lawyers couldn't be bothered to do what every other bits company in the industry does and use slightly different names. It's the gamers and quality third party suppliers, the good ones who have suffered.
And looking at those profit margins is it any surprise they protect their IP, I mean FFS Fallout 3...
To be honest I was wandering when Games Workshop was going to break. There are a number of things that lead to this.
The cost of the models
Reducing the selling of products through independent retailers
The incentive of playing larger games with more models
Keeping the expensive lord of the rings IP
Reducing staff
It really looks like games workshop is really struggling to compete with more game systems and to a point other entertainments. Games Workshop?s only reel advantage not is there brand. When anyone things of table top gaming they think games workshop. But now they just work as a way of getting people into the hobby. Start with the relatively simple fantasy or 40k and then move onto another gaming system that plays more to your liking like.
On top of that they are debatably one of the best model makes in the business.
The main problem is they are so big it seems they feel it does not matter and they can get away with it. But people are losing faith in them and with those loosing customers.
It is safe to say Games Workshop needs to straighten up there act.
The cost of the models
Reducing the selling of products through independent retailers
The incentive of playing larger games with more models
Keeping the expensive lord of the rings IP
Reducing staff
It really looks like games workshop is really struggling to compete with more game systems and to a point other entertainments. Games Workshop?s only reel advantage not is there brand. When anyone things of table top gaming they think games workshop. But now they just work as a way of getting people into the hobby. Start with the relatively simple fantasy or 40k and then move onto another gaming system that plays more to your liking like.
On top of that they are debatably one of the best model makes in the business.
The main problem is they are so big it seems they feel it does not matter and they can get away with it. But people are losing faith in them and with those loosing customers.
It is safe to say Games Workshop needs to straighten up there act.
?On another note I recon the big question here is how long can you sell 1 product. GW now runs with 3 games which have evolved constantly for years.
I have a number of thoughts but how can games workshop revive their products.
Each army is updated one at a time seemingly. Maybe they need to do a full on update for all armies. Bring everything up to the same level and start again.
Another would be to make up a new game, fantasy in modern times could be interesting, or 40k in the past whatever works for you.
Or alternatively revive some of the old specialist games. Push 40k and fantasy on the back burner and revive some of the classics.
In short spice things up, make us want to buy stuff and make the products feel fresher and different. Now just another update to an old army book but this time it?s got a new unit. In short stop being cheap.
A lot of the things GW has been doing really feels like that is what the bank has been telling them to do.
In a failing café the bank will tell you to up your prices to help pay your bills, when in reality you need to update your menus and cook better food.
Games workshop needs to do something to give us faith in them again.
I have a number of thoughts but how can games workshop revive their products.
Each army is updated one at a time seemingly. Maybe they need to do a full on update for all armies. Bring everything up to the same level and start again.
Another would be to make up a new game, fantasy in modern times could be interesting, or 40k in the past whatever works for you.
Or alternatively revive some of the old specialist games. Push 40k and fantasy on the back burner and revive some of the classics.
In short spice things up, make us want to buy stuff and make the products feel fresher and different. Now just another update to an old army book but this time it?s got a new unit. In short stop being cheap.
A lot of the things GW has been doing really feels like that is what the bank has been telling them to do.
In a failing café the bank will tell you to up your prices to help pay your bills, when in reality you need to update your menus and cook better food.
Games workshop needs to do something to give us faith in them again.
Just my 2 cents:
Everyone making the point that there's a "barrier to entry" because of assembly and painting of the miniatures are completely wrong. That's part of doing the hobby and many people collect just to paint rather than to play. It's an essential part of doing any game and if they started selling pre-painted, pre-assembled models that would just be completely missing the point.
In my opinion, GW need to hit the reset button and go back to how it was in 2001. Everything seemed healthy then, Hobby stores were booming, the LoTR bubble hadn't burst, and in general stuff was positive.
1. Bring the "hobby" back into "The hobby". Before I picked up even a single model I spent hours on GW website as a 11 year old boy. I was awed by the terrain articles for Weathertop, the Mines of Moria, Lothlorien and Amon Hen. It was so inspiring and cool. I made my first terrain board painting grass, roads and rivers onto a bit of wood before I even got my first models and was making loads of trees and stuff, even a little clay well. Then I saw the Helm's Deep board they had made. Wow. They need to bring stuff like this back. The Hobbit has tons of great locations, the Carrock, Goblin Town, the cliff where the fiery trees are etc. Erebor but none of this has been utilised. This would be interest in the hobby from young kids like me back in the day. Same for 40K and WHFB. Bring back the guides to the site and WD and inspire people rather than selling soulless boring terrain.
2. Commission 3 DeAgonstini magazines. One for each system. That'll serve to get the install base up. Start with Space Marines for 40K. Last Alliance for LoTR. Tell the entire story to get people interested. £5 for a biweekly issue should suffice. £10 a month isn't bad. Get rid of their Finecast stock too maybe. People will get led into the Hobby from subsidised magazines like this.
3. Freebies with WD too. Bring back better articles too.
4. Advertise. Advertise in "geek and nerd" magazines, film magazines, TV adverts during Sci-Fi shows on TV. Keep an active FB and Twitter feed. Youtube channel. Utilise the internet. At the moment I feel like GW is run by a bunch of politically correct Grannies who got some nasty spam email once so decided never to use a computer again.
5. Plastic command sprue in with the plastic warriors sprue so you feel like you're getting more for your money.
That's just my 5 points.
Also buy a license for Game of Thrones battle game TV show that'd be so sick.
Everyone making the point that there's a "barrier to entry" because of assembly and painting of the miniatures are completely wrong. That's part of doing the hobby and many people collect just to paint rather than to play. It's an essential part of doing any game and if they started selling pre-painted, pre-assembled models that would just be completely missing the point.
In my opinion, GW need to hit the reset button and go back to how it was in 2001. Everything seemed healthy then, Hobby stores were booming, the LoTR bubble hadn't burst, and in general stuff was positive.
1. Bring the "hobby" back into "The hobby". Before I picked up even a single model I spent hours on GW website as a 11 year old boy. I was awed by the terrain articles for Weathertop, the Mines of Moria, Lothlorien and Amon Hen. It was so inspiring and cool. I made my first terrain board painting grass, roads and rivers onto a bit of wood before I even got my first models and was making loads of trees and stuff, even a little clay well. Then I saw the Helm's Deep board they had made. Wow. They need to bring stuff like this back. The Hobbit has tons of great locations, the Carrock, Goblin Town, the cliff where the fiery trees are etc. Erebor but none of this has been utilised. This would be interest in the hobby from young kids like me back in the day. Same for 40K and WHFB. Bring back the guides to the site and WD and inspire people rather than selling soulless boring terrain.
2. Commission 3 DeAgonstini magazines. One for each system. That'll serve to get the install base up. Start with Space Marines for 40K. Last Alliance for LoTR. Tell the entire story to get people interested. £5 for a biweekly issue should suffice. £10 a month isn't bad. Get rid of their Finecast stock too maybe. People will get led into the Hobby from subsidised magazines like this.
3. Freebies with WD too. Bring back better articles too.
4. Advertise. Advertise in "geek and nerd" magazines, film magazines, TV adverts during Sci-Fi shows on TV. Keep an active FB and Twitter feed. Youtube channel. Utilise the internet. At the moment I feel like GW is run by a bunch of politically correct Grannies who got some nasty spam email once so decided never to use a computer again.
5. Plastic command sprue in with the plastic warriors sprue so you feel like you're getting more for your money.
That's just my 5 points.
Also buy a license for Game of Thrones battle game TV show that'd be so sick.
Yep...well, provided you mean 2001 before the Tau came out.endtherapture said:
Yup...local stores making their own custom terrain and throwing the old ones out every few months.endtherapture said:
Modular terrain has lots of advantages to be sure, but like you say, it lacks soul.
Very much this. Nowdays, WD is little more than a catalogue with paint tips.endtherapture said:
Back in the day, it'd be full of short stories and other fluff. Back issues are worth reading just for those.
I'm a sad, sad person, but I did some basic + and - and came up with the cost for entry into Warhammer 40k vs entry into Warmachine/Hordes.
Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook - $74.25
Codex: Space Marines - $58.00
Space Marine Captain - $30.00
10 Tactical Marines - $40.00*
10 Tactical Marines - $40.00
Total: $242.25
Warmachine: Prime/Hordes: Primal rulebook - $29.99
Warmachine/Hordes Battlegroup - $49.99
Total: $79.98
*10 models per box, so if a basic marine unit is only 5 marines, then you can cut off $40 from the cost.
Depending on wheter or not a unit of Tactical Marines are 5 or 10 models minimum per unit, the cost of getting into 40k will be a little over twice or three times higher than the cost of getting into the competitions game. And GW, rather than lower their prices in an attempt to stimulate the market, are cannibalising their own infrastructure in order to make up for lost profits...
I'm trying to think of a horror story analogy, but I'm drawing a blank :/
Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook - $74.25
Codex: Space Marines - $58.00
Space Marine Captain - $30.00
10 Tactical Marines - $40.00*
10 Tactical Marines - $40.00
Total: $242.25
Warmachine: Prime/Hordes: Primal rulebook - $29.99
Warmachine/Hordes Battlegroup - $49.99
Total: $79.98
*10 models per box, so if a basic marine unit is only 5 marines, then you can cut off $40 from the cost.
Depending on wheter or not a unit of Tactical Marines are 5 or 10 models minimum per unit, the cost of getting into 40k will be a little over twice or three times higher than the cost of getting into the competitions game. And GW, rather than lower their prices in an attempt to stimulate the market, are cannibalising their own infrastructure in order to make up for lost profits...
I'm trying to think of a horror story analogy, but I'm drawing a blank :/