Games you think are overrated
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A game is never overrated, Frodo Baggins. Nor is it underrated. People rate them precisely how they mean to.
ALL OF THEM.
Especially that one you really like. That one's shit on a stick. You like it much more than it deserves. That's the reason it's overrated, y'see?
Thing is, you're actually wrong. You don't like it as much as you think you do. I know this because I don't like it much and my opinion reigns supreme.
Especially that one you really like. That one's shit on a stick. You like it much more than it deserves. That's the reason it's overrated, y'see?
Thing is, you're actually wrong. You don't like it as much as you think you do. I know this because I don't like it much and my opinion reigns supreme.
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness.
"But lacktheknack! Wasn't that game decried as everything from mediocre to poop on a stick?"
Yes, it was.
"Then how can it be overrated?"
Noooobody knooows the trouble I've seeeen, nooobody knooows my soorroooowww...
In all seriousness, whether I think a game is "overrated" or not can be traced back to whether I was the target audience or not. As someone who's pretty much NEVER in the target audience, I find a whole lot of games "overrated", and it's pointless for me to give general examples. It doesn't mean the games aren't still pretty fun.
"But lacktheknack! Wasn't that game decried as everything from mediocre to poop on a stick?"
Yes, it was.
"Then how can it be overrated?"
Noooobody knooows the trouble I've seeeen, nooobody knooows my soorroooowww...
In all seriousness, whether I think a game is "overrated" or not can be traced back to whether I was the target audience or not. As someone who's pretty much NEVER in the target audience, I find a whole lot of games "overrated", and it's pointless for me to give general examples. It doesn't mean the games aren't still pretty fun.
I'm kind of with Zhukov on this one; most games don't deserve all of their praise. But if I had to be specific:
Skyrim: Can be extremely fun as long as you don't think too much about what you're doing. A good game, definitely an 8/10 but not a 9 or 10.
Minecraft: Fun... at first. A one-trick show. Once you've built one diamond-tipped stone monolith in the shape of a cock, you've built them all.
Mass Effect Series: Great, so long as you enjoy watching cutscenes and Deus Ex Machina.
Final Fantasy VII: You need a steady drip of liquid nostalgia in order to even enjoy this one. "It was great at the time" is hardly a justification for the "EVER" in "Best Game EVER"
World of Warcraft: Digital cigarettes. Addictive and more interesting when you have company.
Skyrim: Can be extremely fun as long as you don't think too much about what you're doing. A good game, definitely an 8/10 but not a 9 or 10.
Minecraft: Fun... at first. A one-trick show. Once you've built one diamond-tipped stone monolith in the shape of a cock, you've built them all.
Mass Effect Series: Great, so long as you enjoy watching cutscenes and Deus Ex Machina.
Final Fantasy VII: You need a steady drip of liquid nostalgia in order to even enjoy this one. "It was great at the time" is hardly a justification for the "EVER" in "Best Game EVER"
World of Warcraft: Digital cigarettes. Addictive and more interesting when you have company.
You've been here long enough to know better by now.Zhukov said:
OT: Final Fantasy VII gets a lot of crap these days, but people always seem to gloss over The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
The fact that not only is it demonstrably worse than Wind Waker but was also still heralded as "A MASTERPIECE" with the 3DS re-release convinces me that everyone except me must simply be mad.
The only games that are overrated is the one you don't like but others seem to like regardless... like [insert any Game of the Year game candidate and/or winner] or [insert game with "progressive" protagonist and/or antagonist]...
With that said, I prefer the term underrated, since those are the "types" of games I play anyway...
Plus, overrated is SO overrated... Like, totally!
But seriously, Overrated: The Video Game did not deserve the amount of hype it got... especially after that "Controversy DLC" pre-order bonus debacle...
(Yeah... I REALLY can't think of any game I would consider overrated... except maybe [REDACTED], but still...)
With that said, I prefer the term underrated, since those are the "types" of games I play anyway...
Plus, overrated is SO overrated... Like, totally!
But seriously, Overrated: The Video Game did not deserve the amount of hype it got... especially after that "Controversy DLC" pre-order bonus debacle...
(Yeah... I REALLY can't think of any game I would consider overrated... except maybe [REDACTED], but still...)
I think I went out of my way to defend Dead Space on an underrated thread. So I may as well do this in reverse for an overrated one. As in say something I like is overrated.
I quite like Halo 3, but it's really nothing special.
*Shooting works fine
*The soundtrack is beautiful and well used to set tone and atmosphere.
*It's very pretty looking even today.
*The Prophet of Truth remains a very good villain with coherent motivations (and dat reveal he whispers near the end).
*Level design is good.
*Multiplayer is well balanced, forge and theatre are well implemented.
*The attention to detail is frankly frightening (marine dialogue, easter eggs, little pieces of information etc.)
But on the whole it's just disposable. Though the levels look different, they are very samey. The characters are not varied enough, many just show similar emotions and dialogue. The tone is inconsistent and so is the difficulty curve. Not much has been added to the gameplay in the singleplayer or multiplayer. Any attempt at a boss fight is just pathetic. Some enemies do too much damage while others don't do enough to warrant being called a threat. Set pieces from previous Halo games are reused such as the Sniper Alley just before the end segment of the level.
Halo 3 is a game I quite like and have sunk many hours into, but it's just not as creative as the second one and its pitiful length just shows how the first Halo game used backtracking in a very effective way. My impression is not helped by Halo Wars and Halo 3: ODST being significant improvements over Halo 3. I guess Halo 3 would be the third worst in the main series for me, but bad by Halo standards doesn't really sink lower than mediocre in my mind.
I quite like Halo 3, but it's really nothing special.
*Shooting works fine
*The soundtrack is beautiful and well used to set tone and atmosphere.
*It's very pretty looking even today.
*The Prophet of Truth remains a very good villain with coherent motivations (and dat reveal he whispers near the end).
*Level design is good.
*Multiplayer is well balanced, forge and theatre are well implemented.
*The attention to detail is frankly frightening (marine dialogue, easter eggs, little pieces of information etc.)
But on the whole it's just disposable. Though the levels look different, they are very samey. The characters are not varied enough, many just show similar emotions and dialogue. The tone is inconsistent and so is the difficulty curve. Not much has been added to the gameplay in the singleplayer or multiplayer. Any attempt at a boss fight is just pathetic. Some enemies do too much damage while others don't do enough to warrant being called a threat. Set pieces from previous Halo games are reused such as the Sniper Alley just before the end segment of the level.
Halo 3 is a game I quite like and have sunk many hours into, but it's just not as creative as the second one and its pitiful length just shows how the first Halo game used backtracking in a very effective way. My impression is not helped by Halo Wars and Halo 3: ODST being significant improvements over Halo 3. I guess Halo 3 would be the third worst in the main series for me, but bad by Halo standards doesn't really sink lower than mediocre in my mind.
I'm gonna go with post Galaxy Mario games. Nearly all of them have just been these safe games, sure they might be fun, but they don't really do anything interesting that make them stick out more than any previous Mario game. And a cat suit is not enough to warrant a new game, if it is, then the yearly modern military shooter just became justified. It just feels like they're cashing in instead of trying anything interesting. In fact, I'm gonna go with most modern Nintendo games at this point. Rarely have they pushed the envelope at this point, and while they are all very well done and tight games, they still lack anything that make them any better than the last Nintendo game that came out from the same franchise.
Bioshock: Infinite, the story is filled with plot holes the size of mini-vans, the gun play is really only pretty good, and besides Booker, none of the characters are really interesting(and even Booker is a stretch).
Nearly any iPhone game. Ever. They're all only okay with no actual substance past killing time in a car ride, and yet there's fucking angry birds toys and I shouldn't even have to elaborate on how unnecessary that is.
EDIT: Why is it necessary for the first comments on these threads to always be people talking about how "oh, no game is overrated, people like a game for a reason, and however much they like it is how much that game deserves it and blah blah blah..." Seriously, it adds nothing to the discussion. You didn't think games were overrated, so you have nothing to contribute to the thread, then just move on.
Bioshock: Infinite, the story is filled with plot holes the size of mini-vans, the gun play is really only pretty good, and besides Booker, none of the characters are really interesting(and even Booker is a stretch).
Nearly any iPhone game. Ever. They're all only okay with no actual substance past killing time in a car ride, and yet there's fucking angry birds toys and I shouldn't even have to elaborate on how unnecessary that is.
EDIT: Why is it necessary for the first comments on these threads to always be people talking about how "oh, no game is overrated, people like a game for a reason, and however much they like it is how much that game deserves it and blah blah blah..." Seriously, it adds nothing to the discussion. You didn't think games were overrated, so you have nothing to contribute to the thread, then just move on.
Knights of the Old Republic. The combat is awful, the voice acting is wooden and even the dialogue is poor. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the more recent RPGs like Mass Effect, but the old style of RPG dialogue feels really stiff and unnatural to me. The conversations don't flow, you just click an item on a list, then the character gives you some awkward exposition.
Also, the original Fallouts. Call me a monster but I prefer them as first-person shooters with RPG elements. Fallout 3 is more atmospheric than any of the older ones, and Fallout New Vegas is just as witty and well-written.
Also, the original Fallouts. Call me a monster but I prefer them as first-person shooters with RPG elements. Fallout 3 is more atmospheric than any of the older ones, and Fallout New Vegas is just as witty and well-written.
BioShock Infinite: But I've ranted against that game enough. By now, I'm mostly tired of doing it.
The Witcher 2: Beyond all the little things such as horrible menus, a bad save system that can negatively affect frame rate, QTEs, putting all the major options in a launcher, incredibly poor descriptions of certain monsters' strengths and weaknesses, awful minigams like Arm Wrestling and a changed Dice Poker, awkward animation skips during conversations, Geral'ts swords disappearing whenever you climbed down a ladder, horrible navigation, and Geralt's inability to look a dwarf in the eye,[footnote]Note: Many of these probably wouldn't have been so bad if the game wasn't trying to so hard to look and feel so realistic.[/footnote] I just couldn't get into this game and only stuck around because I wanted to get the whole story before The Witcher 3.
While there was more to the combat than the first game, so much of it was just a horrible, boring grind that took away from the engagement far more than the first game's did. At least the first game emphasized learning about everything in the world and Witcher fighting styles, which is something the second game didn't even try to do, or at least failed so miserably at that it didn't come across as trying. The game never really offered the open environments of the first game (at least not down Iorveth's path) but was really just a web of corridors. The added stealth sections were so awful that I almost didn't even bother getting out of the prologue for fear that they would litter the game.
In general, the game was just trying way too hard. So many of the "cinematic moments" just came across as cheesy. It tried so hard to be "dark" and "edgy" and "mature" that it lost most of the charm of the first game, and any attempts at humor just felt forced into the game. Changing characters to get you "close" to the events added nothing and just gave us awful gameplay sections. It also, in all of its rather ridiculous attempts at being in your face, lost pretty much all the subtlety and self-awareness that the first game had, or maybe I just wasn't invested enough to realize.
Oh yeah, and who in the world thought it was a good idea to let Dandelion, who might as well be a parody of all the bad poets in fantasy, write the whole journal? Did it start as an inside joke that just began to be taken too seriously, or was the entire team just drunk when they made that decision?
There were some other things, but I won't go any further. Either way, The Witcher 3 had better be worth it.
Older Fallout games: OK, maybe these were really good for their time, but I just don't get how they can still be considered pinnacles of the RPG genre. I've tried multiple times to get into all of these games, and while I can sort of see how they could be appealing for their time, they mostly just remind me that I would rather be playing Fallout 3 or New Vegas. They just haven't aged well at all, and the world just isn't as interesting to follow as it was in the newer Fallout games.
Mass Effect: Now, I love Mass Effect, but to completely ignore its horrible gameplay and technical problems, as I've seen way too many people do, is just willfully ignoring the fact that this is just a really bad game that happens to have some of the best writing in the medium.
The Witcher 2: Beyond all the little things such as horrible menus, a bad save system that can negatively affect frame rate, QTEs, putting all the major options in a launcher, incredibly poor descriptions of certain monsters' strengths and weaknesses, awful minigams like Arm Wrestling and a changed Dice Poker, awkward animation skips during conversations, Geral'ts swords disappearing whenever you climbed down a ladder, horrible navigation, and Geralt's inability to look a dwarf in the eye,[footnote]Note: Many of these probably wouldn't have been so bad if the game wasn't trying to so hard to look and feel so realistic.[/footnote] I just couldn't get into this game and only stuck around because I wanted to get the whole story before The Witcher 3.
While there was more to the combat than the first game, so much of it was just a horrible, boring grind that took away from the engagement far more than the first game's did. At least the first game emphasized learning about everything in the world and Witcher fighting styles, which is something the second game didn't even try to do, or at least failed so miserably at that it didn't come across as trying. The game never really offered the open environments of the first game (at least not down Iorveth's path) but was really just a web of corridors. The added stealth sections were so awful that I almost didn't even bother getting out of the prologue for fear that they would litter the game.
In general, the game was just trying way too hard. So many of the "cinematic moments" just came across as cheesy. It tried so hard to be "dark" and "edgy" and "mature" that it lost most of the charm of the first game, and any attempts at humor just felt forced into the game. Changing characters to get you "close" to the events added nothing and just gave us awful gameplay sections. It also, in all of its rather ridiculous attempts at being in your face, lost pretty much all the subtlety and self-awareness that the first game had, or maybe I just wasn't invested enough to realize.
Oh yeah, and who in the world thought it was a good idea to let Dandelion, who might as well be a parody of all the bad poets in fantasy, write the whole journal? Did it start as an inside joke that just began to be taken too seriously, or was the entire team just drunk when they made that decision?
There were some other things, but I won't go any further. Either way, The Witcher 3 had better be worth it.
Older Fallout games: OK, maybe these were really good for their time, but I just don't get how they can still be considered pinnacles of the RPG genre. I've tried multiple times to get into all of these games, and while I can sort of see how they could be appealing for their time, they mostly just remind me that I would rather be playing Fallout 3 or New Vegas. They just haven't aged well at all, and the world just isn't as interesting to follow as it was in the newer Fallout games.
Mass Effect: Now, I love Mass Effect, but to completely ignore its horrible gameplay and technical problems, as I've seen way too many people do, is just willfully ignoring the fact that this is just a really bad game that happens to have some of the best writing in the medium.
I'd have to go with Dark Souls. I didn't get why everybody liked it so much. After getting over the '2hard5me' aspect (which, to me, seemed just more obtuse than actually difficult), it seemed to have a lot of bad design. Sure, the combat was really fun, and I quite liked it, but there seemed to be a whole lot of instant-kill bottomless pits (Blighttown and the Bed of Chaos come to mind, but I remember there being others), un-intuitively laid out maps, and a heap of traps and such that you'd need clairvoyance to get past on your first go. I didn't find the plot nearly as engaging and deep as everyone else did, and it left me with a sense of "Well if the world is just dying anyway, why should I bother doing anything?". I think this is what TVtropes calls "Darkness Induced Apathy".
I'm not really sure I'm the target audience, though, and as has been stated above, "I think it's over-rated" usually translates to "I'm not the target audience". I think it has alot of similarities with horror games, and I'm not really very into horror. And before someone accuses me of just being crap at it, I killed Ornstein and Smough on my first try. By killing Smough first.
I'm not really sure I'm the target audience, though, and as has been stated above, "I think it's over-rated" usually translates to "I'm not the target audience". I think it has alot of similarities with horror games, and I'm not really very into horror. And before someone accuses me of just being crap at it, I killed Ornstein and Smough on my first try. By killing Smough first.
I'm probably going to be hunted down and beaten with newspapers for this, but:
The Last Of Us - The story was so predictable that I predicted every single major plot point before it happened, both Joel and Ellie were really unlikable to me and none of the side chacters were properly fleshed out. Also, it felt like a reskinned zombie game to me.
Skyrim - I love RPGs but I can't get into this game, I just can't. I don't even think I've found the story threads yet and I've been playing for hours.
Final Fantasy VII - I like this game, I really do, but it's not the holy grail that it's been made out to be, it's just been so overblown that it's come full circle and started being a bit of a joke.
Dead Space - It's not scary. It's a horror game, but it's not the slightest bit scary.
Bioshock Infinite - I like both Elizabeth and Booker, but the storyline was a bit convoluted and it was overhyped for what I got out of it (and I'm not paying $30AU for the Burial at Sea DLC, stuff that).
Dragon Age: Origins - It's like Skyrim, I just can't get into the game.
Ocarina of Time - Same problem as FFVII (expect I don't quite like it as much, but I don't hate it).
The Last Of Us - The story was so predictable that I predicted every single major plot point before it happened, both Joel and Ellie were really unlikable to me and none of the side chacters were properly fleshed out. Also, it felt like a reskinned zombie game to me.
Skyrim - I love RPGs but I can't get into this game, I just can't. I don't even think I've found the story threads yet and I've been playing for hours.
Final Fantasy VII - I like this game, I really do, but it's not the holy grail that it's been made out to be, it's just been so overblown that it's come full circle and started being a bit of a joke.
Dead Space - It's not scary. It's a horror game, but it's not the slightest bit scary.
Bioshock Infinite - I like both Elizabeth and Booker, but the storyline was a bit convoluted and it was overhyped for what I got out of it (and I'm not paying $30AU for the Burial at Sea DLC, stuff that).
Dragon Age: Origins - It's like Skyrim, I just can't get into the game.
Ocarina of Time - Same problem as FFVII (expect I don't quite like it as much, but I don't hate it).
I totally agree with you on Dead Space, TLOU, and OoT, and I despise Dragon Age. Unpopular opinions are more common than you think, but they're usually kept to oneself so as not to incur the wrath of zealous fans. I can sell you some of my patented Newspaper-proof armor if you like, though.lunavixen said:
I remember everyone going on about how super scary Dead Space was, but after actually trying it, it just felt like an action game that was trying to be scary. It was a fun action game, mind, and I liked it as an action game, but it was in no way scary.
While I liked the Last of Us, the ending kind of lost me, and Joel really strayed too far into 'unlikeable' territory for me. I remember getting to the final level and just being like "Oh, god, you're serious? We're really doing this, Joel?".
Ocarina was...eh? I played the 3DS re-release after all my friends bothered me about it, and while I can see why people loved it at the time, it kind of hadn't aged all that well. I wouldn't call it bad, but I'd already played games based on Ocarina that had done it better.
For me, playing Dragon Age: Origins was like playing WoW with a group where every other player was controlled by a retarded monkey. The story was ok, but no matter how many times I fiddled with it, I just couldn't get into the combat, since the AI were all busy wondering why the sharp pointy things didn't want to be friends. Maybe I was doing something wrong, but I gave up after one too many deaths.
Oh, and speaking of RPGs people liked that start with 'Dragon', Dragon's Dogma. It was like Skyrim if Skyrim were populated and made by middle school drama students (as opposed to the high school drama students it currently has). Everyone kept really obvious, unnecessary things ("Wolves hunt in packs!") with some of the most ear-bleedingly awful voice acting I've ever heard, the world and story felt extremely generic as far as fantasy goes, and I personally found the lack of direction kind of a turn off.
I genuinely don't understand all the praise Bioshock: Infinite got during its launch, especially in regards to the story and characters and all the people hailing both as being somehow remarkable. Seriously? It was comic-book level stuff; A cheesy pulp-fiction take on fun theoretical stuff with a disney princess thrown in and lots of gore for good measure. Which isn't to say Infinite was terrible or anything, I liked the game well enough and if nothing else the story was fun to experience, but the way it was hailed across the internet kinda confused and frustrated me. Does that count as thinking the game is overrated?
I don't often play new or particularly trendy games these days so it's a bit hard to criticize all the popular games when I haven't played most of them.
I don't often play new or particularly trendy games these days so it's a bit hard to criticize all the popular games when I haven't played most of them.
Halo 2. Possibly the worst Halo game in the series and yet it is the most highly regarded one for some reason (my guess is the online experience made up for the technical flaws of the game).
Boring campaign with terribly linear level design, awful set pieces that just killed the pacing of the game, return of the flood, stupid and annoying bait-and-switch story (we all thought it was going to be about the defense of earth. Nope. Nope.) and a host of other things. It has been so long since I have played it that I have actually forgotten all the other criticism I had of the game, this is just what jumped into my mind.
And then there is the multiplayer... I will be the first to put my hand up and say that I was a massive fanboy of the MP, but in retrospect, it was broken. Absolutely broken. I really, really hope they port the EXACT multiplayer of H2 for the MC collection so people will actually see how stupidly broken the game was.
Boring campaign with terribly linear level design, awful set pieces that just killed the pacing of the game, return of the flood, stupid and annoying bait-and-switch story (we all thought it was going to be about the defense of earth. Nope. Nope.) and a host of other things. It has been so long since I have played it that I have actually forgotten all the other criticism I had of the game, this is just what jumped into my mind.
And then there is the multiplayer... I will be the first to put my hand up and say that I was a massive fanboy of the MP, but in retrospect, it was broken. Absolutely broken. I really, really hope they port the EXACT multiplayer of H2 for the MC collection so people will actually see how stupidly broken the game was.