Gamestop giving used Arkham City buyers Catwoman code
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How are WB cheating customers? You buy the game new, you get the code. Its in the box. How are they dicking the customer? They want peoples money for buying the game they made. When you buy the game second hand the money goes to Gamestop. Either way buying second hand is only about $5 cheaper than a new copy anyway. Think about it. If two people sold the same car, except person one included a cd player. Should i be able to buy from person 2 as its cheaper and still claim the cd player from person 1 without paying for it? No.
I really dont see why people are bitching about this. Not like your downloading a key to unlock whats on the disk. Only thing WB did wrong was promote the game with Catwoman in it as an integral part instead of selling it as DLC at a later date. All you want is to pay less money and still expect to get the benefits of a new purchase.
Either way WB and Gamestop are trying to take your money. Only problem is Gamestop make 100% off sale of a used game and a small % off a new game. WB makes a small % off a new game and 0% of a second hand game.
I really dont see why people are bitching about this. Not like your downloading a key to unlock whats on the disk. Only thing WB did wrong was promote the game with Catwoman in it as an integral part instead of selling it as DLC at a later date. All you want is to pay less money and still expect to get the benefits of a new purchase.
Either way WB and Gamestop are trying to take your money. Only problem is Gamestop make 100% off sale of a used game and a small % off a new game. WB makes a small % off a new game and 0% of a second hand game.
The problem was that Catwoman was a huge part of Arkham City's marketing and press releases. The Joker challenge maps were marketed as PS3 exclusive DLC. Had that correctly marketed Catwoman's sections as bonus content, less people would be pissed.Ordinaryundone said:
I think Extra Credits and Extra Punctuation have mentioned this subject before.
Given the history I'm not sure if talking about EC will get a warnng but here goes.
They were talking about Project 10 Dollar. The discussion is deeper than this but here's the relevant stuff.
Used games earn the company $0 so EA includes a code that allows access to DLC content. Code only works once so if you buy a used game you have to go online and pay $10 to get the extra DLC for yourself.
Of course if Gamestop are giving the stuff away for free with the used copy then the company gets nothing again.
As I said, there's more to this I know but what's better. Go online and give Rocksteady cash for the DLC or take gamestops free code and know that the makers of BATMAN FUCKING ARKHAM CITY (You know, that beautiful game we're drooling over) will get nothing for your purchase.
Shall we screw over Bethesda in the same way? Bungie? Blizzard? And these are just the big names.
Think of that game you love, that one you've become a fan of on facebook, ranted about on forums told all your friends about. The one you've excluded other friends or family members for.
How do you feel to know that when you purchased that game used that you contributed nothing to the developers?
Given the history I'm not sure if talking about EC will get a warnng but here goes.
They were talking about Project 10 Dollar. The discussion is deeper than this but here's the relevant stuff.
Used games earn the company $0 so EA includes a code that allows access to DLC content. Code only works once so if you buy a used game you have to go online and pay $10 to get the extra DLC for yourself.
Of course if Gamestop are giving the stuff away for free with the used copy then the company gets nothing again.
As I said, there's more to this I know but what's better. Go online and give Rocksteady cash for the DLC or take gamestops free code and know that the makers of BATMAN FUCKING ARKHAM CITY (You know, that beautiful game we're drooling over) will get nothing for your purchase.
Shall we screw over Bethesda in the same way? Bungie? Blizzard? And these are just the big names.
Think of that game you love, that one you've become a fan of on facebook, ranted about on forums told all your friends about. The one you've excluded other friends or family members for.
How do you feel to know that when you purchased that game used that you contributed nothing to the developers?
It really is. In the UK game shops when you try and buy a new copy of a game, they try and persuade you to buy a second hand copy that is only £5 cheaper than the new title. That, in my opinion, is worse than putting a download code in new games. What idiot buys a second hand game for £35 when a new copy costs £40? Second hand, in my opinion, is a game thats less than £20. In the end, if everyone bought second hand then new sales and low and thus a new Batman wont be made due to crappy sales. But atleast those people saved £5. Well done.poiumty said:
...Aprilgold said:
You do realize that means the only way your game will sell at that store will be for second hand profits then, right?
Sure, they may not be able to sell copies at launch, but they'll offer some deal, and then get used copies which they'll sell back.
Similiar to pirates. They want to play the game. But they dont want to pay for it. But with end hand gaming they want to save a few £/$s and still expect to get everything that comes with new. And as we all know 2nd copies of new games are only £5 cheaper - so if these people are bitching over saving a whole £5 at launch. When, if you think about it, thats shows that they are letting shops like Gamestop sell them a second hand title for nigh on full price. Now why dont these idiots complain about that?Dascylus said:
Excellent comment and definitely wins something. A Catwoman cookie?StarCecil said:
You have summed up everything in one common sense sentence. If you want to buy something, look at all the options and make your purchase based on that. Once you made your choice, you cant ***** about what stuff your missing out on because you chose to not buy it new to save money.
Normally I'd be against this and I'm going to pay full price for the game anyway but if WB is going to jerk gamers about by making used buyers pay extra for something that was advertised as being part of the full game and not as DLC then I don't think they deserve the money of those who buy used. I mean really. Was the Robin DLC not enough? Even people who didn't pre-order the game will have to pay to play as Robin so the people who bought it used will probably be willing to pay for that. Not to mention most of the people who will buy it used will most likely a) be unsure of whether to buy the game or not and thus play it safe by buying it used so if the game is bad the loss won't be such a big deal or b) be in an awkward financial situation and buy the game used to save money and besides used sales are unlikely to become a problem until several weeks after release.
DISCLAIMER: Let me make it perfectly clear that Warner Bros would have had my full support if they hadn't advertised Catwoman as a selling point. If there had been no mention of her until now it would have felt like a reward for people buying the game full price but when you market Catwoman as a selling point you convince buyers to expect her to be in the game regardless of whether you pay full price or not and as a result it feels less like a reward for full-pricers and more like the publisher is playing keep-away with the used buyers. I would have RAGED about what Gamestop is doing if Warner Bros hadn't pulled this but with the way WB has handled this I'm afraid I can't help but feel that they've brought it upon themselves. That's why I feel I have to take Gamestop's side. Not because I'm against the publishers making money off of used sales but because they did it in a way that bait-and-switches the consumers. If it's not false advertising it's pretty damn close. I really want to support the publishers in this but the way they've handled things, they've turned me against them. When I buy Arkham City it will be because I want to support Rocksteady, not the publishers
Look people, I know that used sales cost the producers money and it may be easy to think of used buyers as cheapskates who aren't willing to support the publisher but at the end of the day gamers have to eat too and sometimes they're just not sure if a game is worth paying a whole $60 for or they just want to save some money and they have every right to do so. I've heard the argument that developers and producers don't owe us anything (unless you count the fact buying their games keeps them afloat and puts food on their table but I don't know, maybe some people don't think that counts) and that may be true but if that is the case then if they can complain about how gamers buying used is costing them money gamers can complain about how they feel screwed over by the way publishers counter that loss.
DISCLAIMER: Let me make it perfectly clear that Warner Bros would have had my full support if they hadn't advertised Catwoman as a selling point. If there had been no mention of her until now it would have felt like a reward for people buying the game full price but when you market Catwoman as a selling point you convince buyers to expect her to be in the game regardless of whether you pay full price or not and as a result it feels less like a reward for full-pricers and more like the publisher is playing keep-away with the used buyers. I would have RAGED about what Gamestop is doing if Warner Bros hadn't pulled this but with the way WB has handled this I'm afraid I can't help but feel that they've brought it upon themselves. That's why I feel I have to take Gamestop's side. Not because I'm against the publishers making money off of used sales but because they did it in a way that bait-and-switches the consumers. If it's not false advertising it's pretty damn close. I really want to support the publishers in this but the way they've handled things, they've turned me against them. When I buy Arkham City it will be because I want to support Rocksteady, not the publishers
Look people, I know that used sales cost the producers money and it may be easy to think of used buyers as cheapskates who aren't willing to support the publisher but at the end of the day gamers have to eat too and sometimes they're just not sure if a game is worth paying a whole $60 for or they just want to save some money and they have every right to do so. I've heard the argument that developers and producers don't owe us anything (unless you count the fact buying their games keeps them afloat and puts food on their table but I don't know, maybe some people don't think that counts) and that may be true but if that is the case then if they can complain about how gamers buying used is costing them money gamers can complain about how they feel screwed over by the way publishers counter that loss.
Ha ha. Stupid, arbitrary BS countered with good old stupid arbitrary BS. Well played gamestop, well played. Suck it, WB.
IF Gamestop are buying the DLC from EA to package with the used titles, then who's losing out?
EA are getting their cut of used games, if Gamestop sell it new, they'll probably get some of them back to resell, and if they buy it used, I'm sure Gamestop will price the used copies at:
Regular price + Catwoman code price + profit, thererfore Gamestop are fine too.
Personally I've got enough games, but I would like to play it, so I'll be looking for a discount in the Steam January sale, or I'll wait for it to dip under £15 on the PC. No, I won't really care if I get the Catwoman bit or not, but I do feel it's rather dishonest to feature Catwoman in the trailers if she's not part of the main game, however.
EA are getting their cut of used games, if Gamestop sell it new, they'll probably get some of them back to resell, and if they buy it used, I'm sure Gamestop will price the used copies at:
Regular price + Catwoman code price + profit, thererfore Gamestop are fine too.
Personally I've got enough games, but I would like to play it, so I'll be looking for a discount in the Steam January sale, or I'll wait for it to dip under £15 on the PC. No, I won't really care if I get the Catwoman bit or not, but I do feel it's rather dishonest to feature Catwoman in the trailers if she's not part of the main game, however.
Good, assuming gamestop is buying those codes, i hope that strategy sticks and fundamentalists stop whining about how producers dont get a cent off used sales.
I think people here who think that WB/EA can't or won't do anything about this have forgotten quite a few factoids.
1. EA/WB has control over their products digital downloads on XBL and PSN.
2. They ultimately hold the cards over which codes do what as far as downloads.
3. Gamestop has no authority except that which the publishers give them for DLC. They CANNOT just print their own codes. The only way they can do something is by copying the DLC codes from new copies (thereby stealing from new buyers).
So in the end you are either complicit in stealing from new buyers, and thus are pieces of shit no better than the corporations you claim to hate, or you're clueless as hell and know nothing of how these online codes work and are still giving your money to WB/EA in the end. Because thats the only way Gamestop can get these codes.
1. EA/WB has control over their products digital downloads on XBL and PSN.
2. They ultimately hold the cards over which codes do what as far as downloads.
3. Gamestop has no authority except that which the publishers give them for DLC. They CANNOT just print their own codes. The only way they can do something is by copying the DLC codes from new copies (thereby stealing from new buyers).
So in the end you are either complicit in stealing from new buyers, and thus are pieces of shit no better than the corporations you claim to hate, or you're clueless as hell and know nothing of how these online codes work and are still giving your money to WB/EA in the end. Because thats the only way Gamestop can get these codes.
Wow, EA isn't the developer or the publisher, and yet they're making money off of this?SenseOfTumour said:
Those crafty bastards....
Sorry, I just couldn't resist
Guilty as charged, I referred to the one above meCM156 said:
Just goes to show how easy it is to just assume it's the usual suspects however.
I think it goes to me... I referred to the EC episode about project 10 dollar in my post and EA must've got dragged into the melee.
I'll check my post but I don't think I was too unclear.
My bad.
Edit - Have now re-read my post... I wasn't unclear in my opinion.. But for the record EA are not involved in Batman Arkham Asylum. They just have their own way of making money from used games.
I'll check my post but I don't think I was too unclear.
My bad.
Edit - Have now re-read my post... I wasn't unclear in my opinion.. But for the record EA are not involved in Batman Arkham Asylum. They just have their own way of making money from used games.
and yet people will still find something to ***** about gamestop.
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Eh. i think its nice that they're doing this. the $10 pass system is really negative and feels more like punishment then actual reward. Its not like Warner Bros wont miss the money anyway. Kinda makes me feel good about giving my money to them.
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Eh. i think its nice that they're doing this. the $10 pass system is really negative and feels more like punishment then actual reward. Its not like Warner Bros wont miss the money anyway. Kinda makes me feel good about giving my money to them.