Gaming: Art or Addiction?

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[link]http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article07151001.aspx[/link]

This is a bloody weird article. A friend of mine sent it to me as part of our ongoing debate about whether games can be called art (I'm for, he's against, for the record). I was following it perfectly well (and it was making some good points about how a game can immerse you and affect your emotions) up until the point it stopped being about art and started being a lecture on the addictive properties of gaming and how it can divorce you from reality. According to the below quote, this guy eventually got to a point where he was snorting coke to stay awake and play more video games! At that point I had to scroll back up to check whether this Tom Bissell is a fictional character, but no, it seems that this guy really is that crazy.

By the last chapter of the book, Tom has become overwhelmed by the video game experience. "These days," he says, "I play video games in the morning, play video games in the afternoon, and spend my evenings playing video games." He starts doing large amounts of cocaine so that he can continue playing games. The addiction to video games and cocaine merge into a single beast. Still, in the classic addict's move, he defends games, his first mistress. Admitting that video games feed his "love of solitude," he wants to maintain a distinction between games and cocaine. "The crucial difference is that I believe in what video games want to give me, while the bequest of cocaine is one I loathe and distrust."
OK buddy, you know what? You feel cut off from life and as if video games are the only way you can feel anything? I'm going to guess that's the SODDING COCAINE! I've known a fair few gamers in my time, and even the most hardcore of them never took drugs so they could keep playing. To enjoy playing while fucked up, sure, or just happened to be playing games while high, but they never tried to pretend that the games were the root cause of the drug use. It sounds to me like this guy is trying to avoid saying "I'm a drug addict" by blaming his other "addiction". I personally don't believe that his gaming habit is an addiction.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware that video game addiction exists, but in just about every case I've read about the addict is hooked on a certain game; WoW, Modern Warfare, Starcraft etc. They don't seem to be addicted to video games as a medium because that is not how addiction works! A drug addict is addicted to a drug, not all drugs. Give a heroin addict some hayfever medication and see if he enjoys that as much as his smack. Sure, they'll get high on something different when they can't find their drug of choice, but it isn't what they're craving. These game addicts fixate on a certain game and play it to death, in some cases their own literal death, but the addiction is to the game rather than video games in general.

The promise of the video game, what keeps Bissell coming back, is the promise of a real experience - a rich and meaningful connection to the world. But this promise is structured as a trick. That is what Wallace pointed out about the devilish structure of television: Like TV, video games promise to give without being able to. Instead, they create further isolation and loneliness, and thus a greater need for connection. They create the problem they aim to solve, driving in a vicious cycle ever downward. For all his awareness of what the vicious cycle is doing, Bissell cannot stop playing and the hundreds of hours keep piling up
There's such a strong emphasis in this book/article on gaming being something lonely, something to replace human interaction with simulated characters. This attitude totally ignores online gaming and MMOs, not to mention the sheer number of - very busy - forums and comments sections (hi guys!) where people go to talk about video games. I'm not quite sure how he's managed to miss this stuff; he claims to have been gaming for a long time, and to spend most of his time playing games, but has apparently remained ignorant of the massive social networks that exist within the gaming culture.

Even if you only apply his words to single-player games, then the problem seems to lie with him rather than the games. I don't feel lonely playing a game unless the game (I'm looking at you here, Fallout 3) is specifically attempting to create the sensation of being small and alone in a big empty world. Earlier in the article he's quoted as saying that gaming can be so immersive that "you lose track of your manipulation of it, and its manipulation of you, and instead feel inserted so deeply inside the game that your mind, and your feelings, become as essentially crucial to its operation as its many millions of lines of code". How does that stack up? If you're so immersed that the world feels real and you find yourself caring what happens to the characters, what keeps it from being a "real experience"? You still feel the same emotions, you still react to new information, you still care about what happens within this virtual world. That, to me, is a real experience; something that makes me feel.

Oh, and one more thing; when the fuck did a video game promise "a rich and meaningful connection to the world"?! Video games are escapism, the same as books and movies and, of course, drugs are. They are a distraction from the real world, a way to get away into a story that is not your own, not a way to enhance your own life. If you want a rich and meaningful connection to the world, go get laid or get pissed with your mates, but if you just want to spend a few hours having fun and forgetting your problems, play a game.

Am I just crazy, or is this article a big pile of crazy gibbering?
 

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Wait... What? That was a confusing read right there. I may have to go back and see if my mind can sort it out whilst I scratch my brain. I'll be back!

EDIT: I read it again and all I can come up with is that yes... It is a pile of crap... Urrr need to soak my brain.
 

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StANDY1338 said:
Well everything is addictive I suppose and wow is as bad for you as heroin.
I don't think WoW is as bad as heroin, but I don't disagree that it's addictive. My issue with this guy's claim is that he claims to be addicted to video games in general rather than a specific game. Inferring that even if someone hands him a steaming pile of shit packaged as a game, he'll still sit down and play it for hours because he's addicted to the medium. Oh, and also, the coke addiction part. I honestly doubt his problems with cocaine started because he needed it so he could stay up late playing games. That smells like an excuse to me, and a lame one.

comadorcrack said:
Wait... What? That was a confusing read right there. I may have to go back and see if my mind can sort it out whilst I scratch my brain. I'll be back!
I look forward to your return!
 

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To me, the best argument for games being art is that they drag people into compelling fantasies that they care more about than their normal lives. It's not just random bullshit that in Super Mario 64 you enter the play areas by jumping through large paintings.

That said I still don't care. This quest for validation and legitimacy from people we perceive as being fascist guards on the gate of the promised land of art leaves me cold. They don't matter, it doesn't matter.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
[link]http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article07151001.aspx[/link]

If you're so immersed that the world feels real and you find yourself caring what happens to the characters, what keeps it from being a "real experience"? You still feel the same emotions, you still react to new information, you still care about what happens within this virtual world. That, to me, is a real experience; something that makes me feel.
well to me thats a good game and i dont think im an addict... i sware ill quit tommorow!!! you'l see you will all see!!!!!

seriously though games being addicting (as a whole i know wow is addicting and stuff) is not right i love them like i love snow :(which is a lot) but i dont need either of them
 

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You could argue books, movies and art are addictions.
Doesn't Roger Ebert watch movies daily?
Don't art critics view art daily, peering into every detail and tearing it apart and putting it back together?
Don't millions of people, right now, post endless word after word, letter after letter on the Internet and millions of other people read it?

If games are an addiction, so is every other form of escapism.
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
That said I still don't care. This quest for validation and legitimacy from people we perceive as being fascist guards on the gate of the promised land of art leaves me cold. They don't matter, it doesn't matter.
I don't think it's so much a quest for validation as it is for recognition; we already know that we love games, and we know why. We know how they make us feel. My major issue with Ebert was that he dismissed the possibility of games being art without actually experiencing any of what (in my opinion) makes them art. It became such a hot topic because gamers wanted recognition of the fact that their views mattered too.

That said, the point of the original post was less about the 'games as art' argument and more about dissecting what I found to be a very strange article.

Booze Zombie said:
You could argue books, movies and art are addictions.
Doesn't Roger Ebert watch movies daily?
Sure, but that's his job. He does it because he loves movies and because he gets paid for it, not because he's addicted. I highly doubt that he craves movies, feels incapable of going a day without watching a movie, or neglects his wife or social life because he'd rather be watching movies. Game critics play video games daily, but I doubt most of them would think of themselves as addicts.

Don't art critics view art daily, peering into every detail and tearing it apart and putting it back together?
Don't millions of people, right now, post endless word after word, letter after letter on the Internet and millions of other people read it?

If games are an addiction, so is every other form of escapism.
I have to say, I've never seen anyone become addicted to a book in the way people get addicted to WoW or Call of Duty. To the extent that they shut down the rest of their lives, forgoing food and sleep, just to read more books. You seem to be mistaking having a passion for something with being addicted to it.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
You seem to be mistaking having a passion for something with being addicted to it.
That's the point I was getting at, people seem to be confusing things, like the strange article.
I don't think it's an addiction unless you've got an addictive personality, much in the same way marijuana is only addictive in the sense of force of habit and no actual chemical dependence.

How do I figure this?
I have a pretty addictive personality and I've focused a lot of my spare time into playing video games.
But, I'm apparently not too common, as a lot of my friends often have to go do something else instead of sitting around playing on Live for hours, so I'm thinking gaming = addiction is crud.
You become addicted to gaming because the way you function is through addiction, if you don't function that way, then you're not addicted.
 

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Booze Zombie said:
That's the point I was getting at, people seem to be confusing things, like the strange article.
Ah, my mistake, I had it backwards.

Booze Zombie said:
I don't think it's an addiction unless you've got an addictive personality, much in the same way marijuana is only addictive in the sense of force of habit and no actual chemical dependence.
I think it becomes addiction when it interferes with the ordinary progression of your life. When you start choosing gaming over everything else, when you literally cannot force yourself to put the controller down, it's an addiction.

Booze Zombie said:
How do I figure this?
I have a pretty addictive personality and I've focused a lot of my spare time into playing video games.
But, I'm apparently not too common, as a lot of my friends often have to go do something else instead of sitting around playing on Live for hours, so I'm thinking gaming = addiction is crud.
You become addicted to gaming because the way you function is through addiction, if you don't function that way, then you're not addicted.
The article isn't saying that gaming = addiction (and neither am I), it is saying that it is possible to become addicted to games. We know that it is, because there have been well-documented examples. In this guy's case, though, I think he's attempting to blame gaming for his cocaine addiction. Why would you start snorting coke to stay awake unless you were already intending to snort coke? Most of us would down a Red Bull or make some coffee if we were going to spend all night gaming.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
StANDY1338 said:
Well everything is addictive I suppose and wow is as bad for you as heroin.
I don't think WoW is as bad as heroin, but I don't disagree that it's addictive. My issue with this guy's claim is that he claims to be addicted to video games in general rather than a specific game. Inferring that even if someone hands him a steaming pile of shit packaged as a game, he'll still sit down and play it for hours because he's addicted to the medium. Oh, and also, the coke addiction part. I honestly doubt his problems with cocaine started because he needed it so he could stay up late playing games. That smells like an excuse to me, and a lame one.

comadorcrack said:
Wait... What? That was a confusing read right there. I may have to go back and see if my mind can sort it out whilst I scratch my brain. I'll be back!
I look forward to your return!

WoW Is as bad as heroin... My friend picked it up and literally stopped talking to everyone. I called her up the other day and she tried to talk to me on the phone WHILE she had a chatspeak headphone on... She wouldn't put don the game for a phone call. She's pushed all of her friends away, get really pissed if anyone walks into her room while she's playing (about 10-16 hours per day) and says we hold her back from her potential in life...

Look at how people are getting into MW2 (I'm so sorry for using this as yet ANOTHER example), but people are constantly playing it... I mean, one of the "biggest" video game scams was that itzlupo V.S. the pro case... people on youtube were making videos left and right at it... In a country where normally less than 40% of it's people vote on a president, it's sad to see them get so riled up over video games...

Yes, videogames CAN be addictive. I don't know about the cocaine. I'm personally against it and think there is no excuse to ever take it, but my ex girlfriend got high and killed herself, so I'm a tad bit biased... Maybe he was tired one day after playing videogames and "needed" (sarcasm) it for a boost and got hooked...

Videogames are an aesthetic addiction. They make you "Happy" so you play them for long hours until that is all you do. Cocaine is a chemical addiction, but the same effect could be reached with coffee...
 

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Neither to me.

I don't find games to be art, but nor do I find books, films or poems to be art.

And personally, I'm not an addict - although it's possible to get addicted. But I think that would already involve you having social problems and whatnot.
 

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Sure gaming can be addicting, just like everything else. However I can find no way to ever deny the FACT that games are art.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
The article isn't saying that gaming = addiction (and neither am I), it is saying that it is possible to become addicted to games.
Then that's my mistake, sorry about that.

To the rest of your paragraph there:
Perhaps then, I am not addicted to gaming and am not quite as experienced in addiction as I previously thought.
I play games with all my spare time, but my focus is having fun and enjoying myself, not the games themselves... I eat, I drink, I wash and if my house was burning, a family member yelled for help, a minor noise happened in the background or I otherwise noticed I should go do something important for someone else, I would stop playing my games.

I could never imagine becoming so self-obsessed as to abandon everything in the pursuit of one thing.
The obsessed fellow's actions lead me to say that I think he had a problem with addiction not linked to any individual object, his addictions were effects, the cause was his personality.

My God, I sound like a drama student...
 

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Games can be art, or <url=http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted_p1.html>they can be designed with addiction in mind.

Two sides of a coin.
 

SonicWaffle

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Yes, videogames CAN be addictive. I don't know about the cocaine. I'm personally against it and think there is no excuse to ever take it, but my ex girlfriend got high and killed herself, so I'm a tad bit biased... Maybe he was tired one day after playing videogames and "needed" (sarcasm) it for a boost and got hooked...

Videogames are an aesthetic addiction. They make you "Happy" so you play them for long hours until that is all you do. Cocaine is a chemical addiction, but the same effect could be reached with coffee...
Well, not quite; a lot of people feel more confident and happy when they take cocaine as well as it keeping them alert. I used to drink coffee when pulling gaming all nighters and after a certain point it just makes you feel as if something died in your mouth - you feel rough as hell, you're awake but shambling like a zombie. Then again, all cocaine ever did for me was keep me awake and make me paranoid.

Still, I don't like the fact he blames the video games for his cocaine use. That's just crazy.

Booze Zombie said:
Perhaps then, I am not addicted to gaming and am not quite as experienced in addiction as I previously thought.
I play games with all my spare time, but my focus is having fun and enjoying myself, not the games themselves... I eat, I drink, I wash and if my house was burning, a family member yelled for help, a minor noise happened in the background or I otherwise noticed I should go do something important for someone else, I would stop playing my games.
I love my games too, but I don't play them every day. I think if you get to a point where you're playing every day for many hours at a time, when you're choosing to game when you could be down the pub or with a lady friend, that's when it becomes addiction. When it starts to become more important to you than the rest of your life.

Booze Zombie said:
I could never imagine becoming so self-obsessed as to abandon everything in the pursuit of one thing.
The obsessed fellow's actions lead me to say that I think he had a problem with addiction not linked to any individual object, his addictions were effects, the cause was his personality.

My God, I sound like a drama student...
I'd have said psychology ;-)

tlozoot said:
Games can be art, or <url=http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted_p1.html>they can be designed with addiction in mind.

Two sides of a coin.
Or they could be both. Being addictive does not preclude the possibility of being artistic.

And yeah, I've read that article. Interesting read; have you seen the 'Why it's still not cool to admit you're a gamer' one?
 

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SonicWaffle said:
Or they could be both. Being addictive does not preclude the possibility of being artistic.

And yeah, I've read that article. Interesting read; have you seen the 'Why it's still not cool to admit you're a gamer' one?
I guess so, although I'd argue that if you're still playing after the fun and artistic impact has run out, you've entered the realm of addiction.

Yeah, I saw that one too. I enjoyed reading alot of the articles on that site.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
I love my games too, but I don't play them every day. I think if you get to a point where you're playing every day for many hours at a time, when you're choosing to game when you could be down the pub or with a lady friend, that's when it becomes addiction. When it starts to become more important to you than the rest of your life.
I don't have much of a life like that, nor do I want a life like that, so I play games.
Not really into drinking or going around looking for girls, so I replace doing all that with games and books and sitting around dreaming.
I don't know if that's addiction or me just replacing something with something else.