Gaming Hardware/concepts fails of 2010s

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Elvis Starburst said:
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again, did i ever say the Wii U wasn't a failure?

and how does the Wii U being more of a failure than the Xbox One and PS Vita make the Vita and Xbox One make them any less of the failures they are?
God dammit Yoshi, I had an entire post put together to defend you cause this dogpile of an argument this thread has become was stupid, but then you added that second sentence in an edit after I refreshed to make sure I had everything ready and your bias tilted towards the blatantly misguided.

Fuck's sake...
you were going to defend me?

well that would be a first and a once in a lifetime event now wouldn't it?
 

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Yoshi178 said:
you were going to defend me?

well that would be a first and a once in a lifetime event now wouldn't it?
I was gonna, yep, cause a comment or two were tilting towards the excessive and not exactly deserved. But again, you made that edit to your post, and calling the Xbox One a failure is... super fucking stupid and I just... scrapped the whole thing
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
I just thought it was funny the Wii U wasn't on any of the charts.
ok. good for you?...

Elvis Starburst said:
Yoshi178 said:
you were going to defend me?

well that would be a first and a once in a lifetime event now wouldn't it?
I was gonna, yep, cause a comment or two were tilting towards the excessive and not exactly deserved. But again, you made that edit to your post, and calling the Xbox One a failure is... super fucking stupid and I just... scrapped the whole thing
given that the switch has been on the market for not even half the amount of time that Xbox One has been on the market, the fact that Switch has already outsold the Xbox One, which everyone considered a big success is pretty funny. lol
 

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Yoshi178 said:
given that the switch has been on the market for barely even half the time that Xbox One has been on the market, the fact that Switch has already outsold the Xbox One, which everyone considered a big success is pretty funny. lol
Yes, but just because the Switch has outsold it, 40 million sales of a console is not the mark of a failure. And I was gonna bring attention to that point cause your initial comment seemed a little bit out of spite for the Xbox One.

But then your edit to your post by saying "and how does the Wii U being more of a failure than the Xbox One and PS Vita make the Vita and Xbox One make them any less of the failures they are?" was just... like... really? Really dude?

I had a little spark of "maybe it wasn't that bad" but then you made it that bad. Hence me getting rid of my initial defence. So... pffbt. Bleh
 

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Elvis Starburst said:
Yes, but just because the Switch has outsold it, 40 million sales of a console is not the mark of a failure.
maybe not in your opinion. lol
 

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Yoshi178 said:
maybe not in your opinion. lol
You know what WAS a failure by comparison? The Wii U, at 13.5 million.

Yeah, never mind, this thread direction was deserved >_> I don't even have a Xbox One, don't exactly have a horse in that race either. Just all became a pissing contest. Was gonna try and back you up a bit but ya screwed that up. I'm out
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Elvis Starburst said:
Yes, but just because the Switch has outsold it, 40 million sales of a console is not the mark of a failure.
maybe not in your opinion. lol
Damnit Yoshi, why do you keep saying ridiculous things that only make your own team look bad? By that logic, over half of Nintendo's home consoles are failures while Sony is 4 for 4, batting 1.000. Sony always wins, baby!!!

But seriously, I really couldn't care less whether my preferred brand sales more than another. I just couldn't not see the huge logical misstep in a Nintendo fan having the opinion that selling in the 40 millions is a failure.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
who are you trying to fool?
You can choose to believe it or not. I did say earlier that a post or two was rather excessive towards you. I intended to point them out and try to redirect the thread direction a little. But it all became a pissing contest between users while I was typing my response and now I'm more or less done with the whole thing
 

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Avnger said:
Aww did someone say mean things about daddy Nintendo?
Uhrm, that's an oddly hostile response. It wasn't him that brought up "being outsold by the Switch" as a particular mark of failure; it's valid to point out how that's not really an applicable or reasonable standard.
 

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Can we rip into the XBone's terrible, embarrassing launch instead of having a pointless argument? That sounds much more fun.
Remember how they said they weren't going to allow pre-owned games and then immediately backtracked when everyone told them to fuck off?
 

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09philj said:
Can we rip into the XBone's terrible, embarrassing launch instead of having a pointless argument? That sounds much more fun.
Remember how they said they weren't going to allow pre-owned games and then immediately backtracked when everyone told them to fuck off?
Agreed. The most awesome moment in the gaming audience. A giant f.u to anti-consumerism & a lesson no one should forget.
 

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Silvanus said:
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Aww did someone say mean things about daddy Nintendo?
Uhrm, that's an oddly hostile response.
Fair enough. It was a bit over the top.

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It wasn't him that brought up "being outsold by the Switch" as a particular mark of failure; it's valid to point out how that's not really an applicable or reasonable standard.
The switch hasn't just "outsold" the Wii U though. The Wii U has had it's total lifetimes sales tripled by all three of the current gen consoles. Hell, one has to go back to 1998 and the Dreamcast (the console that notoriously sunk Sega as a platform manufacturer) to find a home console that sold as poorly. It literally has sales numbers closer to the NES Classic and Super NES Classic ROM-bundle machines than the next highest selling console (the Gamecube which is also acknowledged as having a lackluster performance yet still sold almost twice as many consoles). To compare the Wii U's sales to the Xbone's is laughable at best. One of them (according to Yoshi's link) has sold five million fewer units than the Switch; the other has sold thirty-five million fewer with an extra year of time.
 

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Meiam said:
How about the wii U? Maybe wasn't the massive fail that was the Ouya, but definitely a step down from the wii. I heard the switch already outsold the wii U.

Can we throw in occulus/VR yet, or do we need to wait a few more years for that?

Motion control failling wasn't much of a surprise, everyone jump on the bandwagon thinking the wii open the way to a new market, but it was just a gimmick that caught on. Outside of wii sports, nobody really seem to give a crap about the motion control in general.
I just bought a Quest, so I'm probably pretty biased here, but honestly I'm really impressed with the technology and given three major competitors in the market (Steam, Sony, Facebook) I think things are gonna keep getting better. I originally thought the concept of VR was incredibly stupid for a person to own at home - who has a room with 2x2m dead space and options to wire up a a bunch of sensor pylons with total LOS? Makes sense for an arcade to have one, and you could probably wire up some interesting digital escape rooms with them, but when compared to the minimal space needed for any other console its a tough sell. On top of that the first run were just screens you plugged into your computer. Neat idea, but not being able to see my keyboard in a complex game or having 360 vision but being stuck sitting down didn't seem that great.

The thing I bought requires no pylons, has full range of movement (including walking around when I play in an area with room for it), is portable with no wires or special setup, and has functionality coming for controllerless play (it 'sees' you hands instead) and linking to a computer for higher graphics intensity games.

From the perspective of a guy who went from thinking VR was an overpriced monitor or a novelty for struggling arcades, this thing is a spaceflight beyond my expectations. The library of games for the Quest could absolutely be larger, and the promise of PC connectivity is the only reason I accepted that, but those games that do exist are reasonably high quality and in a number of cases are things that I enjoy replaying. The downside that runs me up a wall is the shortness of many of the games. I really hope that changes, but as of now barring games with intentionally infinite replayability (rhythm and so on) most of the games are way too short and often feature limited gameplay.
 

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Avnger said:
The switch hasn't just "outsold" the Wii U though. The Wii U has had it's total lifetimes sales tripled by all three of the current gen consoles. Hell, one has to go back to 1998 and the Dreamcast (the console that notoriously sunk Sega as a platform manufacturer) to find a home console that sold as poorly. It literally has sales numbers closer to the NES Classic and Super NES Classic ROM-bundle machines than the next highest selling console (the Gamecube which is also acknowledged as having a lackluster performance yet still sold almost twice as many consoles).
Yeah, but that's not the standard Meiam used, and the specific standard used was the point of contention.
 

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I think Stadia would take the honors here. Serves as a good reminder that this streaming bs is still way ahead of its time, if ever. Not something that can just be forced into existence and mass adoption. Have to fix the country?s infrastructure first, let alone making it cheap(er than physical ownership at least) and reliable.
 

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Silvanus said:
Avnger said:
The switch hasn't just "outsold" the Wii U though. The Wii U has had it's total lifetimes sales tripled by all three of the current gen consoles. Hell, one has to go back to 1998 and the Dreamcast (the console that notoriously sunk Sega as a platform manufacturer) to find a home console that sold as poorly. It literally has sales numbers closer to the NES Classic and Super NES Classic ROM-bundle machines than the next highest selling console (the Gamecube which is also acknowledged as having a lackluster performance yet still sold almost twice as many consoles).
Yeah, but that's not the standard Meiam used, and the specific standard used was the point of contention.
Yoshi knew full well that it was a comment on the Wii U's abysmal sales rather than just a simple "console X outselling console Y".
 

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Silvanus said:
Avnger said:
The switch hasn't just "outsold" the Wii U though. The Wii U has had it's total lifetimes sales tripled by all three of the current gen consoles. Hell, one has to go back to 1998 and the Dreamcast (the console that notoriously sunk Sega as a platform manufacturer) to find a home console that sold as poorly. It literally has sales numbers closer to the NES Classic and Super NES Classic ROM-bundle machines than the next highest selling console (the Gamecube which is also acknowledged as having a lackluster performance yet still sold almost twice as many consoles).
Yeah, but that's not the standard Meiam used, and the specific standard used was the point of contention.
Meiam wasn't setting any standards. Their post wasn't a logical proof; it simply made a one-off comparison as part of the larger point that "Wii U = failure."