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ShadowKatt said:
No matter how much you put into your computer, Crysis will still make it cry.

The Crysis games could bring NASA to its knees.

But you can play everything else =^-^= Have fun.
My brother's PC runs it smoothly. Opens instantly. It's astounding.
 

SpAc3man

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GPU is perfect. ATI has sorted their drivers since th HD4xxx series and Nvidia is too expensive for the performance they give compared to ATI equivalents.
 

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The Unworthy Gentleman said:
OH! Don't forget to factor in the cost of your OS. I suggest Windows XP, cheap, powerful, reliable and works with all modern games. If you're like me, then you'll have Ubuntu on a partition, but that's me.
XP No longer works with all games Games are starting to leave DirectX 9 behind off the top of my head Just Cause 2 is one of these games that need a minimum of DirectX 10. There are a few others also but ive only had 1 coffee so my brain is not in gear yet
 

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Power requirements are really not going to be an issue considering he is looking at getting a 700w PSU.

Heat is a non issue as he is getting an Antec 900, which when kept clean does a wonderful job of keeping everything nice and cool.

The question is what does he want out of a GPU?

If its to play the most games, with the highest rate of compatibility with the most features, then the 470 wins hands down against the 5850.

If people are just looking at ATI to be edgy then why buy an intel processor? Why not buy an AMD Processor, an AMD CPU and take advantage of a dragon setup?

I can understand why someone would buy an nVidia GPU and an AMD CPU... If you are only using your machine for gaming then it makes sense to buy only as much processor as you need to not bottleneck your GPU.

But buying an Intel CPU for an ATI GPU makes little to no sense for gaming, over powered CPU with a High Power GPU with compatibility and driver issues that cant run PhysX.

My question is... do you want the Video on the left, or the Video on the right?


as well as

http://www.gamephys.com/2009/12/29/7-physx-comparison-videos-you-need-to-watch/

If people are content seeing only half the visual effects on a game, why bother building a top of the line gaming PC? And if people are going to buy an ATI GPU, and then buy an nVidia card as a physics processor... why not save the money and buy an Nvidia card that can play the game and run the Physics at the same time?

Same price, same general performance, yet the nVidia card has CUDA, PhysX and a higher rate of compatibility.

If you were going to do something more with your computer than play games and serf for porn I could highly recommend an ATI GPU, but if your being honest with yourself and your spending the money to play games that look as pretty as you can afford, why handicap yourself over brand loyalty?

I am constantly switching back and forth between nVidia and ATI depending on who has the strongest hand of cards for this round and right now thats nVidia, the moment they are no longer king of the mountain I'm going back to ATI, Until ATI lose ground then its back to nVidia... That's the beauty of a free market, business and brands compete for YOUR money, and you benefit from the healthy competition.
I find most people i talk to about nvidia physx and really most dont care and even one or 2 say its an excuse to bump up prices.

me personally im like meh with nvidia physx and to be honest im still rather pissed at nvidia and there need to make devs slap there logo in my face with most games i start (regardless if it uses physx or not)

Not that Nvidia cards are bad, ive owned a few in my time but pure price to performance ratio ATi really beat the hell outta nvidia
 

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ShadowKatt said:
No matter how much you put into your computer, Crysis will still make it cry.

The Crysis games could bring NASA to its knees.

But you can play everything else =^-^= Have fun.
i can max crysis on my N-vid 250GTS
and it only cost me £110
 

Sebenko

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Looks good. The 900 is a nice case.

I don't think you'll need thermal paste though, if you want to save a fiver- My processor included a tube. Or maybe it was my mobo. Still, You should get a tube with one of those parts anyway.

Also, go for Windows 7 64-bit. I've upgraded from XP, and had no problems running games (hell, most of my old shortcuts worked straight away).

Don't forget to make sure that all the LEDs and case colours are consistent. The 900 is black with blue LEDs. You should buy a keyboard that is also black with blue back-lit keys. Everyone knows a stylish PC is faster.
 

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LightOfDarkness said:
mikecoulter said:
ShadowKatt said:
No matter how much you put into your computer, Crysis will still make it cry.

The Crysis games could bring NASA to its knees.

But you can play everything else =^-^= Have fun.
I wonder what Crysis 2 will be like on consoles...
Apparently, Crysis 2 is taking a step back in the graphical department.
It would need to take a rather large step back for the consoles considering Xbox360s are five years old (two years older than the original Crysis) and haven't been upgraded hardware wise since then. At least not as far as I'm aware.

But anyway that PC spec looks pretty good to me. I'm hardly an expert but it's better than my machine which can handle every game I've tried other than Fallout 3.

700W PSU does seem a bit overkill though.
 

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mikecoulter said:
Processor - Intel i5 750 @ 2.66ghz £159

Motherboard - Asus 1156 P7P55D S/L £96.24

Ram - Corsair DDR3 2x2GB 1600mhz £88.12

GPU - ATi Sapphire 5850 Vapor X 1gb £273.77


Hard Drive - Samsung HD103SJ1 1TB 7200RPM £47.50


Total - £815.01

Have you got any suggestions or tweaks to these specs? Thanks guys.
Iznat said:
Make damn sure the motherboard and processor fit together!
After that, it doesn't matter, but you can't really change them :p

Looks good though, good luck building it, and happy gaming ^_^
The i5 750 uses a 1156 socket so he's good there.

It all looks good, it should all work together fine. You'll be able to play every game ever made on max graphics and games to come for a year or so on max too.

But may I inquire as to where you're getting it all. The RAM is the same as mine but costing more. Here's the link if you want it, it's free delivery to the UK too, http://www.ebuyer.com/product/178943

OH! Don't forget to factor in the cost of your OS. I suggest Windows XP, cheap, powerful, reliable and works with all modern games. If you're like me, then you'll have Ubuntu on a partition, but that's me.
Oh thanks! I just priced it all on amazon.co.uk. I forgot to mention that I've already bought Windows 7 Home Premium for my house computers. :)
 

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Sebenko said:
Looks good. The 900 is a nice case.

I don't think you'll need thermal paste though, if you want to save a fiver- My processor included a tube. Or maybe it was my mobo. Still, You should get a tube with one of those parts anyway.

Also, go for Windows 7 64-bit. I've upgraded from XP, and had no problems running games (hell, most of my old shortcuts worked straight away).

Don't forget to make sure that all the LEDs and case colours are consistent. The 900 is black with blue LEDs. You should buy a keyboard that is also black with blue back-lit keys. Everyone knows a stylish PC is faster.
My computer theme has always been black and blue! I have a really nice blue light backlit keyboard and a rather lovely Gigabyte gaming mouse.

A fancy see through computer with lights once stole my girlfriend.
 

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GamesB2 said:
Just in the interest of saving money you don't need a quad core.

Dual will do fine. But if you definitely want that processor and it works well then sure.
If you want to max out, quad core is becoming a requirement.

Can't comment too much. My experience is with Intel/Nvidia builds, Although I may try out an ATI if my current build dies (no particular reason, I still like Nvidia. Just to try out something new)
 
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Kouen said:
XP No longer works with all games Games are starting to leave DirectX 9 behind off the top of my head Just Cause 2 is one of these games that need a minimum of DirectX 10. There are a few others also but ive only had 1 coffee so my brain is not in gear yet
Really? That's news to me. But then again I've been using a Windows 7 netbook for the past few months and haven't bothered to look at XP.

mikecoulter said:
Oh thanks! I just priced it all on amazon.co.uk. I forgot to mention that I've already bought Windows 7 Home Premium for my house computers. :)
Well then that's good because I was wrong about XP, it no longer works with all games and wouldn't help if you needed to upgrade.

Leonite7 said:
I don't mean to derail the thread but which of these setups do you think I should buy? I'm not looking for max graphics just decent FPS even if it's on low graphics. I'm getting the computers off of www.palicomp.co.uk. Any changes should be the ones from that website.

Build 1: Excalibur AMD HD24PRO Base Unit

CAREFREE WARRANTY: 1 Year Standard Return to Base
Q-JUMP: STANDARD BUILD & TEST PHASE - Upto 10 Working Days
AMD CPU: AMD AM3 AthlonII Quad Core 620 2.6Ghz Per Core = 10.4Ghz
CPU COOLING: STANDARD STOCK HEATSINK/FAN ON CPU
AMD BOARD: nVidia GeForce 8200 Supports AM3 & HT 5.2G & Quad Core
MEMORY: KINGSTON 4GB DDR2 800Mhz PC6400
PRIMARY HDD: Maxtor 500GB SATA2, 7200 RPM & 16MB Cache
SLAVE HDD: No Slave Hard Drive
PRIMARY OPTICAL: SONY 24XDVD+/-RW Lightscribe & Dual Layer
SLAVE OPTICAL: No Slave Optical Drive
GRAPHICS CARD: ATI Radeon HD2400PRO 1GB DX10 & Pixel4
CASES: Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Mid Tower Case
PSU: Standard PSU With Case
KEYBOARDS: None
SOFTWARE: Remove All Software
EXTRA SOFTWARE: None
MONITOR: None
CARD READER: NONE
NETWORKING: Internal Wireless LAN For Wireless Networking
PCI SLOT: NONE
PCI SLOT 2: NONE
SOUND CARD: ONBOARD Standard Min 5.1 Or 7.1
SPEAKERS: NONE
COOLING: NONE

Cost: Around ?460 without delivery costs.

Build 2: Excalibur Intel Base Unit

CAREFREE WARRANTY: 1 Year Standard Return to Base
Q-JUMP: STANDARD BUILD & TEST PHASE - Upto 10 Working Days
INTEL CPU: Intel Core2Quad Q8200 1333Mhz 2.33Ghz Per Core = 9.32Ghz
CPU COOLING: STANDARD STOCK HEATSINK/FAN ON CPU
INTEL BOARD: ASRock nVidia 7100P-M7 Quad Core Support Inc 1333Mhz FSB, 4x SATA, 6xUSB, PCI-E+2xPXI, LAN, 5.1 Audio
MEMORY: Samsung 4GB DDR2 800Mhz PC6400
PRIMARY HDD: Maxtor 500GB SATA2, 7200 RPM & 16MB Cache
SLAVE HDD: No Slave Hard Drive
PRIMARY OPTICAL: SONY 24XDVD+/-RW Lightscribe & Dual Layer
SLAVE OPTICAL: No Slave Optical Drive
GRAPHICS CARD: nVidia GeForce 9500GT 1024MB DX10 & Pixel4
CASES: Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Mid Tower Case
PSU: Standard PSU With Case
KEYBOARDS: None
SOFTWARE: Remove All Software
EXTRA SOFTWARE: None
MONITOR: None
CARD READER: NONE
NETWORKING: Internal Wireless LAN For Wireless Networking
PCI SLOT: NONE
PCI SLOT 2: NONE
SOUND CARD: ONBOARD Standard Min 5.1 Or 7.1
SPEAKERS: NONE
COOLING: NONE
Cost: Around ?500 without delivery
Neither. Do what me and Mike are doing and build your own. That way the computer will cost less and you can get both good graphics and good FPS for the same price. The small effort you need to put into it would allow you to have a much better computer for the same price or a much cheaper computer with the same specs.
 

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Volafortis said:
GamesB2 said:
Just in the interest of saving money you don't need a quad core.

Dual will do fine. But if you definitely want that processor and it works well then sure.
If you want to max out, quad core is becoming a requirement.

Can't comment too much. My experience is with Intel/Nvidia builds, Although I may try out an ATI if my current build dies (no particular reason, I still like Nvidia. Just to try out something new)[
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Yeah pretty much. A year ago going c2d was still a consideration, nowadays if you really want to save pennies on a gaming rig a triple core would be the bare minimum and since x3 cpus have low clock speeds, a quad core it is.

On a side note: I never understood why AMD didn't simply make faster phenonII x3 cpus.
Most modern games only fully utilize 3 cores and in many benches an x3 performs the same as a similarly clocked x4.

Smaller die size, cheaper, lower powerconsumption, less heat, more clock potential. It just makes no sense not to.
 

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GBlair88 said:
LightOfDarkness said:
mikecoulter said:
ShadowKatt said:
No matter how much you put into your computer, Crysis will still make it cry.

The Crysis games could bring NASA to its knees.

But you can play everything else =^-^= Have fun.
I wonder what Crysis 2 will be like on consoles...
Apparently, Crysis 2 is taking a step back in the graphical department.
It would need to take a rather large step back for the consoles considering Xbox360s are five years old (two years older than the original Crysis) and haven't been upgraded hardware wise since then. At least not as far as I'm aware.
iirc, crisis engine wasn't that refined. It took a gross amount of power, for not that much of a reward. Although it looked really good, the cost was fucking huge. They probably refined the engine so that it wasn't as much of a hungry little bastard as it was before. Also since it is in a city environment, you'll probably have to render less then a massive jungle.

So even a small step back should be able to make it work on consoles.
 

MorsePacific

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I approve. Looks like a real solid rig.

Watch out for the board, ASUS boards are prone to malfunction. Mine's never gone out, but I know plenty of people who've had their board just die.
 

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I have a horrible feeling that, despite rebuilding my PC a year ago, I may have to start again.

Best of luck with yours, Mike!

Wardy
 

mikecoulter

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The Unworthy Gentleman said:
Kouen said:
XP No longer works with all games Games are starting to leave DirectX 9 behind off the top of my head Just Cause 2 is one of these games that need a minimum of DirectX 10. There are a few others also but ive only had 1 coffee so my brain is not in gear yet
Really? That's news to me. But then again I've been using a Windows 7 netbook for the past few months and haven't bothered to look at XP.

mikecoulter said:
Oh thanks! I just priced it all on amazon.co.uk. I forgot to mention that I've already bought Windows 7 Home Premium for my house computers. :)
Well then that's good because I was wrong about XP, it no longer works with all games and wouldn't help if you needed to upgrade.

Leonite7 said:
I don't mean to derail the thread but which of these setups do you think I should buy? I'm not looking for max graphics just decent FPS even if it's on low graphics. I'm getting the computers off of www.palicomp.co.uk. Any changes should be the ones from that website.

Build 1: Excalibur AMD HD24PRO Base Unit

CAREFREE WARRANTY: 1 Year Standard Return to Base
Q-JUMP: STANDARD BUILD & TEST PHASE - Upto 10 Working Days
AMD CPU: AMD AM3 AthlonII Quad Core 620 2.6Ghz Per Core = 10.4Ghz
CPU COOLING: STANDARD STOCK HEATSINK/FAN ON CPU
AMD BOARD: nVidia GeForce 8200 Supports AM3 & HT 5.2G & Quad Core
MEMORY: KINGSTON 4GB DDR2 800Mhz PC6400
PRIMARY HDD: Maxtor 500GB SATA2, 7200 RPM & 16MB Cache
SLAVE HDD: No Slave Hard Drive
PRIMARY OPTICAL: SONY 24XDVD+/-RW Lightscribe & Dual Layer
SLAVE OPTICAL: No Slave Optical Drive
GRAPHICS CARD: ATI Radeon HD2400PRO 1GB DX10 & Pixel4
CASES: Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Mid Tower Case
PSU: Standard PSU With Case
KEYBOARDS: None
SOFTWARE: Remove All Software
EXTRA SOFTWARE: None
MONITOR: None
CARD READER: NONE
NETWORKING: Internal Wireless LAN For Wireless Networking
PCI SLOT: NONE
PCI SLOT 2: NONE
SOUND CARD: ONBOARD Standard Min 5.1 Or 7.1
SPEAKERS: NONE
COOLING: NONE

Cost: Around ?460 without delivery costs.

Build 2: Excalibur Intel Base Unit

CAREFREE WARRANTY: 1 Year Standard Return to Base
Q-JUMP: STANDARD BUILD & TEST PHASE - Upto 10 Working Days
INTEL CPU: Intel Core2Quad Q8200 1333Mhz 2.33Ghz Per Core = 9.32Ghz
CPU COOLING: STANDARD STOCK HEATSINK/FAN ON CPU
INTEL BOARD: ASRock nVidia 7100P-M7 Quad Core Support Inc 1333Mhz FSB, 4x SATA, 6xUSB, PCI-E+2xPXI, LAN, 5.1 Audio
MEMORY: Samsung 4GB DDR2 800Mhz PC6400
PRIMARY HDD: Maxtor 500GB SATA2, 7200 RPM & 16MB Cache
SLAVE HDD: No Slave Hard Drive
PRIMARY OPTICAL: SONY 24XDVD+/-RW Lightscribe & Dual Layer
SLAVE OPTICAL: No Slave Optical Drive
GRAPHICS CARD: nVidia GeForce 9500GT 1024MB DX10 & Pixel4
CASES: Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Mid Tower Case
PSU: Standard PSU With Case
KEYBOARDS: None
SOFTWARE: Remove All Software
EXTRA SOFTWARE: None
MONITOR: None
CARD READER: NONE
NETWORKING: Internal Wireless LAN For Wireless Networking
PCI SLOT: NONE
PCI SLOT 2: NONE
SOUND CARD: ONBOARD Standard Min 5.1 Or 7.1
SPEAKERS: NONE
COOLING: NONE
Cost: Around ?500 without delivery
Neither. Do what me and Mike are doing and build your own. That way the computer will cost less and you can get both good graphics and good FPS for the same price. The small effort you need to put into it would allow you to have a much better computer for the same price or a much cheaper computer with the same specs.
Yeah, it took me a while to realise, but when buying pre-built, there is always something they have skimped out on. Unless you're paying seriously more than the actual system is worth. A lot of the time, you're being fooled into believing that what you're buying is seriously top notch, whereas you're shelling out good money for two year old parts hastily put together for nothing but profit.

Both of those computer system's graphics cards are already vastly out dated and I couldn't recommend either to you. Please, look elsewhere. I'll PM you a good pre-built website...
 

mikecoulter

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MorsePacific said:
I approve. Looks like a real solid rig.

Watch out for the board, ASUS boards are prone to malfunction. Mine's never gone out, but I know plenty of people who've had their board just die.
I've been warned about that. It's almost making me consider changing... But they offer such easy overclocking...
 

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mikecoulter said:
MorsePacific said:
I approve. Looks like a real solid rig.

Watch out for the board, ASUS boards are prone to malfunction. Mine's never gone out, but I know plenty of people who've had their board just die.
I've been warned about that. It's almost making me consider changing... But they offer such easy overclocking...
I bought an ASUS board once. Never could get it to work. Different PC, hours of forum searching... The bastard just did not work. Wouldn't even power on.

I'm still using an MSi P35. Works fine, though I'm not sure I'd recommend one. They're functional, I suppose.
 

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mikecoulter said:
MorsePacific said:
I approve. Looks like a real solid rig.

Watch out for the board, ASUS boards are prone to malfunction. Mine's never gone out, but I know plenty of people who've had their board just die.
I've been warned about that. It's almost making me consider changing... But they offer such easy overclocking...
I have always used ASUS and I have never had any problems.. Or heard of people having some.