Gary McKinnon
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I think the US government should give him a job instead of locking him up...aren't they terrified of cyber-warfare?
On a more serious note; at the end of the day he broke the law, and therefore must be punished. I don't agree, however, that he should be sentenced in America. He's a British citizen and he performed the crime in Britain, therefore I see no reason as to why he must be sentenced in the US.
On a more serious note; at the end of the day he broke the law, and therefore must be punished. I don't agree, however, that he should be sentenced in America. He's a British citizen and he performed the crime in Britain, therefore I see no reason as to why he must be sentenced in the US.
While I don't condone breaking into the laughably insecure American government systems (anymore) I think this media circus is really getting out of hand. Yes, he broke the law, but also, no, he will not do it again, no harm (besides shame on the USA network sysadmins) no foul.
he broke the law, he should got to jail, pretty simple
i've got no real sympathy for him since he knew what he was doing and willfully did it
i've got no real sympathy for him since he knew what he was doing and willfully did it
You did read that he has asperger's syndrome right? They pursue interests compulsively so it's questionable whether he should be held entirely responsible for his actions.cleverlymadeup said:
Yes he should be punished but I'm not certain how. I doubt a jail or severe fine is suitable for this sort of thing.
yeah i did and people with asperger's syndrome can be very high functioning and know what they are doing, Dan Ackroyd has itlostclause said:
it's nice people want to hide behind things but he knew what he was doing and he knew what he was doing was wrong, that means he's able to face the music and stand trial
actually most countries have the death sentence for acts such as that, so no it's not very unreasonableBarciad said:
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Hacking should never, never warrant the death penalty even a supporter of it should see that. What damage has he caused that is so severe he would need to be sent to America? A hacker, he claims he was only seeking documents so whats the danger? Has he sold information, what pages did he access surley a bloody word document listing what he did/saw/damaged would not be so hard to print our and send overseas to Britain hell I'll do it for them if they're that incompotant.
Furthermore he is a British citizen he belongs to our country and should be judged by our countries laws and jurisdiction for a nation that supposedly shares a "special relationship" with America it sure seems like we just sit down and give them whatever they want. Britain still requires VISA checks to get into America for minor criminal offences, we hand over our prisoners, our government refuses to say no and participates in wars with less than 30% public support what about that is a good relationship.
That and if his asperger's is really that bad I can relate should he go to prison yes but a British prison under fair jurisdiction after Americas Guantanamo fiasco and the torture leak they are not deserving of our trust or leniency now if only Mr Brown would grow a pair.
/rant
Actually your wrong less than 60 countries in the world still activley use the death penalty many of them religiously governed, impovrished or overpopulated (see china)cleverlymadeup said:
Hacking should never, never warrant the death penalty even a supporter of it should see that. What damage has he caused that is so severe he would need to be sent to America? A hacker, he claims he was only seeking documents so whats the danger? Has he sold information, what pages did he access surley a bloody word document listing what he did/saw/damaged would not be so hard to print our and send overseas to Britain hell I'll do it for them if they're that incompotant.
Furthermore he is a British citizen he belongs to our country and should be judged by our countries laws and jurisdiction for a nation that supposedly shares a "special relationship" with America it sure seems like we just sit down and give them whatever they want. Britain still requires VISA checks to get into America for minor criminal offences, we hand over our prisoners, our government refuses to say no and participates in wars with less than 30% public support what about that is a good relationship.
That and if his asperger's is really that bad I can relate should he go to prison yes but a British prison under fair jurisdiction after Americas Guantanamo fiasco and the torture leak they are not deserving of our trust or leniency now if only Mr Brown would grow a pair.
/rant
actually it's considered an attack on a military institution and an act of war, both the UK and Canada have the death penalty for only those things, since it's a military crime and not a civilian one.Nmil-ek said:
also the United States still have the death penalty, so your arguments aren't holding up too well. it is very common for both Britain and the States to give up prisoners to one another, it's called extradition treaties
he's going to jail and he deserves it, he seems high functioning enough that he knows what he did was wrong and is scared to death of going to jail so he's fighting not to go. as for having asperger's that's no real excuse as you can easily live a normal life with it, as i've said already Dan Ackroyd suffers from it, it's not overly debilitating like autism is, if he was autistic, then yes he shouldn't but he's not so away to jail he goes
The United States falls under one of the categorys I have listed, dont bother pointing out your constitutions seperation of church and state we both know its a christian governed/run country. And how does one country nullify my statement? Its still a fact that 2/3rds of the civilised world no longer condone the death penalty less than 60 countries my point stands.cleverlymadeup said:
Jail I agree, In our country not America we both know if he goes there hes going to get unfair treatment or a rediculous sentance and a hacker does not deserve the smae treatment as a terrorist or murdarer he has caused no physical I'll. No ~I dont care if its classified as an act of war it was a guy on his computer being where he should not be, however until America states what the damages are I'm saying deportation is bullshit. An archaic law, unfit for the modern age like the death penalty in my eye's still because an unelected tit makes the calls not like it will change anything.
actually i'm not american, so there goes another one of your assumptions. however you missed me saying the UK and Canada both have the death penalty for causing damage to a military complex, this includes computers.Nmil-ek said:
oh and the damages were over $800 000 dollars and majour repairs had to be done to all their systems. it actually says so in the article which you haven't read.
the fact is he committed a crime against another government, he deserves jail and he deserves to get extradited and sent to jail. as the saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time. there's no way to claim he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong, he knew what he was doing was wrong, therefore he can stand trial and go to jail