Gaymer Sub-Reddit Faces Legal Threat

[The White Hunter]

Oh god can we please stop using that abomination of English language completely? It's horrible.

I'm a gamer that is gay not a.. a.. gaymer.. I FEEL DIRTY. Though honestly I do thing things like this are counter productive, as with the women centric events, all it suits to do is create isolation really. We don't need "alliances" or other bullshit, we just need people to be accepting.

Well yeah, similar boat right about now except I'm bi...

On the other hand. David Hayter should be the new topic. Don't you agree?

 

[The White Hunter]

-'the Gaymer name is something I worked hard on'-

Really? I thought I came up with that one late one night drunk as hell...

...

Seriously tho, we aren't allowed to call out people of the gay community on anything without being labeled as homophobic or whatever, so I'll just sit back and watch this one play out.

I can't believe you pulled that quote and you didn't go for the jugular. I mean, it's just sitting there. WAITING.

And why, what have you tried calling out the gay community for? Shoving it down your throat? Waving it in your face?

Oh god the images they just won't stop/ Please tell me what you did there was intentional?

 

[Woodsey]

-'the Gaymer name is something I worked hard on'-

Really? I thought I came up with that one late one night drunk as hell...

...

Seriously tho, we aren't allowed to call out people of the gay community on anything without being labeled as homophobic or whatever, so I'll just sit back and watch this one play out.

I can't believe you pulled that quote and you didn't go for the jugular. I mean, it's just sitting there. WAITING.

And why, what have you tried calling out the gay community for? Shoving it down your throat? Waving it in your face?

Oh god the images they just won't stop/ Please tell me what you did there was intentional?

Hehe.

What do you think?

 

[The White Hunter]

-'the Gaymer name is something I worked hard on'-

Really? I thought I came up with that one late one night drunk as hell...

...

Seriously tho, we aren't allowed to call out people of the gay community on anything without being labeled as homophobic or whatever, so I'll just sit back and watch this one play out.

I can't believe you pulled that quote and you didn't go for the jugular. I mean, it's just sitting there. WAITING.

And why, what have you tried calling out the gay community for? Shoving it down your throat? Waving it in your face?

Oh god the images they just won't stop/ Please tell me what you did there was intentional?

Hehe.

What do you think?

Curse you and your inuendo! D: I am defeated.

Well not really. [/melodrama]

 

[antipunt]

how sexy Samus is in her zero suit,

Men and ladies, you have my approval right here

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DAFUQ

 

[Xanadu84]

This is NOT Edge all over again. Langdell outright extorted money out of people over the use of the word, "Edge" without any reason. He used it to make money, in situations where he was not protecting his trademark. This is closer to Obsidian and the, "Scrolls" debacle, though not even as bad as that. The term, "Gaymer" can be a commonly used word, but still a trademark, much like how Red Hot Chili Peppers could (And should) have trademarked, "Californication", so it would have a defense when people tried to capitalize on the songs name for there benefit, even though the term existed in the political sphere for a while before the song. This led to disaster for the band when the show, "Californication" came out. The show may not have intended harm, but had they trademarked the song name, they could have had legal options when they didn't like the use of the word.

The use of, "Gaymer" as a trademark has the potential to cost Vizzini. It's fair that he wants to keep his trademark. Of course clearly, a Reddit will not directly threaten his site. But failure to attack people using the term, "Gaymer" like a rabid dog may threaten his trademark, in much the same way that Obsidian really didn't care about, "Scrolls", but were obligated to go after Notch anyways. Thats the absurdity of copyright law: You are punished if you don't act like an asshole. With any luck, this can be resolved in a reasonable fashion, to the satisfaction of all parties. It's not until we start seeing threats and demands of outlandish payments out of proportion with what Vizzini needs to do to protect his copyright that we need to start getting angry.

In the meantime, we need to just amend the law so you arn't required to attack everyone in order to keep your trademark.

 

[Something Amyss]

As long as they keep it in appropriate places, it doesn't bother me. If I'm in a virtual world war 2, it's not what I'd consider the appropriate place to bring up gay rights.

Sucks to be you, then. You don't really get to dictate what goes on on the interwebs. So unless you're sequestered in single player in some corner of the world....

Because sexuality is such a hot topic in games? Mass Effect had the audacity to have one PG-13 rated hetro sex scenes, and holy shit, the fallout was huge. Most games I play involve various methods of killing, wars for survival, and lots of guns. Not sex of any variety.

Mass Effect got fallout because it was misrepresented. There was no fallout, for example, over God of War. ME was supposed to be the next Hot Coffee. That's pretty much the only reason people got up in arms.

No, it's easy to say "it doesn't matter" in a game about world war 2.

Thankfully, there were no gay soldiers in WW2. No, wait. Thankfully there were no GAYS in WW2.

A game where I can't even understand the soldiers (they are either Russian or German),

If you can't understand them, how do you know they're gay?

a game where it is completely multiplayer, and the only story is told in a quick blurb on the loading screen.

And do we really have any of those that say "you are a homosexual?" Is anyone REALLY demanding that?

It's war, you shoot at the enemies till they are all dead or you are killed.

That's not war, that's prepubescent male fantasy.

Red Orchestra 2 is the game I play the most, almost exclusively, with a break for Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 every so often. Now, if a single-player game with actual developed characters had a gay character, that's fine, I'd prefer they avoid the grating "flamer" stereotype, but otherwise, go crazy. But again I ask, in most games, what is the relevance of sexuality at all? Most games do NOT show sex or mention it. So the characters' orientations DO NOT MATTER.

If it doesn't matter, you would play a game where every soldier was gay, right?

It matters if it's forced.

And your definition of "forced" appears to be quite loose.

As far as sex goes, there are tons of games with heterosexual content without actual flirting. Love interests, flirting, innuendo. Lara Croft, the Boss from Saints Row, many characters in the Mass Effect Universe...Even if you never see a sex scene, heterosexuality is smeared all over the place. You're evidently okay with that.

 

[chiefohara]

Is he going to sue these guys as well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaymer_Cider_Company

http://www.gaymers.co.uk/

he'll have to sue everyone with the surname 'Gaymer' also, while he's at it.

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Gaymer

Good luck with that bud.

 

[Slayer_2]

Sucks to be you, then. You don't really get to dictate what goes on on the interwebs. So unless you're sequestered in single player in some corner of the world...

Actually I kind of can, I just ignore mute or kick whomever isn't responsible about when they bring up certain topics. Sure it still happens elsewhere, but if I don't see it, what is the harm?

Mass Effect got fallout because it was misrepresented. There was no fallout, for example, over God of War. ME was supposed to be the next Hot Coffee. That's pretty much the only reason people got up in arms.

They have to find the game for fallout to be created. These guys causing the stir aren't gamers, and as such are going to play many games. Either way, I think you can agree that killing and violence are much more common and accepted in games, for whatever reason.

Thankfully, there were no gay soldiers in WW2. No, wait. Thankfully there were no GAYS in WW2.

Yes, thank god all the game has is hot buxom babes making out with soldiers in the middle of a battlefield. Wouldn't want to catch teh gayz.

If you can't understand them, how do you know they're gay?

I don't, unless they scream "granada!" with a lisp...

And do we really have any of those that say "you are a homosexual?" Is anyone REALLY demanding that?

I dunno, someone somewhere probably has. Which is beside the point, is it then so much for me to ask that people keep certain topics out of games that have nothing to do with them? Not like it matters that much anymore, most servers now ban for discussing politics, religion, and sexuality.

That's not war, that's prepubescent male fantasy.

Riigghtt, I forgot, war is where you hug each other and talk about feelings.

If it doesn't matter, you would play a game where every soldier was gay, right?

In RO2 I wouldn't know unless they found a way to throw a gay sex scene in. Or put in subtitles as one of the soldiers comes out of the closet.

And your definition of "forced" appears to be quite loose.

Really, how so? I forgot where I defined it exactly, but please go ahead and explain that one for me?

As far as sex goes, there are tons of games with heterosexual content without actual flirting. Love interests, flirting, innuendo. Lara Croft, the Boss from Saints Row, many characters in the Mass Effect Universe...Even if you never see a sex scene, heterosexuality is smeared all over the place. You're evidently okay with that.

And there are a few gay characters too. Pretty sure ME3, Dragon Age 2, and Fallout 3 had them. You could argue not as many, and I'd agree, but there are more heterosexuals than homosexuals in real life, so makes sense if the same holds true in games. Plus the little thing that most games focus on killing and murder, not sexuality (although the occasional cutscene or minigame does get thrown in). Am I okay with sexuality in games? Yes, if done with some common sense.

 

[Something Amyss]

Actually I kind of can, I just ignore mute or kick whomever isn't responsible about when they bring up certain topics. Sure it still happens elsewhere, but if I don't see it, what is the harm?

Yes, what is the harm, guy who is arguing against it existing then arguing that he can just ignore it?

If it's so easy to ignore, maybe just...Ignore it?

They have to find the game for fallout to be created. These guys causing the stir aren't gamers, and as such are going to play many games. Either way, I think you can agree that killing and violence are much more common and accepted in games, for whatever reason.

Yes, well, it's a good thing no news media looked at God of War or the sequels...

*taps earpiece*

What's that? They did?

Large fuss over violence in game?

Religious arguments?

HUH.

Yes, thank god all the game has is hot buxom babes making out with soldiers in the middle of a battlefield. Wouldn't want to catch teh gayz.

Well, it's totally awesome the way you tried to shift the goalposts there....

I don't, unless they scream "granada!" with a lisp...

So...Your argument was completely baseless here? Good to know.

I dunno, someone somewhere probably has. Which is beside the point, is it then so much for me to ask that people keep certain topics out of games that have nothing to do with them?

Except your own examples of how games have nothing to do with them have fallen through. So you're not asking that, you're asking to be protected from things with a cop-out pretense of "no place."

Not like it matters that much anymore, most servers now ban for discussing politics, religion, and sexuality.

Then again, why is this such a burr up your butt?

Riigghtt, I forgot, war is where you hug each other and talk about feelings.

Ooh, more dishonesty.

In RO2 I wouldn't know unless they found a way to throw a gay sex scene in. Or put in subtitles as one of the soldiers comes out of the closet.

You didn't answer the question.

Really, how so? I forgot where I defined it exactly, but please go ahead and explain that one for me?

Hence "appears." You did read that part of the very sentence you just quoted, right?

but there are more heterosexuals than homosexuals in real life, so makes sense if the same holds true in games.

But you just claimed you didn't want sexuality in games, that it had no place.

Plus the little thing that most games focus on killing and murder, not sexuality

Which doesn't change the presence of the sexuality you are claiming doesn't happen in most games. Except it's there, even in those war games you're talking about. HUH.

 

[Captainanorach]

The word 'Gaymer' as a brand has been used since the 70's, and the name has been associated with cider since 1680
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaymer_Cider_Company

So i don't see how he could've trademarked the word seeing how it's quite an old brand. -_-

 

[Something Amyss]

The word 'Gaymer' as a brand has been used since the 70's, and the name has been associated with cider since 1680
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaymer_Cider_Company

So i don't see how he could've trademarked the word seeing how it's quite an old brand. -_-

Except, of course, the trademark doesn't deal with Cider, where Gaymer Cider Company's rights are located. A word can be used as a service mark in multiple fields by multiple people for different purposes. This is why you see "Spike" and "Edge" in multiple markets.

 

[Captainanorach]

The word 'Gaymer' as a brand has been used since the 70's, and the name has been associated with cider since 1680
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaymer_Cider_Company

So i don't see how he could've trademarked the word seeing how it's quite an old brand. -_-

Except, of course, the trademark doesn't deal with Cider, where Gaymer Cider Company's rights are located. A word can be used as a service mark in multiple fields by multiple people for different purposes. This is why you see "Spike" and "Edge" in multiple markets.

admittedly my legal knowledge isn't the best but to the everyman eg. myself, It has the faintest whiff of bullshit to it (the whole trademark thing)

 

[Autumnflame]

why cant we all just be gamers . irregardless of gender, age, race or sexual preference.

we should celebrate what we have in common. not trivial differences

 

[Something Amyss]

admittedly my legal knowledge isn't the best but to the everyman eg. myself, It has the faintest whiff of bullshit to it (the whole trademark thing)

Trademark laws are about 50% bullshit to begin with. A lot of them are worthless and arbitrary.

 

[ElPatron]

talk about how we love big Wii sessions

Still laughing at that.

When you drop into a discussion to say that making any comment that disagrees with something a gay person has said will be met with cries of "Homophobia," you are accusing all gay people of being unreasonable.

Most people who do that are apologists, not actually part of the ones they defend.

So no, he wasn't implying anything. Apologists exist everywhere.

 

[mxfox408]

Can I just say this?

"Gaymer" Is an incredibly lame ass pun and I would be embarrassed to be known as one. I mean isn't the whole point of all this tolerance/no-stereotype crap and what not supposed to be that your sexual orientation isn't your sole defining feature? So then why do you have to go to such lengths to make sure everyone knows your a gay gamer? The fact that you're gay shouldn't really matter, right?

I would disagree. Tolerance is about groups being able to be open to what they are and not facing ill judgement. Furthermore while sexual orientation is not a "sole defining feature" it is a hot topic when it comes to civil rights at the moment therefor it would be best if they are very open and make their presence known. Just think of the African American civil rights movement, if they did what you are suggesting it would have been a complete failure.
Sexuality does matter, not in a right or wrong way but it is part of people and that is what makes it valuable and why it should be respected and welcomed to be openly expressed.

the difference between the LBGT and the African American community is atleast the African Americans where far more mature at getting their point across(except when it comes to criticizing Obama haha) but let me get this straight they want to be included and not descriminated against yet they segregate themselves by forming gay group's only for gays? How do you fit logic in that? If your gay your gay l, so freaken what, and who cares about others opinions towards it, live you life and don't give a shit about what others think about your lifestyle, the fact that they are deliberately going out of their way to pretty much say "hey everyone look at me I'm gay" my response is and? Who cares. whoever had this site Name first should be awarded the rights to iT period!

 

[JSoup]

I actually wonder more at the people who are concerned over this becoming a derogatory term. Just running up to someone and yelling gaymer is no where near as acerbic as any other queer-centric insult.

(Yeah, I know, two week old thread, but I wanted to say that before it died out and I've been away from my computer for a few weeks.)

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