Gays and Homophobia
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I'm heterosexual and I'm fine with people being homosexuals and I'm fine with people being against homosexuals as long as both sides don't force their beliefs on me.
Also I think having a parade or holiday because of your sexuality or race is kinda bs. Lets face it, the majority of Americans/English/Australia are white heterosexuals, and white heterosexuals don't celebrate their race and/or sexuality yet it seems everyone else who is the minority of both fields finds it necessary to celebrate their race and/or sexuality.
Also I think having a parade or holiday because of your sexuality or race is kinda bs. Lets face it, the majority of Americans/English/Australia are white heterosexuals, and white heterosexuals don't celebrate their race and/or sexuality yet it seems everyone else who is the minority of both fields finds it necessary to celebrate their race and/or sexuality.
i personally do not believe people should be attacked for their sexuality, so i dont care if your gay, but two dudes making out is still gross to me
Gay pride festivals can be really helpful. They usually host places where people can go for advice on things like coming out and bullying, and generally teach people that they shouldn't be ashamed of their sexuality.Dimensional Vortex said:
It's also a great place for people to find other gay people, for a lot of people it can be really hard to find gay friends in their area.
Lastly it's just an excuse to party and have a nice time :3
Boring old straight guy, here, but I'm pro LGBT rights and such. That being said, Gay Pride Parades still annoy me. Not because it's Gay people "flaunting" it, but because they dress up like idiots. And no, I'm not talking about cross-dressing, I mean...well, I can't really explain. Have any of you seen the first episode of "Arrested Development"? I mean like that, but usually even more silly looking. Why can't they just dress normally? Wouldn't that better get the message across that "we're just like you"? That, and I used to live in New York and GODFUGGINGDAMMITIHATETRAFFIC!
Of course.Not G. Ivingname said:I never really understood pansexuality. I know it is supposed to be you guys don't care about gender or identity, but I don't really see how that is different from bisexuality...Felix said:I'm pansexual! Woo!
Care to Enlighten me?
"Bi" means two and "pan" (or "omni") means all. Isn't two sexes all there is, you ask? No, because you forget about the transgender, the genderqueer, the intersex and the androgynous. These are not their own sexes, but they don't fit in with men and women either. When I fell in love with a transgender person the first time, I realised that identifying as bisexual wasn't right. I'm not certain about this, but I'd like to think that what seperates bisexuality from pansexuality is that bisexuals like men and women while pansexuals like men, women and everything in between. ^^
I'm bisexual, which does not mean gender doesn't matter to me -- I just find both of them equally attractive, for different reasons.
I'm pro-gay rights, and I've partaken in the Norwegian gay pride parade (much more toned down than the American ones, I would think).
I believe discrimination because of a person's sexuality, gender and/or race is still a big issue that needs to be addressed.
I'm pro-gay rights, and I've partaken in the Norwegian gay pride parade (much more toned down than the American ones, I would think).
I believe discrimination because of a person's sexuality, gender and/or race is still a big issue that needs to be addressed.
I think whichever sexuality you choose or feel like you are born with is your own business, and generally role my eyes at people who use the term "gay" (like Rob in unforgotten realms tend to do).
I'm not quite settled on all gay rights, though. I have seen a big debate about whether or not lesbians should be allowed to use artificial insemination using sperm from anonymous donors. The problem here is that there is no way the kid can find his biological dad if he wants to, and I think that could lead to an identity crisis for some children. I still haven't decided which side to take in that debate, but I'm for gay people's right to adopt.
I'm not quite settled on all gay rights, though. I have seen a big debate about whether or not lesbians should be allowed to use artificial insemination using sperm from anonymous donors. The problem here is that there is no way the kid can find his biological dad if he wants to, and I think that could lead to an identity crisis for some children. I still haven't decided which side to take in that debate, but I'm for gay people's right to adopt.
I remember this one kid from junior high who everyone assumed to be gay but claimed the he was metro. He was the rudest, snootiest, douchebag ever spanwed. If you this person in a crowd, even without knowing him, you be inclined to punch him in the face until your hands broke. However, Iv'e recently met a girl who is outwardly bisexual and is one of the sweetes most kind-hearted people I know. I'm for gay rights, because there's no reson not to be. I don't care who you hump, just as long as you aren't whiny ***** the other 23 hours of the day.
Christians claim that gays shouldn't exist because the bible says so. For those of you non-Jesus people out there Leviticus is not so much a guide of how to live your life, as it is a guide for the ancient folks on how not to go extinct within the first 10 years of settling.
Christians claim that gays shouldn't exist because the bible says so. For those of you non-Jesus people out there Leviticus is not so much a guide of how to live your life, as it is a guide for the ancient folks on how not to go extinct within the first 10 years of settling.
I'm gay, so naturally I'm not against homos (how the fuck would that even work?)
But I do draw the line at the camp homos. They're alright people, there's nothing wrong with them, but when they flaunt that shit around by dressing in pink skin-tight hot pants and acting like more of a girl than any normal girl does, it gets a bit redundant for them to demand acceptance from people.
The whole 'proud to be gay' thing just flies in the face of what they want to achieve. Fine, your proud that you like a good hard dicking, but the very fact that they insist on throwing it so blatantly in everyday peoples' faces is exactly what makes people start to resent, stereotype and generally get pissy with them.
If every gay man just acted like themselves, we'd have no problem. But no, you get some who want to throw on the most outrageous outfits and parade around on giant pink floats in downpours of rainbow-coloured confetti. Then they wonder why they get stereotyped and occasionally frowned upon.
Your frowned upon because you act like the biggest bunch of douchebags to ever stalk the Earth! Not cause ur gay!
But I do draw the line at the camp homos. They're alright people, there's nothing wrong with them, but when they flaunt that shit around by dressing in pink skin-tight hot pants and acting like more of a girl than any normal girl does, it gets a bit redundant for them to demand acceptance from people.
The whole 'proud to be gay' thing just flies in the face of what they want to achieve. Fine, your proud that you like a good hard dicking, but the very fact that they insist on throwing it so blatantly in everyday peoples' faces is exactly what makes people start to resent, stereotype and generally get pissy with them.
If every gay man just acted like themselves, we'd have no problem. But no, you get some who want to throw on the most outrageous outfits and parade around on giant pink floats in downpours of rainbow-coloured confetti. Then they wonder why they get stereotyped and occasionally frowned upon.
Your frowned upon because you act like the biggest bunch of douchebags to ever stalk the Earth! Not cause ur gay!
I'm Asexual. No sexual attraction to either gender. However I decide to make romantic non-sexual relationships with other males.. so I identify with the term gay but not homosexual. The idea of sex with either gender is just.. disturbing to me. Experience confirms that.
I fully support the LGBT community, however it would be nice if they didn't put so much of an emphasis on the sexual aspects of the community. If they just focused on the relationship between two humans, they would get more acceptance. Heterosexuals don't find the idea of homosexual sex very pleasing, and the reverse is true. What happens in the bedroom is nobodies business. Just don't discriminate based apon relationship preference. I've faced discrimination even though I don't engage in the sexual behavior anymore that is seen as immoral by some members of society.
We should not discriminate against anyone. Gender preference has nothing to do with work performance or anything. It is merely who you want to partner with. It has zero outside effects on anyone outside of the relationship.
I fully support the LGBT community, however it would be nice if they didn't put so much of an emphasis on the sexual aspects of the community. If they just focused on the relationship between two humans, they would get more acceptance. Heterosexuals don't find the idea of homosexual sex very pleasing, and the reverse is true. What happens in the bedroom is nobodies business. Just don't discriminate based apon relationship preference. I've faced discrimination even though I don't engage in the sexual behavior anymore that is seen as immoral by some members of society.
We should not discriminate against anyone. Gender preference has nothing to do with work performance or anything. It is merely who you want to partner with. It has zero outside effects on anyone outside of the relationship.
We certainly weren't. I didn't use it intentionally, or to parallel your own. My bad. XDWardnath said:Not sure we're talking about the same spectrum here.Zachary Amaranth said:
But yeah, I agree with you for the most part.
*ubersigh*Cartman2nd said:
You, like OP (i forgot his username), forgot my point completely.
CD-I is a metaphor. *clout*
well, pedophiles and rapists usually get what they deserve in jail. even amongst criminals, they're the lowest of the low. lower than a cop! they're typically the first ones to be victimized behind bars because they have a weak mental state, and often commit their crimes out of primitive impulse, whereas most gang crime is to build upon a bigger need & protect themselves as much as possible (eg. drug dealers carrying weapons arrest for assault/murder: drugs are his product, weapons are to save himself so he can keep selling product, assault/murder occurred because someone got in the way of selling his product). basically, the mentality is this: "if there's a grown man fucking with your game, take care of that shit. but if you're fucking with kids, you're a sick freak".Dan Steele said:
as for the rest, i think it's more about marketing. homosexuality involves 2 consenting adults, so wanting to push to be regarded as equal makes sense, no matter if it makes people uncomfortable or not. though i think people who are necrophiliacs aren't exactly "proud" of their actions, and would rather not let people know.
one of my brother's female friends once had maggots growing in her. the doctors couldn't explain it (considering she was still alive and all) until she told them her boyfriend at the time worked at the morgue. it turns out her boyfriend was getting a little too friendly with the bodies there. basically the eggs went from his penis to her uterus and hatched inside her. needless to say, they broke up and everybody in her community found out about his little habit. he fled the town and never came back. so at least for some of these, um, "interesting" fetishes (many of which i've never heard of), it's more of a "deal with it at the time" thing.
"Flaunting", of course, means ever giving any indication at all you might be not acceptably straight.MetaMop said:
At some point, we'll stop coddling people who use logic-averse arguments like this and actually call them on it. "I'm all for not killing gays on sight but the simple idea of someone being attracted to someone of the same gender and, God forbid, using certain straights-only couple behaviors in public, IS LIKE SOOOOO ICKY!!!!!!", indeed.
It's why the whole gay marriage "debate" is such a joke. "Teach the controversy", as the intelligent-designists say.
maybe it's hard for me to relate since i'm a straight male, but i get the impression that you're taking some of these comments way too personally, but i'm going to make an attempt to relate to you, jamie.Jaime_Wolf said:
as far as "flaunting" homosexuality compared to "being proud of" it is very different. in my 2nd year of college my one roommate was gay. he'd announce it during the middle of a conversation with new people just to keep it flowing (he even declared himself "the token fag" on some occasions), but from there the conversation would go back to school, music, television, martial arts, plans for seeing friends in town, etc. i never went out of my way to brag about chicks i boned when i talked with him, and he never went out of his way to brag about his boyfriends and the fun times they had. yeah, we talked about relationships from time to time, but it was more interesting hearing his story than if he just went "i'm so proud to be gay because of ... " to me, that's someone who's comfortable in their skin no matter what the outside world thinks of him. that's being proud.
however, one night he invited a new boyfriend and his mother to our house for dinner. everything was great until after dinner. my roommate and his friend just randomly started making out in front of me and his boyfriend's mom as they slowly made their way back to his room, leaving me to house-sit his bf's mom while they went away to have sex. this is definitely what i would consider "flaunting", and above all, it's just rude. we had an argument about that later in the night, where i basically told him "how would you like it if i brought a girl over, fucked the shit out of her half the night, and left you to babysit her dad?"
now, to be fair, i was notorious for pulling similar stunts with women when i was a teenager. doorways, hallways, parties, concerts, public parks (okay, that was only once), i loved flaunting the fact that i had a woman with me because i was more used to being alone. but over time i learned that no-one really wants to see my naked ass, and more than anything, it made the women really uncomfortable being so exposed in public! even the simple act of kissing in public makes them uncomfortable unless it's just one little peck on the lips, anything more is too much. even seeing other straight couples kissing in public makes me uncomfortable. so, i dialed it back, and now i save the rest for behind closed doors. i was being just as rude then as my roommate was that night.
so the moral of the story is: flaunting is irritating, no matter who you're taking home.
now in terms of media and advertising, for the most part i agree with you, hands down. there's a lot of emphasis on heterosexual desire, especially in top 40 pop music (though katy perry sure took a shot at breaking it with "I Kissed a Girl") and almost every tv commercial known to the human race. though i agree the proportional emphasis is completely out of whack, i'm gonna take a stab at why that might be, and i'd be more than happy to hear your feedback on this:
-advertisers jump at the largest possible audience they can find. since they know (depending on the product) that their largest audience will either be a straight male or a straight female, they target the sex appeal towards those desires. as well, there's sort of a natural reaction straight people tend to have toward homosexual desires, which if made blatant enough are rather off-putting (i don't label this a choice as more of an impulse, like a scene that makes you jump in a scary movie--and no, i'm not trying to compare homosexuality to scary movies, i'm-- just-- digging myself a hole here, so i'll get back to the point). i think though, even within the hetero mind, there are still some semblances of homosexual desire. take body wash/lotion commercials, for instance: oil of olay, dove, hell, even old spice fits this example of a product aimed at a particular gender, promoted by a half-naked person of the same gender! the way the ads are structured too (old spice is a better example than the others) are clearly aimed toward straight people ("hello ladies how are you doing today fantastic i am the man that your man could smell like"), but whether this is an influence of sexual desire or to perpetuate the ego of that particular gender is anyone's guess.
-music is written by a number of diffent styles of people with a number of different sexual preferences (confirmed & rumored homosexuals: elton john, 4 non-blondes, trent reznor of nine inch nails, boy george, rick atsley, isis, the village people, some members of propaghandi, a lot of gangsta rappers are apparently closet homosexuals, that is if you believe youtube comments--i think i'm digging myself a hole again, back to the point ... ), but again, as far as advertising and distribution of said music, people will market what they think will get them the biggest possible audience. unless it's kept subtle enough that most people don't catch it right away (like "Lola" for instance, or almost every song from the 60s and 70s regarding drug use [i couldn't think of another song off the top of my head]), anything that might come across as too blatantly, for lack of a better term, "gay", it might not turn out so well. is it fair? no. is it true? from what i've seen, yes.
this video is billy squier. i've gotten into his music a bit more over the last year or so, but this video killed his career, and according to a lot of people, ruined a perfectly good song. i don't remember how to embed video, you'll have to copy & paste the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR0j7sModCI
I'm straight. Which is to say, I am overwhelmingly heterosexual. Although, as Kinsey showed, it's a little more complicated than that- sexuality is not a binary, but rather a scale upon which complete heterosexuality, true bisexuality and complete homosexuality are just points.
I do occasionally find guys attractive, I just find the idea of gay sex or analingus disgusting, so I've never pursued anything like that. In the words of Bill Hicks, I'm just a pussyholic.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't see any problem with relationships between consenting adults, whatever their gender. I do get a bit pissed off with any aggressive identity politics, but ultimately it's just a reaction by people who feel oppressed by small-minded homophobes and feel the need to assert their identity.
In my experience, the most militant gay people tend to be those who've just come out of the closet. They've been hiding their true identity for years (possibly decades) and have come to the point where they've just started accepting themselves.
My question is this:
Why do so many gay people act in such an intolerant way towards bisexuals?
I do occasionally find guys attractive, I just find the idea of gay sex or analingus disgusting, so I've never pursued anything like that. In the words of Bill Hicks, I'm just a pussyholic.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't see any problem with relationships between consenting adults, whatever their gender. I do get a bit pissed off with any aggressive identity politics, but ultimately it's just a reaction by people who feel oppressed by small-minded homophobes and feel the need to assert their identity.
In my experience, the most militant gay people tend to be those who've just come out of the closet. They've been hiding their true identity for years (possibly decades) and have come to the point where they've just started accepting themselves.
My question is this:
Why do so many gay people act in such an intolerant way towards bisexuals?
On the contrary, I like a little mild buttsexx in the morning, but the camping I can do without - especially from straight men, when it's just confusing. My point is that I can understand people's prejudice not against gays, but against 'typical' or 'common' 'gay behaviours.'UncertaintyPrinciple said:
Note extreme inverted comma use.